Newcastle buyout

whitesocks · Oct 11, 2021

Spurs_1981 said:
It's been oft-repeated already multiple times throughout the thread but is probably worth repeating again, large aspects of the football media are just as much relying on the Premier league gravy train as any other party and the quote you higlighted here and the contrasting response to the super league proposals really demonstartate that ethics are a secondary consideration, or just another story to spin for clicks and attention.

The 'code for moving on' line is particuarly good and will be interesting to see if that plays out. Thankyou for highlighting that aspect.

What do we expect sky to say when newcastle win the league in 5 years time? That it wasn't a fair competition? That it is a disgrace? The game has gone?
They would lose viewers and subscribers.

They will have to put a positive spin on it, like they did for chelsea and man city. They will focus on the brilliance of the managers, or perhaps an outstanding player. Rather than mafia hits and head chopping.

cookiemonster · Oct 11, 2021

rossdapep said:
Disagree.

No-one would have opposed this if Spotify had come along and bought them promising big spending. It would suck and still be cheating to a degree but Chelsea had Abramovich and other wealthy businesses have gone and bought clubs and spent.

I oppose City but I was probably either too young or too unaware to no-one what went on there when they were bought out. The stories came later.

Unfortunately, we let City and PSG have these takeovers. possibly because football wasn't prepared for this to happen. But I feel football and the authorities had a moral responsibility to ensure that no more got in and to ensure the integrity of the game was protected.

I made a post sometime ago that this isn't about "they can have it, why can't we?" and that argument is deeply flawed. We can't do anything about what we allows to happen, but we could have prevented future events from happening.

I really hope renewable energy comes on leaps and bounds and oil becomes a secondary need, so much so that these states lose a lot of wealth and can no longer operate the way they do.

I remember a lot if people saying Abramnovich will get tired of chelsea and they will ho bankrupt once he withdraw his money

20 odd years on..he is still around and dishing out 3-0 beatings to dennis levy's team

Flynn · Oct 11, 2021

Everything Chelsea, city and now Newcastle achieve is irrelevant. Nothing they do counts.
As someone said during the Kane saga, it’s like losing your virginity to a prostitute. It’s a hollow victory.

As to “having us by the balls” and not boycotting. It doesn’t have to be so all or nothing. The world has gone so binary, You could just cancel sky or bt rather than both. Or you could just watch match of the day. I went 18 months without football during Jose’s reign, frankly I didn’t really miss it. It would only take a few months before the broadcasters got the message.

mr ashley · Oct 11, 2021

Flynn said:
Everything Chelsea, city and now Newcastle achieve is irrelevant. Nothing they do counts.
As someone said during the Kane saga, it’s like losing your virginity to a prostitute. It’s a hollow victory.

As to “having us by the balls” and not boycotting. It doesn’t have to be so all or nothing. The world has gone so binary, You could just cancel sky or bt rather than both. Or you could just watch match of the day. I went 18 months without football during Jose’s reign, frankly I didn’t really miss it. It would only take a few months before the broadcasters got the message.

I’m sorry but I can’t agree with this.
Are you telling me that all the league trophies, champions league and all other trophies are meaningless to their fans?
total rubbish.
If the boot was on the other foot, and Roman or sheikh mansour had taken over us, do you really think you’d be saying that our resulting glory would be tainted or not deserving?
I seriously doubt it.

that’s the biggest problem with this debate. It brings out the morality squad who make the most unrealistic comments.

Amo · Oct 11, 2021

mr ashley said:
If the boot was on the other foot, and Roman or sheikh mansour had taken over us, do you really think you’d be saying that our resulting glory would be tainted or not deserving?
I seriously doubt it.

That's exactly what dozens of us have been saying.

popstar7 · Oct 11, 2021

mr ashley said:
It brings out the morality squad who make the most unrealistic comments.

Yeah, God forbid morality should have anything to do with sport. Trophies and money - fuck everything else.

Marty · Oct 11, 2021

mr ashley said:
I’m sorry but I can’t agree with this.
Are you telling me that all the league trophies, champions league and all other trophies are meaningless to their fans?
total rubbish.
If the boot was on the other foot, and Roman or sheikh mansour had taken over us, do you really think you’d be saying that our resulting glory would be tainted or not deserving?
I seriously doubt it.

that’s the biggest problem with this debate. It brings out the morality squad who make the most unrealistic comments.

Hi Mike.

Dennism · Oct 11, 2021

mr ashley said:
I’m sorry but I can’t agree with this.
Are you telling me that all the league trophies, champions league and all other trophies are meaningless to their fans?
total rubbish.
If the boot was on the other foot, and Roman or sheikh mansour had taken over us, do you really think you’d be saying that our resulting glory would be tainted or not deserving?
I seriously doubt it.

that’s the biggest problem with this debate. It brings out the morality squad who make the most unrealistic comments.

No doubt it is relevant to their fans. However, the trophies were bought and were won in an environment of unfair competition. That makes the winning of them meaningless. You might as well view the killing of a fox by a pack of dogs as a superb sporting endeavour.

Trix · Oct 11, 2021

I think both sides are right on this tbh. Those that support these clubs will certainly see it as an achievement, the rest of the footballing world far less so, if at all.

WhiteStripe · Oct 11, 2021

mr ashley said:
I’m sorry but I can’t agree with this.
Are you telling me that all the league trophies, champions league and all other trophies are meaningless to their fans?
total rubbish.
If the boot was on the other foot, and Roman or sheikh mansour had taken over us, do you really think you’d be saying that our resulting glory would be tainted or not deserving?
I seriously doubt it.

that’s the biggest problem with this debate. It brings out the morality squad who make the most unrealistic comments.

You don’t deserve it he amount of disagrees you will get for this. It’s quite true. Moral hypocrisy everywhere.

Most people here would love Joe Lewis to start pumping additional funds into the club for players etc. He’s hardly mr squeaky clean is he!!

Trix · Oct 11, 2021

WhiteStripe said:
You don’t deserve it he amount of disagrees you will get for this. It’s quite true. Moral hypocrisy everywhere.

Most people here would love Joe Lewis to start pumping additional funds into the club for players etc. He’s hardly mr squeaky clean is he!!

What's JL done, just so we can compare.

Leroy · Oct 11, 2021

Same morality mob will be having a go at Levi and Enid for not over spending come transfer window. Unfortunately football is now abt how much money u can spend, the more u spend the better ur chances of success

WhiteStripe · Oct 11, 2021

Trix said:
What's JL done, just so we can compare.

Well apart from the huge controversy around land grabs in South America, you don’t get to be in the position he’s in without shitting on a few people on the way up. I am in no way trying to say he’s a Murderous regime like the owners of Newcastle, but my point is that a lot of fans moan that there isn’t enough investment in the squad and want Joe Lewis to get his cheque book out and spend his money yet criticise Abramovich for doing just that.

*edit. Just to clarify, I am in no way supporting, condoning or comparing the Saudi takeover of Newcastle. That stands alone in isolation.

Dougal · Oct 11, 2021

Delboy75 · Oct 11, 2021

Heard they can only spend £200m before maxed out on FFP apparently. Imo it’s gonna take 5 years before in top 4 debate and maybe 10 before serious challengers. And is Stavely actually CEO, massive undertaking for someone that’s never run a football club before. It’s a colossal task, like having a high street cafe and turning into Starbucks.

Spurs_1981 · Oct 11, 2021

WhiteStripe said:
Well apart from the huge controversy around land grabs in South America, you don’t get to be in the position he’s in without shitting on a few people on the way up. I am in no way trying to say he’s a Murderous regime like the owners of Newcastle, but my point is that a lot of fans moan that there isn’t enough investment in the squad and want Joe Lewis to get his cheque book out and spend his money yet criticise Abramovich for doing just that.

Your'e risking arguing a moral absolutism, the regime that has aquired Newcastle is really so terrible that it doesn't have a direct equivelant in the football sphere (I'm slightly ignorant re; the owners of PSG & City so am happy to be corrected).

I don't doubt that Lewis has some unpalatable practices historically and of course there will be hypocrisy in peoples views but Lewis isn't using Spurs as a front to generate positive publicity for a brutal regime that many members of this board alone would be subjected to death purely for thier beliefs/sexual orientation etc;.

I think there is a conversation to be had about how we as consumers have indirectly allowed this to happen through apathy or ignorance or perceived powerlessness but it shouldn't be used to discredit real and important concerns and discussion over what this takeover represents.

WhiteStripe · Oct 11, 2021

Spurs_1981 said:
Your'e risking arguing a moral absolutism, the regime that has aquired Newcastle is really so terrible that it doesn't have a direct equivelant in the football sphere (I'm slightly ignorant re; the owners of PSG & City so am happy to be corrected).

I don't doubt that Lewis has some unpalatable practices historically and of course there will be hypocrisy in peoples views but Lewis isn't using Spurs as a front to generate positive publicity for a brutal regime that many members of this board alone would be subjected to death purely for thier beliefs/sexual orientation etc;.

I think there is a conversation to be had about how we as consumers have indirectly allowed this to happen through apathy or ignorance or perceived powerlessness but it shouldn't be used to discredit real and important concerns and discussion over what this takeover represents.

None of my comments relate to the ownership of Newcastle, maybe I should have made that clear.

Spurs_1981 · Oct 11, 2021

WhiteStripe said:
None of my comments relate to the ownership of Newcastle, maybe I should have made that clear.

My apologies, I made an assumption based on the thread topic. Mea culpa

WhiteStripe · Oct 11, 2021

Spurs_1981 said:
My apologies, I made an assumption based on the thread. Mea culpa

Yeah, my own stupidity for making it in the Newcastle buyout thread ?

Tucker · Oct 11, 2021

WhiteStripe said:
Well apart from the huge controversy around land grabs in South America, you don’t get to be in the position he’s in without shitting on a few people on the way up. I am in no way trying to say he’s a Murderous regime like the owners of Newcastle, but my point is that a lot of fans moan that there isn’t enough investment in the squad and want Joe Lewis to get his cheque book out and spend his money yet criticise Abramovich for doing just that.

It’s not even a comparison worthy making, it’s a complete false equivalence.

Yes fans want ENIC to invest a bit more in the squad, that doesn’t mean they’d be happy for a murderer to buy the club and financially dope us.

Saudi Arabia are on another level to anyone else currently in the sport. There’s a massive difference between a billionaire doing shitty things, and an absolute monarchy that executes women for having affairs and castrates gay people for simply having the audacity to exist. Frankly comparing one to the other in an attempt to call out criticism of this take over is a fucking disgrace.

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