Player Watch Player Watch: Richarlison

George94 · Jun 28, 2022

As long as we get all the targets Conte wants, I genuinely couldn't care less how much they cost and find it odd so many do :cautious:

freeeki · Jun 28, 2022

austinfh said:
Obviously his versatility is an asset but still think we need another forward option. I’m not sure Kane/Son/Kulu/Richarlison/Lucas is enough. People have said about Perisic as a deputy in the wide forward positions which I suppose works but I still fancy a creative option like Raphinha or someone in that mould

Richarlison gives us a lot of options, because crucially he can cover for Kane, which both Son and Lucas struggle to do. Deki is unproven there so far, as far as I'm aware.

If Kane is out and you stick Richarlison up top on his own, you can even put Sessegnon and Doherty in the wide roles (or Perisic) and just have them twat the ball in to him repeatedly, given how lethal he is in the air.

XIIIMPC · Jun 28, 2022

I think Bergwijn is a good player, and some PL teams would benefit from having him. But he's not at the level we want to be at, which in all fairness is a pretty hard level to attain.

Richarlison is certainly better and improves us.

Nerine · Jun 28, 2022

carpediem991 said:
Dont give a fck what we are paying. Knowing Levy I know it wont be a sum that sees us broke anytime soon, so what do we care if its 40/50/60m.
We should just be happy if we have another option upfront that has the ability to add goals and assists on a regular basis.

I don't think any Spurs fans should ever be too concerned over the financials of any deal we strike. We're in very capable hands in that respect.

Everything will be affordable and manageable, regardless of price.

Our recent surge in financial standings (and the subsequent reports and analytics) should pay testament to that.

We are one of the best run clubs in the League, if not the whole of Europe.

Snarfalicious · Jun 28, 2022

I think he’ll be really good for us. He’s played in some absolutely awful teams, so one with actual structure could uncover a different level to his game. I agree £60m is a lot, but if it’s a means to an end with Winks, it benefits us even further.

SpartanSpur · Jun 28, 2022

hughy said:
I understand that it will split people's opinions because of his stats, but he is the exact type of player we need. I posted yesterday that stat-wise he is pretty much on par with Son at the same age. If you add in that Richarlison has 170+ PL games under his belt, can play anywhere across the front 3, and has the workrate of a fucking animal you can understand why it would be a £50m+ deal.

I honestly don't think we will regret this.

The only downside I can think of is that his ceiling is not the highest, he's more of a Firmino than a Salah in that sense but that's perfectly fine for our needs. Kane and Son have a good few years in them yet (It's only Gooners that have convinced themselves otherwise).

- Tall, quick and strong
- Hard worker and fierce competitor
- Scores all kinds of goals, two footed and good in the air
- Can play with his back to goal or in behind
- PL Proven so should slot right in
- Brazil International

It's an absolute no brainer of a signing that massively upgrades our attacking depth, he's overpriced but we were lucky to get a couple of bargain upgrades in Bissouma and Perisic so it's all relative.

barry · Jun 28, 2022

To coin Jurgen Klopp, "He's a mentality monster" That's why he's better than Berg, and Jesus imo. Those 2 are probably better players but a wee bit fragile. This guy will miss 50 chances and still take the next shot. I truly think Arsenal should of gone for Richy instead of Jesus, but it is what it is.

SpartanSpur · Jun 28, 2022

barry said:
To coin Jurgen Klopp, "He's a mentality monster" That's why he's better than Berg, and Jesus imo. Those 2 are probably better players but a wee bit fragile. This guy will miss 50 chances and still take the next shot. I truly think Arsenal should of gone for Richy instead of Jesus, but it is what it is.

That was my main worry if we went for Raphinha over Richarlison. He's exactly what that lot need but Arteta is blind to it.

Ghost Hardware · Jun 28, 2022

Hotspur88 said:
I have zero idea of the financials involved but would be shocked if 60m isn't the top end with plenty of add ons included.

I also don't feel if the quoted 60m is true that it's steep. The guy can play across three positions, providing us with the much needed backup striker option we have been crying out for as well as providing competition for Son & Kulu.

Bringing him in solves two problems in one, thus freeing up more money for other positions (mainly LCB).

I'm all for his signature. Conte apparently loves him and I genuinely feel he could explode under him.

I just really hope that if we do indeed get him then we also look to bring in a creative midfielder/attacker. Richarlison is an aggressive work horse but he's really not creative and his vision isn't great. Be it Paqueta or whoever, i really hope we bring in someone to balance out our attack because at the moment it is really pretty thin on that side of things IMO.

Finchyid · Jun 28, 2022

George94 said:
As long as we get all the targets Conte wants, I genuinely couldn't care less how much they cost and find it odd so many do

Exactly

Tarricko · Jun 28, 2022

Aphex said:
I don't quite get what Bergjwin has done to get so much backing. btw Richarlisons end product surprised me

- Has his own celebration that looks good on FIFA
- Seems to play well for Netherlands
- The Leicester game

Although seriously. he shows flashes of what he is capable but he has no consistency. You may argue has hasnt had a good enough run in the 11 for consistency but he's played under three managers now and never managed to cement a starting spot. The fact that only Ajax are keen on him says it all.

austinfh · Jun 28, 2022

freeeki said:
Richarlison gives us a lot of options, because crucially he can cover for Kane, which both Son and Lucas struggle to do. Deki is unproven there so far, as far as I'm aware.

If Kane is out and you stick Richarlison up top on his own, you can even put Sessegnon and Doherty in the wide roles (or Perisic) and just have them twat the ball in to him repeatedly, given how lethal he is in the air.

That’s a good point in how playing him can change how we play. I haven’t considered that he could be seen as the physical striker option we’re after. It may even be a case that we play Kane in a deeper role and he fires crosses in as well

SpartanSpur · Jun 28, 2022

Ghost Hardware said:
I just really hope that if we do indeed get him then we also look to bring in a creative midfielder/attacker. Richarlison is an aggressive work horse but he's really not creative and his vision isn't great. Be it Paqueta or whoever, i really hope we bring in someone to balance out our attack because at the moment it is really pretty thin on that side of things IMO.

I think this is definitely key. Just like a target man would have been had we gone for Raphinha.

Richarlison is more a player to get on the end of things than a creative type. We need someone to ease the burden on Deki in that sense. Lucas certainly is not it.

Paqueta, Maddison, Kamada, even going back in for Eriksen would all work in this respect.

GetKaned · Jun 28, 2022

austinfh said:
Obviously his versatility is an asset but still think we need another forward option. I’m not sure Kane/Son/Kulu/Richarlison/Lucas is enough. People have said about Perisic as a deputy in the wide forward positions which I suppose works but I still fancy a creative option like Raphinha or someone in that mould

I think we would buy one more forward. Because the initial ITK was that Conte wants replacing anyone who left as well.

wiggo24 · Jun 28, 2022

wiggo24 said:
Potentially controversial but I’m not sure Richarlison is £40m’s worth of an upgrade on Bergwijn…

In terms of squad building it’s expensive for a fairly minor change imo

Definitely controversial! Me and @Ghost Hardware against the rest it seems…

Think those slagging off Bergwijn are forgetting that the bloke has barely played for longer than 10 mins in any of our games. Watch him for the national team and watch him in comparison to Lucas when he comes on and it’s quite clear he’s absolutely fine as a rotation option.

Would I be devastated about selling him? No. But for an extra £40m on top of whatever we get for Bergwijn I would personally want a better player than Richarlison, who I like but who has technical deficiencies, has never scored more than 13 in any of his Prem seasons and who, despite being heralded as a top CF backup for Kane, has got 3 goals in 18 playing in that position.

Dannyspur · Jun 28, 2022

ilya markovitz said:
Don't care about the transfer stuff, just want to know what did they eat, and did they split the bill.

A bag of fish and chips, and Kenright paid to settle up what they owe us for Dele.

Aphex · Jun 28, 2022

SpartanSpur said:
The only downside I can think of is that his ceiling is not the highest, he's more of a Firmino than a Salah in that sense but that's perfectly fine for our needs. Kane and Son have a good few years in them yet (It's only Gooners that have convinced themselves otherwise).

- Tall, quick and strong
- Hard worker and fierce competitor
- Scores all kinds of goals, two footed and good in the air
- Can play with his back to goal or in behind
- PL Proven so should slot right in
- Brazil International

It's an absolute no brainer of a signing that massively upgrades our attacking depth, he's overpriced but we were lucky to get a couple of bargain upgrades in Bissouma and Perisic so it's all relative.

Is he over priced? Arsenal just paid 45 million for Jesus who had one year left on his contract. And isn't Jesus like a back up to Richarlison for the NT?

By the way, I just did a quick comparison between Jesus and Richarlison. Interesting to note that Richarlison has a much better recent record for the Brazilian NT. The stats point to a player who is improving and becoming more valuable. Scoring important goals in important competitions for the NT. Compare that to Jesus, who has mostly scored his goals in meaningless friendlies. He's scored once in 3 years and that was in a friendly against South Korea. Their PL records are similar but Jesus was playing in a free scoring City side, so Richarlison is again the more impressive. No doubt in my mind we are getting the better player here.

vinsomer · Jun 28, 2022

Aphex said:
Richarlison: Despite Chelsea's interest, talks between Tottenham and Everton are moving in a positive light. With the Brazilian striker there is already a negotiation well underway. Agreement should be around £60m (in principle, without involving players in exchange)

Finally a fucking BOMBA, bring me the pidgeon!

Timberwolf · Jun 28, 2022

wiggo24 said:
Definitely controversial! Me and @Ghost Hardware against the rest it seems…

Think those slagging off Bergwijn are forgetting that the bloke has barely played for longer than 10 mins in any of our games. Watch him for the national team and watch him in comparison to Lucas when he comes on and it’s quite clear he’s absolutely fine as a rotation option.

Would I be devastated about selling him? No. But for an extra £40m on top of whatever we get for Bergwijn I would personally want a better player than Richarlison, who I like but who has technical deficiencies, has never scored more than 13 in any of his Prem seasons and who, despite being heralded as a top CF backup for Kane, has got 3 goals in 18 playing in that position.

He got a proper run of games under Jose during which he never really impressed. Since then he's been used as a bit-part player and, two minutes of magic at Leicester aside, he's never taken his chances. He's clearly unhappy here and wants to go - I think it's time to accept it's just not working for him at Spurs and we need someone new for that role even if costs us a fair wedge.

Montalbano · Jun 28, 2022

Trix said:
What do you expect him to say, he plays for Everton.

Plenty of ways to tip toe around that question as an ex-Tottenham and current Everton player without sounding like a complete wanker.

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