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sundanceyid10 said:
People are aware the plan is to try and close down City right? I mean I assume that’s ultimately what we have to do, want to do?

And people actually think we are going to achieve this with the likes of Zaha, Traore, Dan James. This shouldn’t even be a discussion, none of them are good enough, they are not even close to good enough, as 6th choice, 7th choice, back ups whatever.
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You are greatly underestimating Zaha's quality if you think he's anywhere near as bad as Traore or James. Zaha has been better for Palace than Rich was for Everton in what's generally been a worse team (last season Everton were worse than Palace though) while being by far their most creative, space creating and generally biggest goal scoring threat while being targeted by two players against most teams and almost single handedly keeping Palace in the league for more than half a decade. Palace very likely won't even listen to offers but Zaha is quality and would without doubt over a season be a very significant addition to this team. Then you compare him to two players who are fast and can take people on but other than that don't have quality to start regularly at their clubs who would bite your hand off if someone offered £20-25m for them

This is exactly like people dismissing Grealish and Rich despite Villa and Everton fans continuously telling everyone how good they are because obviously they can't be that good, they play for worse teams there's no way they can be. Tell me you don't watch Zaha without telling me you don't watch him
 
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sundanceyid10 said:
I said none of them are good enough, someone else mentioned brackets of who is better than whoever else. I don’t really care about bracketing them. We have to try and kick on from 4th, City look like they are on another planet with Haaland. To catch Pool and City we are going to have to go out and add some real quality.

Not these players who will just clog up the books, regardless of Zaha being better than James and Traore, brilliant still doesn’t fix anything. They just are not good enough for the reality of the difficulty of the next step. All these type of players are just bang average types that we haven’t done well with in the past.
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So, in your opinion, realistically who can we go out and buy?
We can't go out and buy Europe's finest. They will naturally opt for Madrid, Liverpool, Munich, City.
Possible look to find a gem that will flourish and become elite? - Modric. Doesn't happen too often.
Sides on an equal footing wouldn't sell to us.
Even then spending big on players from other leagues hasn't served us well recently!
Buying the best players from teams below us is really the only way.
Chelsea have shown how tricky (expensive) that is at times still.
Richarlison, Bissouma, Zaha. I think this is where we're at
 
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HarryKane said:
You are greatly underestimating Zaha's quality if you think he's anywhere near as bad as Traore or James. Zaha has been better for Palace than Rich was for Everton in what's generally been a worse team (last season Everton were worse than Palace though) while being by far their most creative, space creating and generally biggest goal scoring threat while being targeted by two players against most teams and almost single handedly keeping Palace in the league for more than half a decade. Palace very likely won't even listen to offers but Zaha is quality and would without doubt over a season be a very significant addition to this team. Then you compare him to two players who are fast and can take people on but other than that don't have quality to start regularly at their clubs who would bite your hand off if someone offered £20-25m for them

This is exactly like people dismissing Grealish and Rich despite Villa and Everton fans continuously telling everyone how good they are because obviously they can't be that good, they play for worse teams there's no way they can be. Tell me you don't watch Zaha without telling me you don't watch him
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Nowhere did I type he is as bad as. I said all three are not good enough to bridge the gap of where we need to go as a club to catch City and Pool. They aren’t. If you think differently good luck with that. It is not even our greatest need as a position, our front 3 are as good as most in the league.

Other positions however need some real quality, absolute top quality if the aim is top get 2nd or even win a league title.

Those three regardless of others wanting to get into brackets of whos better are not good enough. People seem to take that as I said Zaha is shit, which I did not. But he is not good enough for where we are trying to get too. Traore and James are not either. If you think any of them are fine, I think any of them god forbid they join will be just more examples of players not good enough for where we need to go and be once again players we struggle to shift.
 
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hutchiniho said:
So, in your opinion, realistically who can we go out and buy?
We can't go out and buy Europe's finest. They will naturally opt for Madrid, Liverpool, Munich, City.
Possible look to find a gem that will flourish and become elite? - Modric. Doesn't happen too often.
Sides on an equal footing wouldn't sell to us.
Even then spending big on players from other leagues hasn't served us well recently!
Buying the best players from teams below us is really the only way.
Chelsea have shown how tricky (expensive) that is at times still.
Richarlison, Bissouma, Zaha. I think this is where we're at
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Im not saying who we should buy but all of these £10m type buys that we do a lot of mount up. If players are not of good enough we are far better going with what we have, keeping our powder dry and saving the money for better opportunities. We need absolute quality not just numbers to climb the last rung of the ladder (the hardest rung of the ladder).

Other people are commenting that I said Zaha is as bad as the others when I said no such thing, I simply said all of them are not good enough. Some of them might have been years ago when the club was in a different position Zaha for example. But we are not in that position now, we have improved the squad added quality numbers and have a few years of prime Kane left.

What we need now is some true quality and those players in my opinion are not that at all so I’d rather not waste the money.

I’m not saying it’s easy, it’s the opposite of easy to win a league title, which is what I would love to see happen its going to have to take some skill. We came 4th and the mountain up to the next few steps is even harder.
 
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I agree with the spirit of don’t buy players unless they are right - better to wait. However the premier league is fiercely competitive and I think zaha is an example of a very good player that perhaps isn’t quite right but could be the difference between top four and not. I can’t see Crystal Palace letting him go last day of season but hopefully we see some movement on this tomorrow.
 
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sundanceyid10 said:
Nowhere did I type he is as bad as. I said all three are not good enough to bridge the gap of where we need to go as a club to catch City and Pool. They aren’t. If you think differently good luck with that. It is not even our greatest need as a position, our front 3 are as good as most in the league.

Other positions however need some real quality, absolute top quality if the aim is top get 2nd or even win a league title.
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There are 2 games per week for most of the season with a world cup in the middle of it. If you want to win titles regularly and play in europe you need 2 players of real quality in every position because of fatigue, injuries, competition and options. At best you can argue the club has 4 forwards out of 6 that fit that and Zaha would make it 5. Midfield is arguably the best part of the team right now with Hojbjerg, Bentancur, Bissouma, Skipp and Sarr. WBs arguably the only top quality option right now is Perisic (Doherty was very good before he was injured last season however, Spence we'll see but he has talent and the athleticism) but unfortunately getting top quality options there is difficult. CB could use upgrades but the obvious upgrades are either incredibly expensive or won't move (Gvardiol, Bastoni, Skriniar etc) so aren't happening. So if CBa dn WB upgrades aren't going to happen, midfield is generally fine and the option to get a quality upgrade like Zaha is even remotely possible then why not do it?

Saying Traore and James are nowhere near good enough is true, but you seem to think Zaha is some random punt when in actual fact he's quality, which you would know if you watched him. If you think Rich is good to push on the squad then you should think the same of Zaha because he's even better
 
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greavesy461 said:
I agree with the spirit of don’t buy players unless they are right - better to wait. However the premier league is fiercely competitive and I think zaha is an example of a very good player that perhaps isn’t quite right but could be the difference between top four and not. I can’t see Crystal Palace letting him go last day of season but hopefully we see some movement on this tomorrow.
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I think he looks ok at Palace, I’m not convinced at all that he will do well moving to a bigger club. I’m not convinced either that he will help that much in getting us where we are trying to go. Save the money and invest it later and explore those opportunities, it is more likely to bring us success in my opinion.

Others on here want the likes of Zaha or James or Traore, fine it’s a game of opinions but I feel as a club we have been down the road of these type of signing before. I personally thing it’s just close to the end of the window and people want any signing, but hand on heart I can’t believe at the start of the window people wanted these type of players or that they would really help Us kick on.
 
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HarryKane said:
There are 2 games per week for most of the season with a world cup in the middle of it. If you want to win titles regularly and play in europe you need 2 players of real quality in every position because of fatigue, injuries, competition and options. At best you can argue the club has 4 forwards out of 6 that fit that and Zaha would make it 5. Midfield is arguably the best part of the team right now with Hojbjerg, Bentancur, Bissouma, Skipp and Sarr. WBs arguably the only top quality option right now is Perisic (Doherty was very good before he was injured last season however, Spence we'll see but he has talent and the athleticism) but unfortunately getting top quality options there is difficult. CB could use upgrades but the obvious upgrades are either incredibly expensive or won't move (Gvardiol, Bastoni, Skriniar etc) so aren't happening. So if CBa dn WB upgrades aren't going to happen, midfield is generally fine and the option to get a quality upgrade like Zaha is even remotely possible then why not do it?

Saying Traore and James are nowhere near good enough is true, but you seem to think Zaha is some random punt when in actual fact he's quality, which you would know if you watched him. If you think Rich is good to push on the squad then you should think the same of Zaha because he's even better
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I’ve watched Zaha play often, I don’t think he is good enough at this point, you do that’s fine game of opinions. I don’t think he is a random punt, I just think at this stage of where we are as a football club he is not good enough and not what’s needed.

I’m not convinced our midfield is as sorted as you state but again it’s all opinions. I like our midfield but feel they are a little bit similar as players and lacking variety. As others have stated though this is how Conte like to play so it is what is. I personally think we need a central midfielder with a bit of flair and that can really pick a pass get his head up.

I like Bentancur, in fact both the Juventus lads have been fantastic signing, they have pushed the club forward at a time when we badly needed too. I’d rather we save money keep our powder dry and look to find and explore those type of signings even if it means waiting, rather than the likes of Zaha, Traore, James (once again I’m not saying they are all in the same ability bracket), that’s not the best way forward with where we are now.
 
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sundanceyid10 said:
Nowhere did I type he is as bad as. I said all three are not good enough to bridge the gap of where we need to go as a club to catch City and Pool. They aren’t. If you think differently good luck with that. It is not even our greatest need as a position, our front 3 are as good as most in the league.

Other positions however need some real quality, absolute top quality if the aim is top get 2nd or even win a league title.

Those three regardless of others wanting to get into brackets of whos better are not good enough. People seem to take that as I said Zaha is shit, which I did not. But he is not good enough for where we are trying to get too. Traore and James are not either. If you think any of them are fine, I think any of them god forbid they join will be just more examples of players not good enough for where we need to go and be once again players we struggle to shift.
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So you think Zaha is shit?
 
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People talking about he doesn’t come here to sit on the bench, we’ll get walks into our team right nowc
 
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This guy would inject some much needed pace into our attack.

We look stale/laboured.

Never happening though...Palace aren't selling him on deadline day lol
 
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I wonder if this happens if we let moura go - or vice Versa
Get £20 ish for moura and spend around £30 for Saha - would suit the squad more
 
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chelmyid said:
I wonder if this happens if we let moura go - or vice Versa
Get £20 ish for moura and spend around £30 for Saha - would suit the squad more
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Think Lucas goes on loan if if goes, that seems to the thing these days
 
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