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Great red herring this one. Government must be pissing themselves. Made everyone forget about the cost of energy or food prices for a bit hasn’t it?
What's dangerous is the Home Secretary calling asylum seekers "an invasion" the day after someone firebombed a migrant holding centre. And what's been happening since then? Oh yes, racist protests and violence outside hotels housing migrants.But to compare government policy/language to 1930's Germany is stupid and with a platform like his, a little dangerous too.
Claiming asylum is not illegal immigration. It’s a universally recognised human right that the current policy seeks to strip away
You’re inferring it. He called the policy cruel and inhumane… which it is. He said the language was reminiscent of the nazis… which it is. The policy is ludicrous, unfair, a breach of international law and a national embarrassment but not similar to the holocaust or other nazi policies and neither Gary lineker or anyone else has suggested that it isYes and there's a very nuanced and difficult debate to be had over the blurring of lines between true "Asylum seekers" and actual Illegal immigration - and the former being dispossessed by the latter.
But that place is not this thread. Nor was it my point. My point is very simple - we all know Lineker was calling the Govt policies Nazi and trying to deny that is utterly bizare and fruitless.
Jesus fucking Christ stop making the argument "he called them Nazis but only a specific and limited type of nazi"You’re inferring it. He called the policy cruel and inhumane… which it is. He said the language was reminiscent of the nazis… which it is. The policy is ludicrous, unfair, a breach of international law and a national embarrassment but not similar to the holocaust or other nazi policies and neither Gary lineker or anyone else has suggested that it is
I knew Linkeker and the other studio pundits had walked out, but had no idea the commentary team were gone. MOTD feels like the itv4 re-runs from the 80s.FWIW MOTD without Lineker and pundits and commentary sucks
Either the nuances of the English language are completely beyond you or you are being deliberately disingenuous. I’m not arguing he called them nazis of any kind because he didn’t. I couldn’t possibly be clearer on this pointJesus fucking Christ stop making the argument "he called them Nazis but only a specific and limited type of nazi"
It's just weird
Yep I’m out now as well… at least until morningThis has been a good discussion today - will leave politics for the politics thread now.
What's dangerous is the Home Secretary calling asylum seekers "an invasion" the day after someone firebombed a migrant holding centre. And what's been happening since then? Oh yes, racist protests and violence outside hotels housing migrants.
The government's "invaders" rhetoric about migrants is deliberately normalising a view that they're the enemy and to blame for the problems with housing, healthcare, jobs and so on.
He is Australian.Either the nuances of the English language are completely beyond you or you are being deliberately disingenuous. I’m not arguing he called them nazis of any kind because he didn’t. I couldn’t possibly be clearer on this point
Glad we've been able to discuss civilly, even though we disagree on some points.Agreed. The government are not blameless here at all. I'm certainly no Tory supporter.
But my argument is with Lineker and words he used to criticise the policy. He should have apologised. Not for the criticism, but the comparison was wrong.
But the post you quoted (and agreed with) perfectly encapsulates why what Lineker said was accurate.Agreed. The government are not blameless here at all. I'm certainly no Tory supporter.
But my argument is with Lineker and words he used to criticise the policy. He should have apologised. Not for the criticism, but the comparison was wrong.
That's exactly what happened in 1930's Germany (referring specifically to Jews and not just "migrants"), which is the sum total of the point he was making.The government's "invaders" rhetoric about migrants is deliberately normalising a view that they're the enemy and to blame for the problems with housing, healthcare, jobs and so on.
He is Australian.
I think people forget that the nazi party was a political party with views that many world leaders agreed and approved of, including Churchill, at the start.But the post you quoted (and agreed with) perfectly encapsulates why what Lineker said was accurate.
That's exactly what happened in 1930's Germany (referring specifically to Jews and not just "migrants"), which is the sum total of the point he was making.