Eric Dier

Archibald&Crooks · Oct 14, 2020

Thenewcat said:
The scale of the paranoia on here about England call ups is quite something.

It's a sign that currently all is good on the Spurs front. So much so that SC is casting it's net far and wide looking for a scapegoat

Right now it's Southgate. That'll change, we start playing games again soon.

Mattspurs1982 · Oct 14, 2020

Thenewcat said:
He was already with England and it’s their doctors who will have said he isn’t good to go. The scale of the paranoia on here about England call ups is quite something. Thus far there is no evidence Southgate is cavalier with player health.

last year was so awful for injuries, pretty much ruining the run we were building towards top 4, understandable that we’re nervous of a repeat given our luck!

rambu · Oct 14, 2020

Thenewcat said:
He was already with England and it’s their doctors who will have said he isn’t good to go. The scale of the paranoia on here about England call ups is quite something. Thus far there is no evidence Southgate is cavalier with player health.

Jose Mourinho criticises England manager Gareth Southgate as he reveals Manchester United were not informed Phil Jones was given painkilling injections for his injury

Jose Mourinho attacks Gareth Southgate over Phil Jones' injury

Jose Mourinho has launched a fresh attack on Gareth Southgate, insisting Manchester United were not informed that Phil Jones was given six painkilling injections for a thigh injury.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Iirc at the time Southgate said Jones was the best England defender, and he had Jones took 6 shots, for 2 friendlies. Some manU fans claim Jones was never the same after that.

Thenewcat · Oct 14, 2020

rambu said:
Jose Mourinho attacks Gareth Southgate over Phil Jones' injury

Jose Mourinho has launched a fresh attack on Gareth Southgate, insisting Manchester United were not informed that Phil Jones was given six painkilling injections for a thigh injury.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Iirc at the time Southgate said Jones was the best England defender, and he had Jones took 6 shots, for 2 friendlies. Some manU fans claim Jones was never the same after that.

Unhappy as I was about clicking on a mail link, I did so, and if you read the story there is nothing there at all. He didn’t ‘attack’ Southgate or suggest he did anything wrong. He was just following his own agenda which is fine. So we have one bullshit story from 3 years ago

Basil Brush · Oct 14, 2020

Do we know if Eric is injured?

If it common knowledge, I am sorry as we get little premier league news here in Australia.

Thenewcat · Oct 14, 2020

Basil Brush said:
Do we know if Eric is injured?

If it common knowledge, I am sorry as we get little premier league news here in Australia.

Minor hamstring strain apparently. No word on whether he’ll be available at the weekend

Ickle73 · Oct 14, 2020

rambu said:
Jose Mourinho attacks Gareth Southgate over Phil Jones' injury

Jose Mourinho has launched a fresh attack on Gareth Southgate, insisting Manchester United were not informed that Phil Jones was given six painkilling injections for a thigh injury.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Iirc at the time Southgate said Jones was the best England defender, and he had Jones took 6 shots, for 2 friendlies. Some manU fans claim Jones was never the same after that.

Did they inject his head by mistake then?

Basil Brush · Oct 14, 2020

Thenewcat said:
Minor hamstring strain apparently. No word on whether he’ll be available at the weekend

Thanks

rambu · Oct 14, 2020

Thenewcat said:
Unhappy as I was about clicking on a mail link, I did so, and if you read the story there is nothing there at all. He didn’t ‘attack’ Southgate or suggest he did anything wrong. He was just following his own agenda which is fine. So we have one bullshit story from 3 years ago

I had to say I didn't read it as I just googled the keywords and randomly picked a link to post so yes, sorry mate.
However from that incident, we did learn 1) Southgate did risk his player before. Six injections for a friendly, which Jose said for 17 years as a coach at the time he's never heard of that being done. 2) Been there done that, Jose has every right to question Southgate's current handling on our players. They had an exchange on the same issue before, maybe and probably not too much to it, but there was a history, and it ended badly last time.

José Mourinho says Phil Jones had six injections in thigh to play for England
This article is more than 2 years old
• Manchester United manager asks why defender played Germany friendly

Phil Jones winces during England’s friendly against Germany, where he hobbled off with an injury that keeps him out of Manchester United’s match against Newcastle. Photograph: McManus/BPI/Rex/Shutterstock

Jamie Jackson and Dominic Fifield
Fri 17 Nov 2017 17.30 EST

José Mourinho has made clear his frustration at the England setup’s handling of Phil Jones after revealing the defender had been given six local anaesthetic injections in his thigh before last week’s friendly against Germany.
Jones started as England’s most-capped player for the goalless draw at Wembley, but hobbled off midway through the first half with a recurrence of an injury first sustained in the Premier League defeat at Huddersfield Town in mid-October. Gareth Southgate, whose handling of Danny Drinkwater’s decision not to join the senior squad has also drawn criticism of sorts from Antonio Conte, duly released the United centre-half but, having missed the draw with Brazil on Tuesday, Jones has been ruled out of Newcastle United’s visit to Old Trafford.
“With Phil Jones the strange thing is that I have been a manager since 2000 and, in 17 years as a manager, I don’t have one single player that had injections of anaesthetic to play a friendly,” said Mourinho. “Never. I am not an angel and I had players injected to play official matches, crucial matches, but a friendly? To get six local anaesthetic injections to play a friendly, I’ve never heard of that. But Phil Jones had it and had it before the match, and after 25 minutes he was out and tomorrow he is out.”

Asked if he had spoken to Southgate or the Football Association to ascertain why Jones had so many injections, Mourinho said: “No. I am just telling a fact. He was injected in the afternoon of the match [last Friday]. He didn’t feel good during the warm-up. Between the warm-up and the start of the match he had five more local injections to play the friendly. I have nothing more to say.”
The FA’s medics are content that Jones returned to Carrington in the same condition in which he had arrived at St George’s Park, and had given their counterparts at United notice of their intention to give the player the course of injections – considered standard in pain relief – with no objections raised. Indeed, even the 25-year-old had acknowledged in the buildup to the Germany friendly that pain-management was a continuing concern.

José Mourinho says Phil Jones had six injections in thigh to play for England

José Mourinho has made clear his frustration at the England set-up’s handling of Phil Jones after revealing the defender had been given six local anaesthetic injections before the friendly against Germany

www.theguardian.com

rambu · Oct 14, 2020

Jose's response a few days ago might also be sort of a reference/reminder to Southgate of the Phil Jones incident?

“For my friend Gary, I can promise that until the end of the season I don’t play Harry Kane one minute of any friendly match.”

Mourinho says Kane won’t play friendlies as Southgate exchange continues

With fixtures coming thick and fast for Spurs, Mourinho had called on Southgate to protect Kane by not playing him in all of England’s upcoming games, including a friendly with Wales and Nations League matches against Belgium and Denmark in October.

www.hindustantimes.com

Thenewcat · Oct 14, 2020

rambu said:
I had to say I didn't read it as I just googled the keywords and randomly picked a link to post so yes, sorry mate.
However from that incident, we did learn 1) Southgate did risk his player before. Six injections for a friendly, which Jose said for 17 years as a coach at the time he's never heard of that being done. 2) Been there done that, Jose has every right to question Southgate's current handling on our players. They had an exchange on the same issue before, maybe and probably not too much to it, but there was a history, and it ended badly last time.

José Mourinho says Phil Jones had six injections in thigh to play for England

José Mourinho has made clear his frustration at the England set-up’s handling of Phil Jones after revealing the defender had been given six local anaesthetic injections before the friendly against Germany

www.theguardian.com

From the guardian article you linked:

The FA’s medics are content that Jones returned to Carrington in the same condition in which he had arrived at St George’s Park, and had given their counterparts at United notice of their intention to give the player the course of injections – considered standard in pain relief – with no objections raised. Indeed, even the 25-year-old had acknowledged in the buildup to the Germany friendly that pain-management was a continuing concern.

Jose was stirring the pot, but it’s still a non story from 3 years ago for me. Besides, injuring Phil Jones should count as doing a club manager a favour

Thenewcat · Oct 14, 2020

rambu said:
Jose's response a few days ago might also be sort of a reference/reminder to Southgate of the Phil Jones incident?

Mourinho says Kane won’t play friendlies as Southgate exchange continues

With fixtures coming thick and fast for Spurs, Mourinho had called on Southgate to protect Kane by not playing him in all of England’s upcoming games, including a friendly with Wales and Nations League matches against Belgium and Denmark in October.

www.hindustantimes.com

2 things worth mentioning.

1). Tonight isn’t a friendly
2). Since club teams don’t play friendlies during the season it’s a bit of an empty promise isn’t it?

I’ve got no problem with Jose keeping the pressure on, he’s just doing his job. But this really is the press trying to keep a non story alive

ClintEastwould · Oct 14, 2020

rambu said:
Jose Mourinho attacks Gareth Southgate over Phil Jones' injury

Jose Mourinho has launched a fresh attack on Gareth Southgate, insisting Manchester United were not informed that Phil Jones was given six painkilling injections for a thigh injury.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Iirc at the time Southgate said Jones was the best England defender, and he had Jones took 6 shots, for 2 friendlies. Some manU fans claim Jones was never the same after that.

That alone is a sackable offense

jonnyp · Oct 14, 2020

Ickle73 said:
Did they inject his head by mistake then?

Can't really blame any doctors for trying to cure whatever affliction is causing him to look like:

buckley · Oct 14, 2020

I would not mind saying that Dier must have been pleased to have missed that game as the pundits would have found some way of blaming him for tonights defeat .

Blueluigi6 · Oct 18, 2020

Need him back soon, any ETA from Mourinho?

cjbyid · Oct 19, 2020

Blueluigi6 said:
Need him back soon, any ETA from Mourinho?

He was a doubt for today so not to long hopefully.

Definitely could've used his physicality today.

bubble07 · Oct 19, 2020

Knee jerk maybe but we need to see Roden Dier given a run out

whitesocks · Oct 19, 2020

If Dier had played today, and Kane hadn't run out of steam, then it would have been a different result today.
Southgate is still shit of the week for all the reasons already stated.

Shadydan · Oct 19, 2020

bubble07 said:
Knee jerk maybe but we need to see Roden Dier given a run out

Until they make a mistake then everyone calls for Tanganga to be given a run out.

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