Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

spurs mental · Mar 2, 2022

Aphex said:
If you want to blame anyone blame Levy and Hitchen for the mess we are in.

Fully agree our recruitment is causing us serious issues but that performance last night isn't their fault. Those players regardless of technical ability should have had enough to beat a Championship side.

That one was on the players and manager.

SargeantMeatCurtains · Mar 2, 2022

spurs mental said:
It's not great when we have less time to prepare. I expect us to be fully prepped for every single game for the remainder of the season now there's no other distractions

The issue is all of the postponed games we have to play. They’re all going to be midweek.

Aphex · Mar 2, 2022

spurs mental said:
Fully agree our recruitment is causing us serious issues but that performance last night isn't their fault. Those players regardless of technical ability should have had enough to beat a Championship side.

That one was on the players and manager.

It’s on the players and the people who signed them. You say a championship side but Winks is championship quality. I don’t think Davies and Sess are much better than that level really.

That our best players nowadays are either the new signings since the summer / January or usually Kane and Son says it all.

whenstevewentup · Mar 2, 2022

A team that plays with 8 defensive players should not be conceding 16 shots against a championship team and should be able to mark a defender from a corner , on another day we could quite easily of let in 7 goals in the leeds and Boro games. I honestly don’t expect conte to be a miracle worker but for a so called ‘top 5 manager in the world ‘ The minimum i expect us is to be organised .

hughy · Mar 2, 2022

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
The issue is all of the postponed games we have to play. They’re all going to be midweek.

Only 2 left now, and surely we can play Arsenal during the FA Cup QF weekend as we're both out?

Trix · Mar 2, 2022

double0 said:
Your attention should be on Levy. Conte is a winner been there done it... We can't continue to blame the managers.

This is clearly true. He's promised significant backing to Conte in the Summer, if he doesn't get it I'll be leading the charge to oust him.

spurs mental · Mar 2, 2022

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
The issue is all of the postponed games we have to play. They’re all going to be midweek.

We'll have a max of 3 midweek games from now until end of the season I believe.

Brighton, West Ham if they get through in the FA Cup, and Arsenal.

We should be able to manage better from now until the end of the season

Aphex · Mar 2, 2022

whenstevewentup said:
A team that plays with 8 defensive players should not be conceding 16 shots against a championship team and should be able to mark a defender from a corner , on another day we could quite easily of let in 7 goals in the leeds and Boro games. I honestly don’t expect conte to be a miracle worker but for a so called ‘top 5 manager in the world ‘ The minimum i expect us is to be organised .

We were organised until extra time. The issue is if Son and Kane have an off day which they did, we have no other quality in the squad.

Half that team last night aren’t good enough to be at spurs, but are still here.

Real_madyidd · Mar 2, 2022

Trix said:
This is clearly true. He's promised significant backing to Conte in the Summer, if he doesn't get it I'll be leading the charge to oust him.

He will spend all summer trying to redefine "significant" and making excuses (no cl money as one ) totally of his own making.

spurs mental · Mar 2, 2022

Aphex said:
It’s on the players and the people who signed them. You say a championship side but Winks is championship quality. I don’t think Davies and Sess are much better than that level really.

That our best players nowadays are either the new signings since the summer / January or usually Kane and Son says it all.

Winks wasn't signed, Davies has been as the club since before our recruitment started to falter badly and every man and their dog on here wanted Sess when we signed him.

Winks isn't good enough, we know this already. Davies I think you're being a bit harsh on, Romero was by a country mile the worst CB in the 3 last night.

I'm not disagreeing with you about our recruitment, but blaming Levy for isolated results against a Championship team doesn't make sense to me.

Trix · Mar 2, 2022

Real_madyidd said:
He will spend all summer trying to redefine "significant" and making excuses (no cl money as one ) totally of his own making.

Don't think he can, pressure on him from above as well as below now and has been since last Summer. I don't want to/can't go into detail but it's been a little bit game of thrones as far as his position is concerned for a while, and lets just say there's ambitious significant other, very much with Uncle Joe's ear ready and very willing to jump into the breech so to speak.

Probably said too much there but hey ho.

Japhet · Mar 2, 2022

Yet again, we line up with a pivot midfield and get given the run around. Any pivot for us is bad, but Hojbjerg/Winks (the 'pivot of doom) is a truly dreadful combination. Any other body in there would have evened things up a bit. Kulusevski could have dropped in narrower, or Harvey White could have done a job, We got run ragged by a Championship midfield (led by a 34 year old who we made look world class). To make things worse, we switched to a back 4 later on which we're also hopeless at, but still kept the effing pivot CM. All of that is squarely on Conte. Yes, we're short of numbers, but setting us up like this is simply inviting the same failures game after game.

Aphex · Mar 2, 2022

spurs mental said:
Winks wasn't signed, Davies has been as the club since before our recruitment started to falter badly and every man and their dog on here wanted Sess when we signed him.

Winks isn't good enough, we know this already. Davies I think you're being a bit harsh on, Romero was by a country mile the worst CB in the 3 last night.

I'm not disagreeing with you about our recruitment, but blaming Levy for isolated results against a Championship team doesn't make sense to me.

They aren’t isolated results though mate. 8 defeats in 11. How many of yesterdays games have we seen over the last few years with the same players? It’s a symptom of the culture of the club and the lack of investment and poor squad management.

Zippy1980 · Mar 2, 2022

Trix said:
Don't think he can, pressure on him from above as well as below now and has been since last Summer. I don't want to/can't go into detail but it's been a little bit game of thrones as far as his position is concerned for a while, and lets just say there's ambitious significant other, very much with Uncle Joe's ear ready and very willing to jump into the breech so to speak.

Probably said too much there but hey ho.

Why can you not go into detail?

olliec · Mar 2, 2022

So much negativity, but we are only 6 points off top 4 and arsenal have to come to us. I could see us throwing the fa cup to concentrate on that which is much more important. Certainly was not the same team that played against Leeds. Players didn’t even look distraught after the lost. Still could be a successful season if we finish 4 so I’m going to wait until the end before I throw my toys out the pram.

thebenjamin · Mar 2, 2022

The confusing thing for me is City away. For all that certain players aren't good enough they still produced an outstanding performance to win away at the best team in the world. So they can do it. They just don't.

Styopa · Mar 2, 2022

Conte must shoulder some of the blame for last night. Despite how poor our squad is, we should be beating Middlesbrough. But he’s obviously not the main problem. We have lost all identity as a club. We need to decide what we want to be. Do we want to be elite or start another “project”? Either is fine with me but we need to decide and stick to it. The proof will be this summer.

spurs mental · Mar 2, 2022

Aphex said:
They aren’t isolated results though mate. 8 defeats in 11. How many of yesterdays games have we seen over the last few years with the same players? It’s a symptom of the culture of the club and the lack of investment and poor squad management.

I literally said I agree with you on our recruitment issue.

Are people that wound up that they just want to argue?

But these issues have been here under every manager we've had since before even ENIC have been involved. We've had these games and defeats play out for decades.

If we cast our mind back to last season, Jose was being blamed. Not the owners. But now its their fault and none of Contes or the players. I've been banging the players drum for over 18 months now and was basically alone at the end of Jose's time here on that front.

So it can't have been all him because a heap of those players still exist at the club.

Styopa · Mar 2, 2022

spurs mental said:
I literally said I agree with you on our recruitment issue.

Are people that wound up that they just want to argue?

But these issues have been here under every manager we've had since before even ENIC have been involved. We've had these games and defeats play out for decades.

If we cast our mind back to last season, Jose was being blamed. Not the owners. But now its their fault and none of Contes or the players. I've been banging the players drum for over 18 months now and was basically alone at the end of Jose's time here on that front.

So it can't have been all him because a heap of those players still exist at the club.

It’s not either/or. It’s perfectly coherent to hold the view that this squad is sub par and that Jose Mourinho performed a terrible job. I would suggest the appointment of Mourinho was typical of the atrocious stewardship of the club by the owners over the last 4 or 5 years.

JCRD · Mar 2, 2022

thebenjamin said:
The confusing thing for me is City away. For all that certain players aren't good enough they still produced an outstanding performance to win away at the best team in the world. So they can do it. They just don't.

Its not that - the issue is we really only have one way of playing. Our best performances this season have come against Liverpool at home, Leeds away and Man City both home and away - why? they all play in a similar way with the high line etc.

This is where i think Conte is to blame, he needs another plan and approach to games, we cant just hit continue to play one way where we try to exploit in behind as this will be so much more difficult against teams with a lower block.

We need to be able to play in front of teams and not just in behind thats my point.

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