Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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HildoSpur
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You are making a comparison though surely because you are suggesting we could (should?) be in contention with them and the others you mentioned. So I'll ask you again, if you think City's squad looks thin, how does our compare?
Trix
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But if it were you would you think it's worth the time and effort to do the rebuild if every game they are going to get booed despite keep saying it's a project that'll take time?
McFlash
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Yep, nearly everyone on here was expecting a drubbing before the game.
As it was, we were very competitive and arguably the better team over the 90.
We took the game to them, competed well and played some bloody good stuff.
Yet because we (unluckily imo) lost, the same posters are straight back in here, bitching about Conte because they don't seem to have any grasp on reality.
It's baffling how their minds work, to be honest.
PeeEyeEmPee
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Did you miss the part where I said I was hoping we could position ourselves to take advantage IF CITY/LIVERPOOL HAD POOR SEASONS? Does that sound like I'm comparing us to them or saying we should be in contention with them? They had a big down year in 19/20 and got "only" 81 points compared to 98 the season before. Liverpool had an even bigger one the following season. We got 71 last season after losing 11 games.
All I was saying is that I was hoping for an improvement on our part, and giving a reason for why they possibly could have a down year, not that I thought we had a squad to rival theirs. Why is this so complicated to understand, whether you agree with it or not?
Albertbarich
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That's modern football isn't it?
They have priced it so it's an entertainment business so if you don't serve up the people product want there will be boo's from a certain section of the crowd.
It's not like that wouldn't happen at any other club.
PeeEyeEmPee
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I don't think we were unlucky at all. We created next to nothing in the first half (apart from the Perisic header that hit the post, I don't recall anything) and were a lot better in the 2nd once we upped our urgency and started using the ball better. But that's our own fault for digging a 0-2 hole for ourselves against a team that didn't look particularly great themselves. It isn't baffling that people have a problem with us effectively throwing away a game that proved to be there for the taking, and thinking we'd have had a better chance at winning had we started the game the way we ended it
McFlash
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Yep, Fergies United had a fair few of them.
HildoSpur
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You said that one reason why City might have a poor season is because you felt their squad was thin, that would suggest that you must think that our squad compares favorably to them in their 'thin' state as you put it, otherwise you still wouldn't think we had a chance. I've been pushing you on this point because I'd like to know if that is what you think?
You were hoping for an improvement on our part which suggests you see little or no improvement since Conte came in - that is despite us having our best start to a Premier League season in our history after 10 games and more recently topping our Champions League group. If that is not showing progress to you then I'd be interested to know how you view improvement and what you want to see?
walworthyid
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I have to say that I feel more optimistic about where we are going after yesterday than I have for ages.
We have been awful but yesterday was much more like the spurs I love. We went for it, we competed and we didn't allow them to come and bully us.
Yes we lost, but if we play like that we'll win more often than not.
Phase 2 of conte's project has got to be getting us to play from the first whistle. If we did that yesterday we would have won. We were the better team overall.
McFlash
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Oh lord.
We finished last season strongly with one game a week.
This season we've had three games a week, injuries in key positions and there's a stupid world cup to contend with.
Do you really not see why we may not be able to perform at such a level at the moment?
That's why the more level headed posters are saying to judge Conte at the end of this season. Let's see how we do when things calm down a little and aren't so manic.
We're not the only team struggling at the moment.
walworthyid
David Ginola
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That is statistical improvement though. Its not the same thing at all. We haven't shown much footballing improvement in terms of the quality of our play.
Yesterday was pur best performance of the season, and we lost!
HildoSpur
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Statistical improvement is surely the most important thing? It's about getting points on the board is it not? Style of play is something that I have no doubt will improve once we have better players in and key players back fit. This all comes down to whether you have the patience and understanding to see where we are and where we are going.
walworthyid
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I do agree to an extent, but you have to concede that we have been shockingly poor at times.
If we played well for 1 game and then started to show a bit of tiredness for a couple of games that would be fair enough, but we've been terrible for the majority of this season.
More than that though has been the negative tactics. Yesterday was positive from the off. We weren't great in the first half but showed some aggression and adventure.
The low block is not suited to our squad or fanbase in my opinion.
McFlash
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I don't think there's a single member here who's happy with our current first half performances.
Jus some have an understanding of why it MAY be happening.
That doesn't mean it's right but a bit of understanding is better than some of the moaning and Conte out shite.
walworthyid
David Ginola
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Clearly it isn't or we wouldn't have so many disgruntled fans.
Its a tough balance I'll grant you. You go for it and lose and the fans are on your back anyway. But it shouldn't be either or. We should be able to keep things tight and still go on the front foot.
Our players really aren't that bad and even if they are, sitting back makes them look even worse.
I was listening to Tim Howard interview with Ben Foster which was interesting, he mentioned the likes of O'Shea and Fletcher as being crucial. I think the likes of Dier and Davies are crucial to a team. They may not be 'first choice' in the eyes of many but they can contribute to the season as not every game do you need 11 world class players.
walworthyid
David Ginola
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Its not shite. It's opinions. We all want the same thing, it just looks different for some people.
HildoSpur
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Some of our players are that bad though (or at least not good enough to be regular starters), some of them wouldn't be starting at any of our rivals and really are squad players at best but we are forced to play them week in, week out - most of our defense I would argue. Our fans are freaking out because Arsenal look so great right now and it's embarrassing. You need to look at things rationally rather than emotionally and rationally we are doing well considering the fact our squad is stretched to the limit through injuries and having to play a ridiculous schedule.
McFlash
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I'll admit that I'm slightly baffled as to why we're so poor in first halves at the moment, maybe there's some truth in the view that we're trying to conserve energy? Whether that's by design, or down to the player's is another question.
ALso, I'm not sure that I'd call our style a low block, as such. That term reminds me of the Jose time, which really did serve up a terrible viewing.
Under Conte, we've shown that we can play some scintillating, exciting football but for whatever reason it's not clicked this season.
That could be down to one or many of the reasons that have been touted in here but at least we know it's there.
we never had that under Jose.
For me, apart from his record etc, that's the main reason for sticking with Conte.
He's shown that we can be a bloody good side, we just need a bit more time...and quality.
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