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Oh Teddy Teddy · May 11, 2023

daveduvet said:
Think it’s very lazy consultation from Levy & the board if they’re considering Mason….we need an external manager & Dof. Way too much at stake to gamble, currently.

Surely it’s a gamble whoever rocks up?

I like the idea of Nagelsmann, for example, but he’s worked solely in one league his entire managerial career. It’s by no means a sure fire bet — I’m not sure they even exist after Mourinho and Conte (for Spurs)

Trix · May 11, 2023

KingNick said:
If Levy gets abuse in the stadium now, it is nothing compared to what it would be like if he appointed Mason.

What player of note would want to come and sign for us then.

I doubt even Harry Kane wants Mason to get the job. He wants to work at the elite level and that means an elite manager with elite pulling power.

I think you'd be surprised.

easley91 · May 11, 2023

Oh Teddy Teddy said:
Surely it’s a gamble whoever rocks up?

I like the idea of Nagelsmann, for example, but he’s worked solely in one league his entire managerial career. It’s by no means a sure fire bet — I’m not sure they even exist after Mourinho and Conte (for Spurs)

Every single hire, no matter player, manager or DOF, is sure to be a success. Every single person who comes in will be a risk. They may start well then faulter. They may start poorly and pick up over time. The one thing we need to be as a fanbase is patient (to some degree) and not write whoever it is off or dismiss them because of X,Y and Z.

Jamturk · May 11, 2023

If all the players are on board with Ryan Mason he should get the job in my opinion.

Our best player in generations came from within why not our best manager.

RJR1949 · May 11, 2023

Trix said:
I think you'd be surprised.

Intriguing

eViL · May 11, 2023

olithfc said:
Another week has gone by with nothing...

It's incredibly slow!

I called Daniel.

He says hold your fucking horses; it isn't even the last week of pre-season yet.

ntmac82 · May 11, 2023

Jamturk said:
If all the players are on board with Ryan Mason he should get the job in my opinion.

Our best player in generations came from within why not our best manager.

The players are what got us into this position. They have failed under 2 serial winners. Whether they are on board or not shouldn't matter. The best person for the job should get it.

Hoopspur · May 11, 2023

easley91 said:
Every single hire, no matter player, manager or DOF, is sure to be a success. Every single person who comes in will be a risk. They may start well then faulter. They may start poorly and pick up over time. The one thing we need to be as a fanbase is patient (to some degree) and not write whoever it is off or dismiss them because of X,Y and Z.

And pigs might fly.

As it happens I agree with you but a large proportion will not. That mob down the road have probably only been slightly more patient because of circumstance - the FA Cup success, COVID and the signs of their own painful (speedy) rebuild. But they also had signs of a good crop of young players coming through their set up.

KingNick · May 11, 2023

Trix said:
I think you'd be surprised.

Yes I would. Would definitely not understand an elite level player risking even one year of their career with someone with so little experience and such limited frame of reference as to how to solve the many challenges that would arise.

ShayLaB · May 11, 2023

The last four non-Mason appointments have been very messy.

Assuming it's non JN or AS or someone we (meaning club, players and fans) really want, the convenient decision has an awful lot going for it.

Trix · May 11, 2023

KingNick said:
Yes I would. Would definitely not understand an elite level player risking even one year of their career with someone with so little experience and such limited frame of reference as to how to solve the many challenges that would arise.

Lets not confuse experience with ability. There is a reason Nagelsmann is most fans first choice , and if he hadn't have been brilliant at a very early age where he was also extremely inexperienced he wouldn't be topping our list today at 35 years of age.

robotsonic · May 11, 2023

KingNick said:
Yes I would. Would definitely not understand an elite level player risking even one year of their career with someone with so little experience and such limited frame of reference as to how to solve the many challenges that would arise.

I'm sure that managers can give some kind of a pull to some kinds of players, but at the end of the day football is so fickle these days I think that it's pretty broadly understood that managers come and go like a merry-go-round. If you're signing for a club because you like the manager, unless the bloke has been there for 5+ years, then you're pretty silly to have hung your career decisions on it.

kd2000 · May 11, 2023

NickHSpurs said:
If there's any issues with getting Naglesmann or Slot, perhaps we should be looking at getting a slightly older head like Ange with Mason as his number two?

Unless anyone thinks Naglesmann or Slot would accept Mason as their number two?

I know it's a bit forward thinking for Spurs but Mason could learn so much as an Assistant Manager (hate to say it but like Arteta did) and then potentially be ready to step up the next time the job comes up and I would imagine keep him happy with some clear career progression and a step on the path to taking over in the near future.

I just dont see the appeal of Ange. He has done ok but even Neil Lennon has won the Scottish Premiership so it is no barometer for success really.

JamieSpursCommunityUser · May 11, 2023

ShayLaB said:
The last four non-Mason appointments have been very messy.

Assuming it's non JN or AS or someone we (meaning club, players and fans) really want, the convenient decision has an awful lot going for it.

The last 86 non Alan Titchmarsh appointments haven't worked either, so it's time to pay Gardner's World whatever it takes and get him in.

Guernman · May 11, 2023

I think Mason is an intelligent and eloquent individual with a bright managerial future. I think he would do much better here than many people think. But I REALLY hope he doesn't get the job.

That's nothing against him, but we desperately need a manager who will be be putting Levy on the back foot, someone who will challenge his authority and tendency to interfere with the footballing side of things.

Conte was ideal at this. Perhaps he took it too far with his obvious view that he was doing us a favour to be our manager, but I actually think this was useful. Levy has never been under more pressure to back a manager than he was with Conte, and in many ways he did more than he normally would. But he still didn't do enough and now he is under more scrutiny than he has ever been before. This isn't a coincidence - Conte, particularly following Mourinho, has shown the world that this club is being run badly and the spotlight is now, and for the first time, really on Levy.

No manager would be less of a challenge to Levy than Mason would at this moment in his career. This would be the complete opposite dynamic to the Conte appointment, where the club would so obviously be doing Mason the favour, backing one of our own before he is really ready for this profile of job, and it would put Levy firmly back in the comfort of complete authority. That's the last thing I want to see.

It's not that Mason would be a yes man, or wouldn't want to implement his own ideas, it's just that he wouldn't have any substantial ground on which to stand. We need a manager with real clout, who really doesn't need us, but who would be willing to buy into the project. Nagelsman is my preferred option not because I particularly like him or think that he is a much better manager or tactician than some of the other candidates, but just because right now he has the best balance of reputation, experience and clout to work with Levy but still very much challenge him to step up and back him properly.

danielneeds · May 11, 2023

guernman said:
I think Mason is an intelligent and eloquent individual with a bright managerial future. I think he would do much better here than many people think. But I REALLY hope he doesn't get the job.

That's nothing against him, but we desperately need a manager who will be be putting Levy on the back foot, someone who will challenge his authority and tendency to interfere with the footballing side of things.

Conte was ideal at this. Perhaps he took it too far with his obvious view that he was doing us a favour to be our manager, but I actually think this was useful. Levy has never been under more pressure to back a manager than he was with Conte, and in many ways he did more than he normally would. But he still didn't do enough and now he is under more scrutiny than he has ever been before. This isn't a coincidence - Conte, particularly following Mourinho, has shown the world that this club is being run badly and the spotlight is now, and for the first time, really on Levy.

No manager would be less of a challenge to Levy than Mason would at this moment in his career. This would be the complete opposite dynamic to the Conte appointment, where the club would so obviously be doing Mason the favour, backing one of our own before he is really ready for this profile of job, and it would put Levy firmly back in the comfort of complete authority. That's the last thing I want to see.

It's not that Mason would be a yes man, or wouldn't want to implement his own ideas, it's just that he wouldn't have any substantial ground on which to stand. We need a manager with real clout, who really doesn't need us, but who would be willing to buy into the project. Nagelsman is my preferred option not because I particularly like him or think that he is a much better manager or tactician than some of the other candidates, but just because right now he has the best balance of reputation, experience and clout to work with Levy but still very much challenge him to step up and back him properly.

Fundamentally disagree. The best managers here built a rapport with Levy, and worked with him rather than trying to poke him all the time. If we get another confrontational manager like Conte it will just be the same result.

That’s why Kompany would have been interesting to me before he signed his contract. He’s the type of person I could see Levy being quite starstruck around and he could have used that to get in his ear and and in his head.

Albertbarich · May 11, 2023

danielneeds said:
Fundamentally disagree. The best managers here built a rapport with Levy, and worked with him rather than trying to poke him all the time. If we get another confrontational manager like Conte it will just be the same result.

That’s why Kompany would have been interesting to me before he signed his contract. He’s the type of person I could see Levy being quite starstruck around and he could have used that to get in his ear and and in his head.

I absolutely agree about Kompany, he is a leader in every sense of the word. I think he would have been great.

Leroy · May 11, 2023

We have deeper problems as a club besides the manager. Can anyone of you Mason In guys see him changing the culture at this club? We need a reset not a continuation of the same. Remember Mason has been here since Mourinho 3/4 years

easley91 · May 11, 2023

Leroy said:
We have deeper problems as a club besides the manager. Can anyone of you Mason In guys see him changing the culture at this club? We need a reset not a continuation of the same. Remember Mason has been here since Mourinho 3/4 years

Technically he has been a part of the club for 20 years in some aspect whether that is a player or as a coach (his spell at Hull before the injury aside). He will understand this club better than most out there. He came through the academy alongside Kane and they both know what this club should be about. Noboy has to tell him what Tottenham Hotspur fans expect from the team in terms of style, because he knows what we want.

He needs to go and get experience sure, but he knows what this club's culture should be.

archiewasking · May 11, 2023

Nerine said:
Love it when people start a post with “it’s like I said a while back” or similar.

Like we remember or read it back then…

I'll remind you of this in 5 years

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