Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

easley91 · Mar 14, 2023

Cel said:
You make it sound like you are in a moral majority or something lol. Could flip that though, and say

'Every day it's the same folk arguing, it's the people that blatantly back Conte regardless and won't admit to his faults. We get it. You like him and you want him to stay. Top 4 would meet my minimum expectations start of the year, and granted, he's meeting them but he has managed to knock us out of every chance of winning a trophy and the his equating of 'top 4 being like a trophy, a miracle' is laughing stock material to our rivals, who have actually won multiple things in recent history.'

It's all opinions. I don't understand the almost cult status for someone who's been here less than 2 years, and is refusing (and fair play to him, he should do what's best for him, no hard feelings there) to extend, but each to their own.

I'm happy with the league position, but as time goes on, I'm finding the pressers grating, and the way we play just flat, tepid. I've been frustrated, angry, disappointed, and devastated at points by this club, but for the first time in 30+ years I'm literally bored of watching us - in the bloody Champions league no less! I look back at previous nights and realise that it's actually dull as dishwater in comparison, and I'm up for a change.

I have admitted his faults if you read my posts. He either doesn't make subs or makes them too late. He doesn't change it when it needs changing and is stubborn as heck. But he has also gone through personal trauma this season on top of his job. I don't hate him as a person and I don't think he suits us as a manager (Levy or no Levy).

My problem either way is certain people either not giving him (and the players and Levy) credit where it is due, and vice versa.

funkycoldmedina · Mar 14, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
I’m not trying to fight a side of the argument, I’m calling out the clear bi

Conte said some things and you got upset about it. That doesn’t make what he said any less true. It doesn’t matter when he said it or how, it’s still the truth.

Historically, AC Milan are a bigger club than Spurs. That includes last season where they won a title and we celebrated a “miraculous” top 4 finish. How on earth that equals talking down on the club genuinely confuses me.

The difference is you guys are hyper focused on the deliver of what was said vs me who actually only cares about what was said and whether it’s true or not. And it is.

Like I said earlier, emotions will always cloud judgement. But emotions will never trump the truth.

Where have I got upset about it? I've not commented on this. You're off on a rant again to prove your point...........which proves mine

TPdYID · Mar 14, 2023

chrisd2k said:
You are making some incredible leaps and again playing the man not the ball so let's go out separate ways

Spurs community dabbling in a bit of football chat / dating service now?

Rosco1984 · Mar 14, 2023

bat-chain said:
The fact Sutton sees no benefit in Tottenham being led by Conte for the last 10 games shows he is lying or doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Conte has many flaws but he also brings a lot.

Can you describe what he is bringing? apart from picking the same 11 players in the same positions week in week out and making the same subs at the same time every game regardless of the situation? I am pretty sure the players could do that themselves.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

funkycoldmedina said:
Where have I got upset about it? I've not commented on this. You're off on a rant again to prove your point...........which proves mine

The entire point of my post was Emotion vs Fact, I was using “you” as an anology for the other side of the argument.

I shouldn’t feel the need to over explain myself but I prefer to be concise about what I say. If that “proves your point” then I’m happy for you. It’s exactly how I want to be seen.

spurs mental · Mar 14, 2023

Cel said:
top 4 being like a trophy, a miracle

Poch said similar about trophies only being an ego boost and how top 4 is more important for a club like Tottenham, he said ita week after we exited both the league and FA Cup, yet we've had some people who want Conte's head on a stick defend Poch's quote.

jurgen11 · Mar 14, 2023

Albertbarich said:
Well then we're naffed if he stays aren't we having spent the best part of 90 million on Richarlison and Bissouma.

olliec said:
Comments like this just piss me off. why not read what he actually said. “In terms of history”. He never said we are nothing compared to them.

“In terms of history, these two clubs are on totally different levels. Milan won the Serie A title last season, whereas we scraped through by a miracle going from ninth place to fourth.

this is all true facts as well.

We "scraped" 4th by playing attractive , front foot football for a change

allatsea · Mar 14, 2023

Rosco1984 said:
Can you describe what he is bringing? apart from picking the same 11 players in the same positions week in week out and making the same subs at the same time every game regardless of the situation? I am pretty sure the players could do that themselves.

He is bringing 4th in the PL which 16 other managers aren't doing.

Rosco1984 · Mar 14, 2023

allatsea said:
He is bringing 4th in the PL which 16 other managers aren't doing.

in the past two months we have won one game I can think of with him on the touchline. We have beaten City, Chelsea, Fulham, West Ham when he wasnt around.

cockerel downunder · Mar 14, 2023

If conte admitted he was leaving in June, what would that do to the players? I think he had to keep saying he might sign a new contract in order to keep them playing for him to the end. He may just be being professional and wants to get 4th place and leave with his head held high, but knows he can’t achieve this if he’s completely open and honest.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

Rosco1984 said:
in the past two months we have won one game I can think of with him on the touchline. We have beaten City, Chelsea, Fulham, West Ham when he wasnt around.

Funny how you left out the loses we suffered when he wasn’t on the touch line too.

Rosco1984 · Mar 14, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
Funny how you left out the loses we suffered when he wasn’t on the touch line too.

2 loses without him. 4 Wins. 1 win at home to Forest technically 1 draw but lets be honest it was a second leg in his last 6 fixtures on the touchline.

Sorry 2 wins in 7 I think he was at Preston. The all conquering Conte bringing us wins against Forest and Preston sending us all to sleep and making veiled references that we aren't worth his time. Lets keep him around for as long as possible.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

Rosco1984 said:
2 loses without him. 4 Wins. 1 win at home to Forest technically 1 draw but lets be honest it was a second leg in his last 6 fixtures on the touchline.

And all of those matches were played under his instruction regardless of whether he was physically there or not.

Cel · Mar 14, 2023

spurs mental said:
Poch said similar about trophies only being an ego boost and how top 4 is more important for a club like Tottenham, he said ita week after we exited both the league and FA Cup, yet we've had some people who want Conte's head on a stick defend Poch's quote.

Where? I certainly didn't?

How does Poch being bad make Conte not Bad? Just both bad, no?

Bluto Blutarsky · Mar 14, 2023

Rosco1984 said:
in the past two months we have won one game I can think of with him on the touchline. We have beaten City, Chelsea, Fulham, West Ham when he wasnt around.

I’m curious. In the games when he was not at the stadium, he was still picking teams and making in-game decisions.

What, exactly, do you think was the difference? Do you think his mere presence is the issue?

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 14, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
I’m curious. In the games when he was not at the stadium, he was still picking teams and making in-game decisions.

What, exactly, do you think was the difference? Do you think his mere presence is the issue?

ITK mentioned that he was stinking the place out so maybe that rotting gall bladder was the issue?

Rosco1984 · Mar 14, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
I’m curious. In the games when he was not at the stadium, he was still picking teams and making in-game decisions.

What, exactly, do you think was the difference? Do you think his mere presence is the issue?

Could well be he's hardly bringing positivity with him anymore. To me we definitely looked far more positive on the ball and more proactive as a team without him.

RuskyM · Mar 14, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
On the flip side maybe you should humble yourself because we’ve been in one CL final, which we didn’t even show up for yet we have nothing to show for it. Atleast Conte has won some of the finals he’s managed to make it too.

You really need to learn the place as spurs fans in the grand scheme of things. We’ve won fuck all since 2008. There’s a reason why most of the other football fans think spurs fans are delusional.

You have this sense of superiority as a club over Conte, and it was the same with Mourinho yet one has won more trophies as a manager and the other half the trophies we have as a club IN OUR ENTIRE HISTORY.

It’s not talking down on the club when he’s stating facts. Just because a few of you had your feelings hurt by it doesn’t make it any less true.

Humility goes a long way.

There is nothing more small time than placing a manager on a pedestal for trophies they’ve won elsewhere: especially when some of those trophies have come at one of our biggest rivals. If a manager doesn’t respect the club or thinks he’s better than the fans, he can fuck off, not be praised. That’s the same at Tottenham as it is at Tranmere as it is at Real Madrid.

Antonio’s currently eighteen points behind Arteta, despite his CV and his defensive football. If finishing above them last year was a miracle that he deserves praise for, how do you define Arteta’s season?

I get that this barren period has been draining. But we’ve defined ourselves by it for the past three years and gone against our supposed ideals, gone against entertainment value, gone against long term planning…and we’ve got no closer. i don’t get why doing more of that will change the trend.

spurs mental · Mar 14, 2023

Cel said:
Where? I certainly didn't?

How does Poch being bad make Conte not Bad? Just both bad, no?

Sorry, wasn't aimed at you.

I wasn't saying Poch was bad or Conte is bad, just highlighting the double standards.

Rosco1984 · Mar 14, 2023

RuskyM said:
There is nothing more small time than placing a manager on a pedestal for trophies they’ve won elsewhere: especially when some of those trophies have come at one of our biggest rivals. If a manager doesn’t respect the club or thinks he’s better than the fans, he can fuck off, not be praised. That’s the same at Tottenham as it is at Tranmere as it is at Real Madrid.

Antonio’s currently eighteen points behind Arteta, despite his CV and his defensive football. If finishing above them last year was a miracle that he deserves praise for, how do you define Arteta’s season?

save your breath mate if he values Mourinho and Conte higher than he values the club he is clearly not worth the effort. The club is bigger than any manager or any player and will be around long after any of us too. The managers who do well at any club are the managers who fall in love with the club and defend the club above all else. It doesn't matter if that club is Madrid, Liverpool or Accrington Stanley.

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