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isaac94

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John O'Shea had 256 appearances for Utd.
That's just the first example that jumped to mind of a player who was mediocre and got plenty of appearances.

So no, I don't.

Edit. Chris Perry had 363 premier league appearances FFS.
o shea was double the player of dier
 

robhumphreys

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You look at what most pundits say about Sunday and most are saying that the main culprit of the defensive shambles was Romero. Dier has not been good in the last half of this season but Romero has been equally bad but for some reason gets a free pass.
 

midoshairband

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For me - he’s absolutely one of the players I’d keep around.

You need some stability, some leadership from older players.

Should he be first choice? Well hopefully we sign somebody better, but in the current squad - 100% he’s a starter.

you mention leadership, but he never shows any.

for me he symbols the comfortable mediocrity flowing through the squad. not good enough if we want to be challenging.
 

whenstevewentup

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You only have to look at them ‘down the road ‘ to see the drop down in performances when u bring in Rob holding ( dier level defender ) as a replacement for Saliba . You can’t win anything with Dier cos his big game mentality is to sh!t his pants .
 

Yantino

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For me - he’s absolutely one of the players I’d keep around.

You need some stability, some leadership from older players.

Should he be first choice? Well hopefully we sign somebody better, but in the current squad - 100% he’s a starter.

I also wouldn't sell him. But i also don't want him starting games for us as he just simply isn't good enough if we want to progress.

He's a great squad option.
 

Nebby

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You look at what most pundits say about Sunday and most are saying that the main culprit of the defensive shambles was Romero. Dier has not been good in the last half of this season but Romero has been equally bad but for some reason gets a free pass.
Romero gets a pass coz he's well hard, and all the cool kids on here love that. As for Sunday, I was more concerned with the freedom we gave Newcastle in midfield. They were placing balls in behind our back line whenever they felt like it, and nobody was anywhere near them. The entire setup was a disaster, and that was on Stellini.
 

coy-spurs1882

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I also wouldn't sell him. But i also don't want him starting games for us as he just simply isn't good enough if we want to progress.

He's a great squad option.
why do you want him in the squad if you don't want him to start? that's why we always get knocked out in FA cup/league cup as we use a bunch of "squad options" which are no where good enough to compete for trophies
 

McFlash

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why do you want him in the squad if you don't want him to start? that's why we always get knocked out in FA cup/league cup as we use a bunch of "squad options" which are no where good enough to compete for trophies
Probably because our squad needs a massive overhaul as it's been left to stagnate for so long, Dier is the best of a bad bunch.
We can't replace them all at once.
 

alfie103

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Romero gets a pass coz he's well hard, and all the cool kids on here love that. As for Sunday, I was more concerned with the freedom we gave Newcastle in midfield. They were placing balls in behind our back line whenever they felt like it, and nobody was anywhere near them. The entire setup was a disaster, and that was on Stellini.

I am not enamoured with Romero either but he has shown better quality than Dier. Regarding the setup, I don't care if the players didn't have a manager at all. They all should know how to not to concede 5 goals within 22 minutes. Stellini wasn't managing the under-9's team.
 

Yantino

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why do you want him in the squad if you don't want him to start? that's why we always get knocked out in FA cup/league cup as we use a bunch of "squad options" which are no where good enough to compete for trophies

I don't think that's being very realistic. We are not Man City. You cannot expect to have 22 world class players in every position.

Eric Dier is a good central defender. Should he be starting every game? no. Should he and can he contribute to a successful season and team? yes, most definitely.
 
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Gilzeanking

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I don't think you're being very realistic. We are not Man City. You cannot expect to have 22 world class players in every position.

Eric Dier is a good central defender. Should he be starting every game? no. Should he and can he contribute to a successful season and team? yes, most definitely.
This is a thing I find frustrating about Spurs of late. Our hierarchy of players.Eg Dier Lloris Sonny Kulu PEH. These guys are nailed on starters whatever they do. We do starting every game as a norm for so many.

I reckon its inflated player power. Management are simply too scared to look Lloris for example in the eye and say, 'Not today Hugo, we're giving Forster a run out'. This is an impossibility at Spurs it appears.

I don't think its healthy for the players at the top of the hierarchy and it certainly isn't for the fringe players not so priviledged in this player hierarchy ....and I can't see Mason with the balls to drop/substitute any of our 'top' guys.

Surprise me Ryan.
 

ultimateloner

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This is a thing I find frustrating about Spurs of late. Our hierarchy of players.Eg Dier Lloris Sonny Kulu PEH. These guys are nailed on starters whatever they do. We do starting every game as a norm for so many.

I reckon its inflated player power. Management are simply too scared to look Lloris for example in the eye and say, 'Not today Hugo, we're giving Forster a run out'. This is an impossibility at Spurs it appears.

I don't think its healthy for the players at the top of the hierarchy and it certainly isn't for the fringe players not so priviledged in this player hierarchy ....and I can't see Mason with the balls to drop/substitute any of our 'top' guys.

Surprise me Ryan.
Because they are the best players in their respective positions.
If someone can score goals then by all means take Son out. But we have no such option. Richy doesn't score goals and is having a bad season anyway.
If Forster is better than Hugo then please play him; he isn't.
You can't try new things for the sake of trying. Newc thrashing shows that.
 

muppetman

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No doubt we need an upgrade, just don’t think he’s remotely first out of the door.
Modern football, players (can also substitute teams and managers) are either world class or shambolic - nothing in between.

As for Eric, I think he's a decent player and it's difficult to know if he is the victim of our overrun 2 man midfield or one of the main culprits of us looking vulnerable at the back.
 

muppetman

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This is a thing I find frustrating about Spurs of late. Our hierarchy of players.Eg Dier Lloris Sonny Kulu PEH. These guys are nailed on starters whatever they do. We do starting every game as a norm for so many.

I reckon its inflated player power. Management are simply too scared to look Lloris for example in the eye and say, 'Not today Hugo, we're giving Forster a run out'. This is an impossibility at Spurs it appears.

I don't think its healthy for the players at the top of the hierarchy and it certainly isn't for the fringe players not so priviledged in this player hierarchy ....and I can't see Mason with the balls to drop/substitute any of our 'top' guys.

Surprise me Ryan.
You think Jose and Conte didn't have the balls to drop Eric Dier?
 

coy-spurs1882

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I don't think that's being very realistic. We are not Man City. You cannot expect to have 22 world class players in every position.

Eric Dier is a good central defender. Should he be starting every game? no. Should he and can he contribute to a successful season and team? yes, most definitely.
sure we are not Citeh with infinite money to spend but we do not need a world class XI to beat lower league teams in FA cup/league cup do we?
 

cliff jones

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No doubt we need an upgrade, just don’t think he’s remotely first out of the door.
possibly off topic, but who for example from the St James’ debacle should be?

Him and Lloris have clearly run their races at the club.
 

archiewasking

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sure we are not Citeh with infinite money to spend but we do not need a world class XI to beat lower league teams in FA cup/league cup do we?
We don't. But it comes back again, sadly, to the players mentality, attitude and application. Any fixture can bite you on the bum if those aren't right.
 
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