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Delboy75

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Yeah I think the wage bill is around £200m and our post covid revenue should be around £450m possibly better.

Why are you disagreeing with this ? These are literally the figures. Revenue 20/21 was £360m with no gate receipts so will be £450m + and the wage bill was £200m.
 

Gassin's finest

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So who does this apply to? Top flight clubs? Champions League clubs? Every club in every professional league?

If a club like S****horpe, which is already so broke it can't even afford to operate the old scoreboards, can't spend more than 70% of its already depleted revenue, that's just a final nail in the coffin.

All this does is ensure the big clubs are safe.
 

Tucker

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So who does this apply to? Top flight clubs? Champions League clubs? Every club in every professional league?

If a club like S****horpe, which is already so broke it can't even afford to operate the old scoreboards, can't spend more than 70% of its already depleted revenue, that's just a final nail in the coffin.

All this does is ensure the big clubs are safe.
It’s Uefa, so it’s only going to apply to clubs in their competitions.
 

Delboy75

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It’s Uefa, so it’s only going to apply to clubs in their competitions.

PL usually fall into some sort of line with Uefa. You can’t have 6 clubs in PL under these rules and the others not. EFL have their own rules.
 

Clockspur

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The problem is Man City, Newcastle, PSG will just buy the best lawyers and accountants around and fight this forever, finding loopholes and exploiting them.

We will probably be left in that constant state of limbo between 4th and 7th, getting beat by the biggest clubs but constantly qualifying for Europe. Maybe we will become Europa league specialists
 

greavesy461

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Most recent data from Swiss Ramble but only around half the premier league clubs have reported 20/21 so far:
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WeGotLedley

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The problem is Man City, Newcastle, PSG will just buy the best lawyers and accountants around and fight this forever, finding loopholes and exploiting them.

We will probably be left in that constant state of limbo between 4th and 7th, getting beat by the biggest clubs but constantly qualifying for Europe. Maybe we will become Europa league specialists
If they even need the best lawyers. I mean the whole chelski loan max allowed every year, year after year I doubt needed any magic circle advice to cook up..
 

Tony-Bish

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As the stadium kicks in I’d suggest this is good news for us and very bad for Newcastle. Sorry it’s paywall article maybe someone can find it without. It looks to be a more straightforward system than FFP. If you really can only spend 70% of your revenue we will pretty much be on a par with everyone apart from United who will have slight advantage.



So the owners of Newcastle, City just buy naming rights or sponsor shirts for £250m?
 

SpursSince1980

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The problem is Man City, Newcastle, PSG will just buy the best lawyers and accountants around and fight this forever, finding loopholes and exploiting them.

We will probably be left in that constant state of limbo between 4th and 7th, getting beat by the biggest clubs but constantly qualifying for Europe. Maybe we will become Europa league specialists
Lawyers won’t help them prevent it from being the rule. But, they will help them exploit loopholes.

That said, I’d like to believe that with this, and the tightening of restrictions around loans will decrease the ability to simply buy success and greedily hoard talent.

My guess is the team this will frustrate the most is Newcastle. As they will need to spend far beyond their annual revenue to break into the Top 6.

On paper, it looks like it may make life a little harder for smaller clubs. But hard to quantify the impact.

Through my Spurs tinted glasses, I think this works in our favor. If the stadium and related sponsorships go as planned, we will have the financial might to compete with City, Chelsea, UTD, Arsenal and Pool. If anything, we may surpass a few of the aforementioned in terms of annual turnover.
 

Delboy75

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Most recent data from Swiss Ramble but only around half the premier league clubs have reported 20/21 so far: View attachment 107935

This is completely covid compromised. You probably have to take 10-15% off each club. This is from price of football with player transfer fees. But for some reason looks like he used 2020 as Cardiff still there. Maybe as that’s the last non covid results. It’s quite clear if this was strictly implemented we’d be the main beneficiary. And those ambitious mid table teams are the worst hit Everton Leicester West Ham Villa Newcastle etc

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spursfan77

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This will essentially kill any competitiveness in football given the revenue disparity between someone like us and someone like Burnley. Somehow I feel this is exactly what UEFA wanted.

Yeah I think it’s good news for us but not for any club that wants to crack the top 6 and even better for those who regularly qualify for the champions league.

Like others have said, I’m more interested in them cracking down on the inflated sponsorship deals than this. We only need to look how the PL haven’t punished Man City yet and it’s still in lawyers hands as it has been for 2 years.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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It might not be the PL or UEFA who have the last word on finances regarding English clubs it might soon be an independent regulator if the government go through with proposals. As we have seen with Chelsea if the government act then you do what you are told.

According to her Wiki page Tracey Crouch is an avid Spurs fan.

 
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greavesy461

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I think football has shown it can’t govern itself so some sort of independent regulator seems very likely. As others have said we are in a very strong position given the stadium and other sources of revenue. Teams that aspire to challenge will need to try to build up their revenue organically - new stadium, gradually improving players in a sustainable way, improving sponsorship. Basically what we have done! It shows it can be done. So many people try to short-cut and it has a damaging effect on the integrity of the game. Even now over 10 years later I don’t think you could call Man City sustainable given the questionable sponsorship deals they have - which should absolutely be prohibited.
 

FibreOpticJesus

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I think football has shown it can’t govern itself so some sort of independent regulator seems very likely. As others have said we are in a very strong position given the stadium and other sources of revenue. Teams that aspire to challenge will need to try to build up their revenue organically - new stadium, gradually improving players in a sustainable way, improving sponsorship. Basically what we have done! It shows it can be done. So many people try to short-cut and it has a damaging effect on the integrity of the game. Even now over 10 years later I don’t think you could call Man City sustainable given the questionable sponsorship deals they have - which should absolutely be prohibited.
The last thing football needs is a government led bureaucratic quango taking £20m a year (Simon Jordan figure) out of footballs coffers and paid for by supporters. This is last chance saloon for the FA. Name one government appointed independent regulator who has been successful and delivered their objectives.
 

Trix

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I don't see Fifa or Uefa standing by and letting any government dictate any rules and regulations to any of their affiliated sporting governing bodies. They've said as much in the past.
 

greavesy461

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I don't see Fifa or Uefa standing by and letting any government dictate any rules and regulations to any of their affiliated sporting governing bodies. They've said as much in the past.
What choice would they have?
 

SirHarryHotspur

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I don't see Fifa or Uefa standing by and letting any government dictate any rules and regulations to any of their affiliated sporting governing bodies. They've said as much in the past.
They might have to reconsider their position if the government goes ahead, some of the proposals look quite good to me , fans would have a say in affairs like they do with German clubs.

The proposals are no threat to UEFA or FIFA but if an independent regulator ruled against Man City sponsorship deals which PL can't seem to do surely that is good.
And if the regulator ensured that clubs could not be subsidised to the tune of £1.5 bn on transfers & wages then another plus.



 
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Japhet

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It's a case of 'He who pays the Piper calls the tune', and we all know FIFA and UEFA have their snouts deeply buried in the trough. Sky are also obsessed with glamour football and their business ethos is based solely on greed and self interest.
 

Trix

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What choice would they have?
They've excluded a few nations in the past because of this very issue. Kenya and Zimbabwe have been kicked out because their governments decided they would get involved in how things were being run, and they will be out until they step away. They can very much kick all clubs and nations out of their competitions and refuse hosting of any future tournaments.
 
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