FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

Timberwolf · Sep 29, 2021

Troy said:
You all say Fat Frank not good enough for Chelsea but didn't he finish top 4 in his first season while playing the youngsters? I agree the Chelsea connection is probably the main reason why he is not do-able but still a far better manager than Nuno.

And to that guy who says I am trolling..very certain I have been a supporter far longer than you.Just looking for a solution rather than just pointing out the obvious- that Nuno was a terrible hire for our club especially after sacking a better but similar Jose. I am even open to Ryan Mason-at least he would give us some hope in knowing the youngsters and maybe developing them.

Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, but Frank Lampard is perhaps the biggest legend of one of our top rivals and has explicitly said he wouldn't manage us. Also given how unpopular Levy is right now there's no chance in hell he tries to sell the fans on the idea of Fat Frank as our new saviour.

In short it ain't happening and no-ones ever going to agree with you on here - better just to let it go.

dude573 · Sep 29, 2021

With no one available to replace him and Conte completely out of the equation, I wouldn't even be surprised if Harry Redknapp came forward!

beats1 · Sep 29, 2021

Ghost Hardware said:
TBH i find this just as concerning, what on earth could FB have said to Levy to make him think he was a good idea. Why would FB think he would be a good choice. I guess he did pick Pirlo for Juve. i mentioned in another thread that FB is a fantastic scout and clearly a very good negotiator just not a good DoF, if only we could keep him out of the management decisions. I guess at least we know he's a good negotiator, but as you said before, if we were to sack Nuno, who would FB pick next! Seriously concerning, I can understand there is an element of better the devil you know.

FP has never worked with a non Italian coach(as a player or as a DoF) until Nuno, nor worked outside of Serie A

In his head, I think he just wanted to work with what he knows

Whereas the prospect of ETH, Potter or something else was foreign at least he can keep a good relationship with Mendes to want Nuno

beats1 · Sep 29, 2021

Troy said:
You all say Fat Frank not good enough for Chelsea but didn't he finish top 4 in his first season while playing the youngsters? I agree the Chelsea connection is probably the main reason why he is not do-able but still a far better manager than Nuno.

And to that guy who says I am trolling..very certain I have been a supporter far longer than you.Just looking for a solution rather than just pointing out the obvious- that Nuno was a terrible hire for our club especially after sacking a better but similar Jose. I am even open to Ryan Mason-at least he would give us some hope in knowing the youngsters and maybe developing them.

Fat Frank was shit at Derby, (coming from someone who goes to Derby matches)

Fat Frank, is an idiot and just a face whereas Jody Morris was the brains

Jody Morris believed his hype too much come second season

leray · Sep 29, 2021

I recently read a piece in a newsletter about managers (it was mostly about Ole being a below average manager) and the obvious example in any managerial appointments is Tuchel.

Most managerial changes basically result similar performances on underlying numbers. Tuchel could be the exception, not the rule:

Over the long run, most managers don’t matter all that much. Wages predict results a lot better than whoever is on the sideline, but there also clearly are some coaches who positively affect results and some who negatively affect results -- with most professional coaches falling somewhere in the valley between. Perhaps Chelsea went from one end of the curve to the other when they fired Frank Lampard and hired Thomas Tuchel, and that’s why they’ve experienced such a massive uptick in performance. Or maybe Tuchel really just is that good.

In short: Lampard was a bad manager for 20/21 Chelsea, whilst Tuchel is probably the best available. That's why they played much better after the change.

Where does it put us?

I think we can safely assume Nuno is not one of the best managers in the world.

Now the question is this. Is Nuno the average guy? We should then revert to the type and get results that keep us on par with our wage spend, so basically 6th - 7th.

That is considering we spend market rates on our players, not overpay them.

Can we get a manager that could realistically beat that?

It's a different story if Nuno is for us what Lampard was last season for Chelsea. A bad fit, no idea what to do when the results get worse. Basically, a bad coach.

Then getting even an average manager should help with our results.

I guess we should just wait and see if we have an average manager or simply a bad one.

kaz Hirai · Sep 29, 2021

Pirlo to teach the team how to midfield?

Really though all levy can do as I see it is:

Pay dizzying money for conte and bend the knee to him and his demands

Pay Brighton and potter dizzying money and be more hands off

Or wait and hope for poch at the end of the season, more likely the season after and muddle along with Nuno or various caretakers.

Or a inexperienced signing out of left field from another league

Not a great scenario to be in.

Harrier · Sep 29, 2021

If his training sessions are anything like his press conferences, I can see why the players may be uninspired! ??

spursfan77 · Sep 29, 2021

thebenjamin said:
Basically we hired a manager who plays 352 counter-attack and told him he can't play that system, he needs to play 4 at the back and be much more attacking than is his natural way of playing. Even though when he tried to do exactly that at his previous club, they went on such a losing streak that he had to revert to his old defensive system to prevent a relegation battle.

So having hired someone and prevented him from playing the only system he's good at tactically, and making him play in a way that is completely against his coaching philosophy, we are expecting it to be anything other than a total disaster. So we have a situation where after a matter of months in the job the manager's brain is so scrambled he thinks that going away to Arsenal and playing a suicidal, amateurish 4-1-5 is him fulfilling his brief.

Great work lads.

Great post. A lot has been said since the result sunday, but this is the first time that it has really been mentioned.

He needs to be strong enough now to do it his way. This is the 3 2 game we lost at home under Mourinho. Actually we cut through their midfield like a knife through butter. Hard to really tell because we were a mess but I remember being impressed by them on the day.

Haddock · Sep 29, 2021

Trix said:
As the poster says "at the time" your basis for saying he was the wrong appointment is using hindsight.

Yes, hindsight. We can’t decide wether a descriptive claim like ”X was the right appointment for Tottenham” is true or false without corresponding it with empirical evidence. Per definition we’re using hindsight when evaluating wether a decision was right or wrong, good or bad, true or false.

You are talking about justification. Levy may have had a justified belief that Mourinho was the right appointment. But that doesn’t change the fact, as in that he wasn’t the right appointment.

I’ve never understood why people on here constantly accuses one another of ”using hindsight”, when in fact hindsight is the only way we can pass judgement on the most ordinary statements and claims.

Anyway. Levy is the one who’s paid to act on his justified (…or not justified) beliefs and not me, and that’s why you can hold him accountable for the decisions he makes.

ShelfWatcher · Sep 29, 2021

good news some of the U23s will be involved

Announce Markanday

CornerPinDreamer · Sep 29, 2021

Just checking in to see if he’s been sacked yet and whether Daniel Dan Levy has found a way to get Conte in

no.. oh

ntmac82 · Sep 29, 2021

Harrier said:
If his training sessions are anything like his press conferences, I can see why the players may be uninspired! ??

I wish he would just bore off. So underwhelming

Troy · Sep 29, 2021

Freddie said:
Yeah you may be older than me. Congrats on that. Anyone who cast a rudimentary eye over Lampard and Mason would tell you why they would be terrible choices. Did you happen to see what Tuchel did with the exact same group of players after Lampard left? He was destroying the potential of one of the most talented squads in the world. Bringing through Mount and James doesn't make up for that.

Based on your logic Lampard and Mason would be more terrible than Nuno??? Ridiculous....And Tuchel is top tier of coaches and who Levy should have hired when he was available.Instead he hesitated and gave Jose more time while Abramovich bit the bullet and hired the BEST available manager.

That is what I am trying to say...who is the most realistic available option...can you please suggest your choice?? Seeing as you cast more than a rudimentary eye.

glacierSpurs · Sep 29, 2021

Quite please with Paratici in players transfer. But his appointment of the manager was so wrong. If Nuno is not leaving yet because it was an appointment from Paratici that will make him look bad, I would rather both of them leave together. Can't take any more bore fest and shit stats from Nuno plus ridiculous managerial recommendations from Paratici.

Mark_147 · Sep 29, 2021

Harrier said:
If his training sessions are anything like his press conferences, I can see why the players may be uninspired! ??

Like how the same players complained about poch working them too hard in training, then complained mourinho wasn't working them hard enough.

spids · Sep 29, 2021

mmidgers said:
Why do we have to be careful? If he's not up to the job he needs to go irrespective of who hired him.

I think the point is that Fab has to be the one to say he needs to go. Levy 'meddling' in the football side will just make things worse. I think the best we can hope for is that Paratici is already working on next seasons manager and summer transfer targets.

dace · Sep 29, 2021

fortworthspur said:
we arent getting relegated.

Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

BUT, if we get dragged into a dogfight, do those players look like they are up for it?

Would hate to have to see!

spids · Sep 29, 2021

I would be a lot happier if Nuno reverts to a 3-4-3 and picked the team on merit. If that means dropping senior players like Kane then so be it - he was an embarrassment on Sunday with as many touches as out subs who only played 1/4 of the time. At least Nuno would have a system he knows inside out and can actually coach. Stupid team selection and tactics from Nuno though and shows just what a mess of April - July Levy made.

Lloris
Sanchez Romero Davies
Royal Skipp Højbjerg Reguillon
Moura Son Bergwijn

Of course, Romero and Lo Celso will be off to Argentina again and have to miss another 10 days after the international break - maybe a reason why Nuno did not select either player last week.

The only way to get Levy to invest more in the team is not to go to the games and not to spend money in the spurs shop or the stadium. One he realises the fans will not put up with a team that is not challenging for top 4 and trophies hopefully he will either sell up or invest more.

mmidgers · Sep 29, 2021

spids said:
I think the point is that Fab has to be the one to say he needs to go. Levy 'meddling' in the football side will just make things worse. I think the best we can hope for is that Paratici is already working on next seasons manager and summer transfer targets.

I would hope that if a meeting was had all parties could agree that Nuno's appointment isn't exactly living up to whatever expectations paratici had for him. Surely paratici could see this. I mean, we had no midfield against arsenal and just played long ball. He's been a disaster

whitesocks · Sep 29, 2021

spursfan77 said:
Great post. A lot has been said since the result sunday, but this is the first time that it has really been mentioned.

He needs to be strong enough now to do it his way. This is the 3 2 game we lost at home under Mourinho. Actually we cut through their midfield like a knife through butter. Hard to really tell because we were a mess but I remember being impressed by them on the day.

That was one of his better press conferences.
Of course his honesty about insisting the players continue to head the ball in training, against premiership advice, may see the club sued for millions in 30 years time. And this video will be exhibit A.
So it was far from perfect.

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