Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

dontcallme said:

Because if the teams interested in him are Belgian sides whose higher earners are usually in around £25k then despite wanting to leave a player might not take such a drop from £80k.

I have no doubt a lot of our players would like to leave, that doesn’t mean they’ll take huge salary cuts though.

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ButchCassidy said:

Paul Jiggins (can’t remember if he’s the reliable one at the Sun) says we want 25m for Toby, certainly that rules out any Belgium clubs.

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sidford said:

if Toby stays we could sell both dier and Sanchez for example and keep him as a cheap back up option. There's a lot of factors to be taken into account on this one. Personally I wouldn't pay him off to leave as we can use him over next 2 years when needed, sell 2 other CBs to raise money for starting CB's and he's a good pro.
Let's face it, building a squad is a huge complicated endeavour with a load of factors to consider so whether he will leave is still very up in the air.

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QuasiModo80 said:

My point is if we want him to stay, why pay his wages for him to get the move HE wants?

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dontcallme said:

For the reason I said.

It's not about paying him the full salary, but subsidising his salary to get a declining player off his books is better for us than paying full salary for a player who feels it is time to move on and taking up a squad space.

If we want to rebuild the squad then we need to free up spaces.

Of course we shouldn't have to, but that's irrelevant in the real world.

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QuasiModo80 said:

So your premise is that we want him to go, in which case I agree that we might have to subsidise his wages.

My premise is that HE wants to go, but we are more than happy for him to stay as he is our best central defender at the moment. On that premise, we should not subsidise his wages.

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dontcallme said:

But the premise is completely irrelevant.

We have a player who is on the decline and it's likely that within the next season or so will struggle with the pace of the Prem more. He also wants to leave, so might be a bit unmotivated.

But with the way football works with all the money many players will stay where they don't particularly want to be if the difference in money is big enough.

So option 1 is we keep an ageing player on £80k a week who doesn't particularly want to be here taking up a squad space.

Option 2 is a team wants him but cannot cover his full salary so we pay part of his wages and get a squad space freed up and part of his salary off our books.

Option 3 is a team who can afford him and his salary come in.

Option 4 is perfect world syndrome where everything happens the way I feel it should.

Option 4 is not real. Option 3 is what all parties want but might not happen.

So if options 1 and 2 are available to us then for the good of the club we should go with option 2. Premises are irrelevant to a real world situation.

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QuasiModo80 said:

I give up.

I want Toby to stay. Therefore I think if he wants to go, against ehat would be the best interest of the club, I would reluctantly allow it. But dont want to subsidise his move.

That is the real world. You disagree and think it is in the best interest of the club to pay him off to get rid of him, and you are entitled to your opinion.

Lets leave it there?

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dontcallme said:

So your view is if he wants to leave but doesn't agree to a pay cut we should keep him on our books at £0k a week for the next 2 years?

I feel this is bad for the club and if there's an option to subsidise his salary to get him off the books we should reluctantly agree.

We have just released Danny Rose on a free transfer after making 12, mostly poor, league appearances in the last 2 seasons. I have to believe as a club we'd have been better paying him off and saving some money in those last 2 seasons.

All onions though.

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QuasiModo80 said:

So we know Kane wants to leave. You think we should accept what ever it takes to get him out of the club as well?

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dontcallme said:

People have tried making this false comparison before.

Alderweireld is an ageing, declining player with little transfer value and a high salary.

Kane is arguably the best striker in the world in his prime. If Kane wants to leave then we should listen to offers but still have a player of considerable worth.

Really not remotely comparable to Alderweireld.

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QuasiModo80 said:

Lets wait and see how this pans out. If we end up selling him I expect us not to subsidise his wages, but we will know in time I guess.

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ButchCassidy said:

Paul Jiggins (can’t remember if he’s the reliable one at the Sun) says we want 25m for Toby, certainly that rules out any Belgium clubs.

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GazzaB said:

Seen reports Paratici has set £25m price tag for Toby! I love Toby but if I'm an interested club, I'm not even coming to the table at that price. Ridiculous, there's no value at all for anyone at that price.

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