Maybe because half the players he had are still here? Maybe because he hasn’t really managed another club bar the circus that is PSG? Maybe because he was so inflexible with targets and wouldn’t work with a DOF.
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agrdavidsfan
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- Aug 25, 2005
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Good post, yes he hasn’t been fully backed to the hilt but he has been backed way more than others.
I actually think Jose,Poch and even Harry would get more out of this squad or would have with the financial backing conte has had.
I think like you have said he has realized it isn’t as easy to win here as he thought this league is a juggernaut it’s ridiculous we have teams here like Forrest for example with players who are on higher wages than they are on at Madrid etc!
it’s the hardest league in the world but….at least under Poch he believed we were one of the bigger teams if not the biggest in it unlike Antonio who acts as if we are tiny club
ReadieSpur
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He's managed the top stars of the game under a DoF at PSG. It's not the worst experience.
So what if half the players he managed are still here. Half of them are also not here. He got a better tune out of the players here than Conte is getting.
Stavrogin
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The hatred of Levy is so dense it's warping spacetime. People see everything through the lens of this parasocial relationship, and it's driving them insane.
Hotspur88 just said that some fans still can't see that Levy is the problem. As if we're supposed to do something about it.
I could understand if he was driving the club to bankruptcy or he was a reprehensible individual or Enic were leeching money from us... but he's just made some bad decisions and has a way of operating that some find frustrating.
The thing is, despite how we are constantly being briefed, Levy has been pretty flexible and able to change. At the same time we've grown massively and have far more options than we had previously. So I am not surprised there have been some errors but the will and capacity to change is obviously there. So I just can't be as pessimistic about things as we're supposed to be.
Appointing Espirito Santo was a catastrophe but Levy moved quickly to replace him. And I really don't think we will end up in that situation again. Appointing Conte was a great bold move and it paid off. In the summer we got signings in quickly and massively increased our strength in depth. Things aren't working out but that happens sometimes.
If Pochettino comes in, I don't believe that Levy will be looking at it as a way to fool the fans or be lazy. I would expect that he believes it's the best option of those available and he would make an effort to make it work. Similarly, I don't think Pochettino would rejoin if he didn't think he could be successful. We frequently make ambitious moves. I can't see this as some sneaky, cheap way to get fans onside.
(That said, we should always be skeptical of what we hear. Maybe Levy and Pochettino just have mutual respect and let it be known. Maybe there is no desire for them to reunite. You can't invest too much into the minutiae when you don't know what's really happening. )
You asked why people don’t want him back yet, I gave you the reasons.
He certainly never overachieved at PSG and struggled implementing his tactics with those superstars.
The reason it matters is because he literally said the squad needed overhauled when he was here and yet we still have all that old furniture.
mil1lion
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I would be shocked if he kept Ndombele now we have Bissouma, Hojberg, Bentancur, Skipp and Sarr. I can see him keep Lo Celso though as an attacking midfielder. I would be interested to see how he would do in a more attacking team if he can stay fit.
delawarespur
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I do have hope only for the fact it could easily be argued Poch was hugely successful with us. I judge on trophies, but it’s not like we weren’t extremely close to them multiple times. He did all that despite the incompetence above him. That’s what the club should go for. Someone similar to Poch when we hired him. An up and comer who works within ideally a coherent well thought out long term plan the club comes up with before the next hire. It’s really concerning that I could easily gather a group of 10-20 members on here, and we’d be making better football decisions than those in charge. I could name at least 10 managers I’d rather have than Poch, and it’s not because they’re of a higher quality, but rather they’d signify a start of a new philosophy, and they’d be hired for the right reasons.
Hiring Poch for me would be completely for the wrong reasons and I don’t even think it’s debatable. Easy, convenient, familiar. What he left isn’t fully gone. Just a hire born out of blind hope and desperation he can recreate what he did when he hasn’t shown he’s any better than before, and as already said, there’s still traces of his first stint still at the club. Hiring him for the right reasons would mean the club taking their time after the season and really going through all their options. Speaking with him about a long term plan and getting him and the club on the same page to create something new. The fact that it seems inevitable he returns and is the one Levy has tunnel vision for even going back to last year screams panic and the lack of a plan.
I absolutely despise the club for the bullshit they’ve pulled changing constantly and just hoping without a plan when they should be looking inwards at why the club has been a mess since 2019. They really should be taking their time to get a plan in place and then everything should be much clearer and calmer when changing managers, players, etc.
WhiteStripe
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- Aug 23, 2006
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We have “some” old furniture. We also have a hell of a lot of new furniture.
He could field a completely new team to the team he had before. I don’t know why people continually reference his statement on squad overhaul as a reason not to bring him back when since he left we have made many signings and got rid of many players.
If you were to take a 4-2-3-1 as his template formation, I would say only Kane and possibly Son as players from his reign get in the team.
I get people not wanting Poch because of how things ended, but not because of the players we have and his feelings / statements in the past which are clearly no longer relevant.
robotsonic
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Would take Poch back in a heartbeat, personally. He never should have been let go in the first place, which is to say that the situation should not have been allowed to deteriorate as fast as it did over the final 12 months to the point where it had to be done. That was on both he and the club in a multitude of ways.
I'd just have to hope that if we did want him back that the time that's passed has allowed for enough reflection on both sides so that we can avoid a similar situation happening again.
Supporting this club has always been about more than the trophies for me. I just want to care about what's on the pitch and the people putting it there, and I never cared more in 30+ years than during those good times under him.
I'd just have to hope that if we did want him back that the time that's passed has allowed for enough reflection on both sides so that we can avoid a similar situation happening again.
Supporting this club has always been about more than the trophies for me. I just want to care about what's on the pitch and the people putting it there, and I never cared more in 30+ years than during those good times under him.
funkycoldmedina
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Klopp is a good comparison, managers like him and Poch invest a lot of themselves in their project and ask a lot of their players. Both sides burn out and need a break. But Klopp had his and came back rejuvenated and you could argue Poch is now in the same position. If he's fired up for a new project we could reap the reward
mil1lion
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It's not half, just a matter of how many out on loan if any he keeps. Plenty of fresh players for him and he didn't even have Sess, Lo Celso and Ndombele long. Add several signings and it's the rebuild he always wanted. Not to mention some youngsters like Devine and Scarlett.
Lloris, Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Sess, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks, Son, Kane, Moura
Forster, Reguilon, Ndogie, Spence, Rodon, Emerson, Porro, Perisic, Romero, Tanganga, Hojbjerg, Skipp, Sarr, Bentancur, Bissouma, Kulusevski, Gil, Danjuma, Richarlison
danielneeds
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- May 5, 2004
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This is it for me. I can t stand watching us create 1-3 chances a match with one of the best strikers on the planet up front. It’s criminal really.
St José Dominguez
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I must be one of the few living in a parallel universe where the final times of pochs reign weren’t a joy to watch. I found it mainly pretty turgid and it got worse and worse as we started losing our better players and others aged. Yeah I know we had those CL incredible moments but most of those games were just mad scenarios filled with last minute winners, that ain’t going to be repeated. It’s a complete fantasy world if you think he’s gonna come in and get us playing even near peak Poch football. We need good footballers to do that and those cost a lot of money. We didn’t press for about two years so dunno where this idea we’ll suddenly become some high intensity pressing team again is coming from, psg weren’t doing that. It’s going to be a painful disaster in my opinion and I’d much, much rather a completely fresh start with a new attacking manager. But Poch coming back will be good for initial fan morale so that’s what they’ll do. There’s no plan here though, it’s a complete mess.
More like playing everywhere but up front, searching for the ball.
Youre right, the last few games werent great, like Liverpool are going through now really. The thing is like Klopp, Poch needed to rebuild that team and squad. It reached its pinnacle. We just didnt do what should have been done. I think this is the unfinished business some of us who want Poch back, are thinking and I suspect so is Levy and Poch.
fishhhandaricecake
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Haha love this ?
rossdapep
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Your first question.
He's actually the perfect person to come in and clear out some of those players.
Why?
Well he knows their limitations. That means he's not gonna take the job and then spend time analysing them.
He knows Dier is not good enough as CB. He'll tell Levy that.
I would prefer another coach but Gallardo, Amorim, Schmidt or whoever will come in and analyse them. For sure Levy will tell that coach to analyse the squad.
Poch will be able to nip that in the bud.
Here's a thought.
Poch spoke about a strong rebuild. Who from that group that he had would you have said needs to be kept and part of the new one?
Kane, Son, Lloris, Dele. Anyone else?
Well three are still here but one may go. The other has already gone.
Toby, Jan, Rose, Wanyama were big players for Poch but I believe they may have been ones he wanted replacing for multiple reasons.
I dont believe he wanted to replace Kane or Son or Hugo, maybe Dele though.
We have already done that.
The issue is we haven't moved on the 'fillers' like Dier, Davies, Sanchez etc and we still have to address the players he signed (Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon). That last part is a worry.
But I do believe he will know EXACTLY what he wants to do with his old bunch
mr ashley
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So do you consider Sanchez, dier, Davies, winks, lo Celso, Ndombele Lucas and even Lloris to be good enough to take us forward and improve?
because despite us signing a load of new players, all of these ones would be on the payroll when/if he is hired.
The fact that there are other potential starters is fine but to upgrade any of these becomes much harder when you have a ceo who will literally say to him- “you signed these players so I expect you to play them”.
So there goes your upgrades - and there goes any sign of improvement when you have to rotate the squad.
Sadly there’s so much about what poch said that’s relevant still because he’s describing the same players that are still around.
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