Next Manager Watch

Bluto Blutarsky · May 4, 2023

KirstyG said:
Levy just can't help himself. Every glimmer of light is expunged by Levy and the board's dithering.

"To dither is to do!"

Drink!Drink! · May 4, 2023

Trix said:
Regardless of whether we see a standout or not it's been 4 months in the making. All last week I was hearing down to two. Then this morning there are reservations and not willing to meet certain terms etc etc and we are back to chucking names around the boardroom again. Post Jose was an utter mess legitimately an absolute shitshow. Managers turning us down, us turning our noses up at managers who we then went back to speak to weeks later, then came the Gattusso, Fonseca, Nuno catastrophe.

Now you can blame Fabio all you like but only Gattusso is on him. The mess that preceded that was all Levy and the board, and fuck me was it a mess to sort out. Fabio is gone now and we are looking we are going round the track again only this time it's at a much slower pace.

The exact words from my man this morning were "Nagelsmann was doable. He was keen, but Levy was unsure about what was required in the deal and didn't want to commit".

Makes me wonder if Levy treats hiring a manager in the same way as signing a player - I mean, he has the same shoot-yourself-in-the-foot pathological need to feel he has "won" the deal. So, makes last minute changes to contracts that make him feel he is the winner of the negotiation.

RogerTCB · May 4, 2023

Mr Pink said:
Does anyone really think Levy will change? Lol.

He won't.

The same problems will creep up again and again.

How many times do you need to watch the same movie....

I completely agree that Levy won't change. Nor will he go anywhere - he's too financially intertwined with the ownership of the club. And, as the old saying goes, only an idiot does the same thing over and over and hopes to get different results, so we can't hope he's going to miraculously improve how he does things.

What I'm holding out hope for is that Levy has spotted he's part of the problem and is looking to remove himself from the process. Munn's appointment is in it's infancy and we lost our DOF, so Levy has a reason to still be meddling. Once Munn has been here a little while and we have the next DOF, I'll be hoping that we finally see Levy back off. Then we might see changes. Otherwise, it really will be the same, over and over...

The structural change (if it happens) just hasn't happened in time for this managerial appointment and that's a real shame.

My other thoughts about Mourinho and Conte's appointments are that Levy may have been looking to show the world what a big club we are, and what better way than to have the biggest names wanting to manage Spurs? That was the only logic for me. It wasn't footballing sense which put Mourinho there. Conte was a roll of the dice and it failed. But they were A-list. Hopefully there aren't many managers who would now think it is a big step down to manage here (just a challenge!).

Trix · May 4, 2023

KirstyG said:
Levy just can't help himself. Every glimmer of light is expunged by Levy and the board's dithering.

I just think he doesn't want to accept he's been getting it wrong, and any half decent prospective coach with ambition will be pointing this out in spades to him before taking the job. He's got this utopian view of how football should work financially, and maybe he's right. It might very well be that things should be as he dreams it should. The problem is everyone else working in football accepts it is what it is, and gets on with it so nothing lines up.

THE SPURSBOY · May 4, 2023

Trix said:
Oh and just to top it off I wouldn't rule Mason out as full time boss. I can't see another top manager wanting to have to reintegrate the cast off's and the need to sell before we buy bullshit. Also all those that have been shouting about how much we've spent over the last few years including the likes of Kulu and Porro, don't be surprised now if all those that we've signed but not yet completed on, are taken out of any upcoming budget.

If Mason is the manager with all the other options available I'm done, wont go again and fully expect to be in a battle to finish at best 10th if having to reintegrate all loanees winks etc

C-oops · May 4, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
I've tried to tell people this - only to be met with derision.

Porro and Kulusevski are not yet on the books, and their costs will be added to the transfer budget this summer - before we add a single new player.

I'm sure we will just do loan to buy again then. Delaying payments by a year for ever.

wiggo24 · May 4, 2023

Trix said:
Regardless of whether we see a standout or not it's been 4 months in the making. All last week I was hearing down to two. Then this morning there are reservations and not willing to meet certain terms etc etc and we are back to chucking names around the boardroom again. Post Jose was an utter mess legitimately an absolute shitshow. Managers turning us down, us turning our noses up at managers who we then went back to speak to weeks later, then came the Gattusso, Fonseca, Nuno catastrophe.

Now you can blame Fabio all you like but only Gattusso is on him. The mess that preceded that was all Levy and the board, and fuck me was it a mess to sort out. Fabio is gone now and we are looking we are going round the track again only this time it's at a much slower pace.

The exact words from my man this morning were "Nagelsmann was doable. He was keen, but Levy was unsure about what was required in the deal and didn't want to commit".

That last part is just disgraceful.

Am so bored of this club. What's the point?

Yantino · May 4, 2023

I'm not opposed to putting Mason in place permanently. I think the club need some stability and the players might be better placed to work with people they arleady know and not another voice telling them something different. Like i said a moment ago, i think the structure around whoever the next head coach is, is more important at the moment anyway.

Mason has clearly learnt a lot since the last time he had to take over and i think the players look much more comfortable.

My only concern is the reaction of the fans to Mason when we go through do go through a poor spell. He won't get any time.

nferno · May 4, 2023

Trix said:
The exact words from my man this morning were "Nagelsmann was doable. He was keen, but Levy was unsure about what was required in the deal and didn't want to commit".

FFS. This is why we call him a bald ****, not a bold ****.

Bluto Blutarsky · May 4, 2023

Trix said:
I just think he doesn't want to accept he's been getting it wrong, and any half decent prospective coach with ambition will be pointing this out in spades to him before taking the job. He's got this utopian view of how football should work financially, and maybe he's right. It might very well be that things should be as he dreams it should. The problem is everyone else working in football accepts it is what it is, and gets on with it so nothing lines up.

There was a. time, years ago, that I think Levy thought that he, alone, could stop player wages and transfer fees (and agent fees) from escalating - and the only thing that happened was Spurs missing out on players who went elsewhere, and wages and fees continued to rise.

Cochise · May 4, 2023

So any coach worth their badges is asking for the club to do their bit and Levy won't guarantee it.

Darth Vega · May 4, 2023

I know ITK is to be taken with a pinch of salt but we've been here before, the burden of proof is on Levy to prove us wrong. I might check out of the club as much as I can for a few years, we are doomed with him in charge. It's like an upmarket Mike Ashley at treble the cost.

Tonio · May 4, 2023

Yantino said:
I'm not opposed to putting Mason in place permanently. I think the club need some stability and the players might be better placed to work with people they arleady know and not another voice telling them something different. Like i said a moment ago, i think the structure around whoever the next head coach is, is more important at the moment anyway.

Mason has clearly learnt a lot since the last time he had to take over and i think the players look much more comfortable.

My only concern is the reaction of the fans to Mason when we go through do go through a poor spell. He won't get any time.

And If Kane happens to have a drop in form for example would Mason drop his mate to the bench? No way imo. We need a manager who is ruthless in his thinking. Mason as full time manager would be a disaster.

Ron Burgundy · May 4, 2023

Trix said:
Regardless of whether we see a standout or not it's been 4 months in the making. All last week I was hearing down to two. Then this morning there are reservations and not willing to meet certain terms etc etc and we are back to chucking names around the boardroom again. Post Jose was an utter mess legitimately an absolute shitshow. Managers turning us down, us turning our noses up at managers who we then went back to speak to weeks later, then came the Gattusso, Fonseca, Nuno catastrophe.

Now you can blame Fabio all you like but only Gattusso is on him. The mess that preceded that was all Levy and the board, and fuck me was it a mess to sort out. Fabio is gone now and we are looking we are going round the track again only this time it's at a much slower pace.

The exact words from my man this morning were "Nagelsmann was doable. He was keen, but Levy was unsure about what was required in the deal and didn't want to commit".

Well then we're f*cked - if the guy making the decisions can't see there's an issue, then we're genuinely f*cked. What a shame.

Levy should go - time to step up the pressure. If the Board won't do it (and they won't) then the fans should

Trix · May 4, 2023

Yantino said:
I'm not opposed to putting Mason in place permanently. I think the club need some stability and the players might be better placed to work with people they arleady know and not another voice telling them something different. Like i said a moment ago, i think the structure around whoever the next head coach is, is more important at the moment anyway.

Mason has clearly learnt a lot since the last time he had to take over and i think the players look much more comfortable.

My only concern is the reaction of the fans to Mason when we go through do go through a poor spell. He won't get any time.

The problem with this is we might as well just accept mediocrity if we go down this road. We aren't built like Brighton and Brentford recruitment wise and our academy at the upper end isn't good enough to role out many potential superstars. I'm not for one minute suggesting he'd be Levy's puppet, but he'd almost certainly have to toe the company line more than an outside coach would. I feel he'd be a head coach and nothing more. I doubt he'd get much say one who came or left, and I can't see any of our better players wanting to stick around for long.

THE SPURSBOY · May 4, 2023

Yantino said:
I'm not opposed to putting Mason in place permanently. I think the club need some stability and the players might be better placed to work with people they arleady know and not another voice telling them something different. Like i said a moment ago, i think the structure around whoever the next head coach is, is more important at the moment anyway.

Mason has clearly learnt a lot since the last time he had to take over and i think the players look much more comfortable.

My only concern is the reaction of the fans to Mason when we go through do go through a poor spell. He won't get any time.

what has Mason done that people think he can manage in the prem on his own, last 3 games 5-0, 2-0 and 3-0 down where are his tactics to not go out and get battered and have no choice but to try and score the next goal and go all out attack ffs just cause he "is spurs" has come through the academy and done coaching badges etc so did lampard doesn't mean they can coach on their own ffs

dSSAbr · May 4, 2023

I am so pessimistic that any appointment will not change my view of the future of this club, but it is a slap in the face to those who believe, that Mason has any credentials to take over the club at this time, imo he has done nothing to deserve the job. Even for an interim he doesn't stand out (I don't expect the team to play well), but often an interim gives a certain energy to the squad and gets some results, and even that he doesn't have going for him over two short periods in charge.

dirtyh · May 4, 2023

Russ1201 said:
More likely TP and NW

more like FK and WTFIT (y)

THE SPURSBOY · May 4, 2023

Trix said:
The problem with this is we might as well just accept mediocrity if we go down this road. We aren't built like Brighton and Brentford recruitment wise and our academy at the upper end isn't good enough to role out many potential superstars. I'm not for one minute suggesting he'd be Levy's puppet, but he'd almost certainly have to toe the company line more than an outside coach would. I feel he'd be a head coach and nothing more. I doubt he'd get much say one who came or left, and I can't see any of our better players wanting to stick around for long.

exactly this, Bentancur is out, levy to Mason "dont worry winks is coming back" wink wink

danielneeds · May 4, 2023

I think we should all get ready to just enjoy our summers with our families, safe in the knowledge that nothing is gonna change at the club and all this doesn't really matter.

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