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McFlash

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Bluto Blutarsky said:
I see this a lot - Potter had a tough go because Chelsea brought in too many players.

Chelsea did bring in 10 1st team players since last summer.

Spurs brought in 9 (Forster, Spence, Porro, Lenglet, Bissouma, Sarr, Richarlison, Perisic, Danjuma)

Only one team is mired in the bottom half of the table… it’s not the reason Potter struggled at a top team.
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5 of our new signings are squad fillers and it could also be argued that Lenglet and Richy are rotation options too, so hardly "first teamers".
Chelsea, however have spent an absolute fortune on players who will pretty much all want to be starting.

I get the point you are trying to make but it's not really a correct comparison.

I don't think it can be argued that Potter didn't have one hell of a job on his hands, trying to keep a bloated squad of big names happy and settled.

Yes, his time at Chelsea can be labelled as a failure but the deck was stacked against him from the off and coupled with his limited experience with 'big name players', he was on a hiding to nothing.

I think we probably need to wait for his next job to decide on how good he really is.
 
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Looks like Nagelsmann will be going to Chelsea. Just a matter of now or the summer. They're still in the UCL so I can see him being motivated to try prove Bayern wrong and take over this week.
 
Colonel_Klinck

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I just can't face trawling through 30 pages since last night. What are the highlights? Are we still screwed and rudderless?
 
the yid

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Personally think De Zerbi needs a summer and full season at Brighton before being consider for a bigger job. Anyone we go for is a risk I don't know much about Slot but he's been in his job a couple years and doing very well. I'm still on the Amorim train myself, I've really enjoyed watching them play this season and gets his teams playing very well.
 
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McFlash said:
5 of our new signings are squad fillers and it could also be argued that Lenglet and Richy are rotation options too, so hardly "first teamers".
Chelsea, however have spent an absolute fortune on players who will pretty much all want to be starting.

I get the point you are trying to make but it's not really a correct comparison.

I don't think it can be argued that Potter didn't have one hell of a job on his hands, trying to keep a bloated squad of big names happy and settled.

Yes, his time at Chelsea can be labelled as a failure but the deck was stacked against him from the off and coupled with his limited experience with 'big name players', he was on a hiding to nothing.

I think we probably need to wait for his next job to decide on how good he really is.
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Bissouma is no more a squad filler than madueke tbf, it’s probably somewhere in the middle, chelsea have too many cb’s for all of their new ones to be first choice.
 
wrd

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Bluto Blutarsky said:
I see this a lot - Potter had a tough go because Chelsea brought in too many players.

Chelsea did bring in 10 1st team players since last summer.

Spurs brought in 9 (Forster, Spence, Porro, Lenglet, Bissouma, Sarr, Richarlison, Perisic, Danjuma)

Only one team is mired in the bottom half of the table… it’s not the reason Potter struggled at a top team.
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They didn't sign 10 players, they signed 14.

Fernandez
Fofana
Mudryk
Cucurella
Sterling
Basiashile
Koulibaly
Madueke
Gusto
Chukwumeka
Aubameyang
Fofana the striker
Zakaria
Felix


They had an ageing squad and lost their best defender and others defenders, off of the back of having the Roman situation, a new owner come in with a new infrastructure who decided to back the old manager with a rebuild with signings like Sterling and Aubameyang, only to sack him a few weeks in. They then bring in a manager and sign 7 players in January which is madness.

So he's having to essentially wield together 3 iterations of a team in a few months, 7 of those players joined mid-season. Where as ours had a pre-season except two of them. Most of ours also joined early on in the window. Our signings also joined playing under a manager who had his system and was adding players to that system, compared to the free for all that is Chelsea. A much easier circumstance, a similar reason as to why Arsenal fans writing off Mudryk in comparison to Trossard is ignoring that Trossard is coming into a settled and established team and structure. To just go, they signed X amount, we signed X amount completely ignores any context. That doesn't even go into the big differences between the implementation of the players we added compared to Chelsea, we only properly integrated Perisic and Lenglet with the odd bit of Richarlison. Our team was for the most part the same as last season. It's not mental gymnastics, it's really clear that they're completely different contexts.
 
mil1lion

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Trix said:
Lets have it straight here.

According to SC we need........

A modern manager who is young enthusiastic and yet also vastly experienced with all situations and leagues.

A front foot manager who plays exciting free flowing forward playing football, yet also someone who is defensively sound and tactically astute.

Someone who will work with whatever players he has and make them better, yet will keep Levy on his toes to bring in top quality players.

A manager who will make a team better than the sum of it's parts, but has the ability to manage the superstar players and agents.

Have I got that right?
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Needs nice teeth too
 
chrisd2k

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parklane yid said:
Kompany: going to be a good manager, but I couldn’t stand the constant links with him taking Man City job.

Carrick: far too early in his career.

Potter: good manager and person. Exactly the type of manager I would want at spurs. Also would play wing backs which we have plenty of. The ex chelsea would annoy to many tho.

Rodgers: good manager and I actually believe he would be great at spurs. Good style of football. Unfortunately he isn’t very likeable.

Slot: my number one choice, like that he is quite unknown, attacking football with new ideas. Also shows we are thinking outside he box. Type of manager Brighton would appoint and then we all wish we had appointed him.

Poch: my heart says poch, instantly brings feel good factor back to club.

Nagelsmann: majority of fans would be excited and behind this appointment. However I think he would bring unrealistic expectations from fans and media. I honestly think we need to calm expectations down and build foundations.

Enrique: he would think he is above us! Already suggested so in comments to press. Style of play is possession based but boring.

De zerbi: love his football. High risk football but great to the eye. Seems a passionate and Likeable man.

in conclusion I would like Slot the most as he is fresh with new ideas. No narrative with him yet.
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In conclusion you forgot Gallardo 😉
 
DFF

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The double standards over Potter and De Zerbi is quite comical. De Zerbi’s in the exact same ranking Potter was before he went to Chelsea IMO, and it’s probably a lot to do with Brighton themselves in both their cases. If he was Des Herbie from Stoke he wouldn’t be getting half the mentions he’s getting.
 
HoltbiusMac

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ntmac82 said:
You have to look at the opposition
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Yeah I agree when considering him. But his defensive record is still really good and not like AZ and Feyenoord are the dominant forces in that league. I’m not even a Slothead I just think that it’s his ability to coach attack I’d be more worried about than defensively.
 
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Bluto Blutarsky said:
Potter has had 7 months to work with all the players and sort out who he thinks is his best XI.

He is still losing to the likes of Aston Villa at home.

Surely you can see its not an issue of player turnover, can't you?
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27 attempts on goal. Yeah it's tactics.
 
Yid-ol

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Bluto Blutarsky said:
Potter has had 7 months to work with all the players and sort out who he thinks is his best XI.

He is still losing to the likes of Aston Villa at home.

Surely you can see its not an issue of player turnover, can't you?
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If Chelsea had a couple of decent forwards, they would be winning a lot more games! There is no one in that squad I can look at and say they will be a goal threat consistently.
 
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TEESSIDE1 said:
A few years ago Ajax were a force to be reckoned with but these days they’ve lost their best players. They’re a shadow of their former selves. PSV are average and although Feyenoord look like becoming champions when you look at the calibre of players they’ve have may be 1 or 2 who look decent… as an example they play Jahanbakhsh as a wide forward. Whilst at Brighton he scored a stunning 2 goals in 52 games. I’m not playing down Slot’s achievements but the standard in the Dutch league or the quality of players isn’t what it once was. People will say they turned over Shakhtar Donetsk 7-1, they did but look at the state of their squad and circumstances (war), they’re nowhere near as good as they once were.
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Great Post. Everyone wants the shiny new toy thinking it maybe another ETH
 
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Teddy Klinsmann said:
Remember Gross won 2 titles in Switzerland before coming to us. I have similar concerns with a manager coming out of Holland in a 2/3 team league. Pretty much an unknown.
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This would be Feyenoord's second league title since 1999. If the Eredivisie is a 2-team league, Feyenoord aren't one of those teams.

Slot took over Feyenoord after they'd just finished 5th - his achievements with them are significantly above expectations.
 
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