Harry Kane

easley91 said:

He chased after a couple defenders and held it up well in the corner. At the very least not as injured as several made him out to be.

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Yeh he's not injured though, he just got cramp in training by the sounds of things, so took a few days off as a precaution.

easley91 said:

He chased after a couple defenders and held it up well in the corner. At the very least not as injured as several made him out to be.

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You mean the reporters that reported it in the first place? That’s all anyone was going off.

Dov67 said:

because he's contracted to us. We developed him, we trained, we pay him £200k/week, we suffer potentially tens of millions of losses in forfeited champions league money should he get injured playing a bullshit nothing friendly against Wales, and be unavailable to us for several weeks or months.

Are you saying Southgate's attitude should be that that THFC can go f**k themselves, I'll do what I want? If that is his attitude, then our club and every other major Prem club will not cooperate and look to pull players at every opportunity.

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That's not Southgates attitude though, and the fact we trained him has nothing to do with the ecosystem of how football works. Good players get called up to the national team. If they are fit enough to play then it's the national teams choice to play them or not, the club isn't the question. I'm not arguing that Southgate should play Kane if he is injured, I'm arguing against this idea that southgate and England can't be trusted and the idea that they are saying THFC can 'f**k themselves' when they are not, rather they are simply prioritising the national team. which is absolutely what they should be doing as someone employed by the national team.

The deal in football is players get called up for international football and it is then up to the national team to decide if they want to play them or not. That's the deal. A club can be 'difficult' but the clubs have no power in this case. It's an obligation for clubs to release players to national teams. We don't 'own' Kane any more than England own Kane. He is a real person who isn't 'owned' by anybody. He is contracted to us and that contract is ratified by FIFA with the condition that they are released to play international football. If your player is good they get called up for their national team, and the club has to accept and manage the fact that the player might get injured and fatigued in the national team. That's just part of the parcel of football.

I would not expect us to even consider the national team in if we play Kane or not, and visa versa, I would expect England to do the same. To think otherwise is extremely naive. For what it's worth England and Tottenham have shared interests in keeping Kane fit, there is little advantage for anybody to be gained by playing him 'injured' and that's what we saw today, Kane played a small part in the match, and probably only really came on because Kane himself is probably desperate to play.

The example of Wales is weird, because I'm not arguing at all. I'm just saying it's naive and hypocritical to think that the national team should be taking an active interest in protecting our players.

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If I give you a car that I own and let you use it but not to drive it recklessly. Yet you go away and drive it recklessly and damage it knowing full well it cannot handle recklessness. Im the one that suffers, not you because you give it back to me and youre on your merry way.

I am sure Jose is sitting there and only cares about what happens with us and our players, and im seeing it from our view point and thats all i really care about. We own the asset, we pay the player and we need the player for a lot longer and the ramifications are far for damaging to us than it is for England.

Anyways it is what it is... as i said before, im sure its not that bad and im just jumping to conclusions.

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OK the problem with that analogy is that England are not borrowing the car. They have an equal and entrenched right to that car. England do pay compensation to the clubs for using the players, but they don't actually have to. If you are a football player you have a right to accept an international call up and the club has an obligation to give that player up.

Even your example you can still flip it the other way. It's this notion that a player should have more obligation to the club because we pay their wages and they play more games for the club, but this isn't how football works. As said before, we have no more right to Kane then England do. He is contracted to us, but that contract to be ratified has an obligation to release him from international duty. The whole analogy is wrong because it is a misunderstanding of the ecosystem of football.

Similarly, the fact that it might be more damaging for us than England is entirely irrelevant to the decision making process of England managers, because they have just as much right to the car, and use it as they see fit, as we do.

Mourinho knows what he is doing, and it's spin and an attempt to put pressure on England. He is after his own interests, as he should be but he knows that creating discourse like this, where England is the enemy to our players, is helpful to the club in applying pressure. But, if Southgate is competent at his job he shouldn't buckle or change his decision making process because of what mourinho says or thinks, because his interests should be what is best for England and anything otherwise is incompetence. Again, interests often match, and keeping the clubs happy, and certainly keeping players fit, can be of great benefit to England but if available England have just as much of a right in choosing to play Kane unfit as tottenham do.

C0YS said:

OK the problem with that analogy is that England are not borrowing the car. They have an equal and entrenched right to that car. England do pay compensation to the clubs for using the players, but they don't actually have to. If you are a football player you have a right to accept an international call up and the club has an obligation to give that player up.

Even your example you can still flip it the other way. It's this notion that a player should have more obligation to the club because we pay their wages and they play more games for the club, but this isn't how football works. As said before, we have no more right to Kane then England do. He is contracted to us, but that contract to be ratified has an obligation to release him from international duty. The whole analogy is wrong because it is a misunderstanding of the ecosystem of football.

Similarly, the fact that it might be more damaging for us than England is entirely irrelevant to the decision making process of England managers, because they have just as much right to the car, and use it as they see fit, as we do.

Mourinho knows what he is doing, and it's spin and an attempt to put pressure on England. He is after his own interests, as he should be but he knows that creating discourse like this, where England is the enemy to our players, is helpful to the club in applying pressure. But, if Southgate is competent at his job he shouldn't buckle or change his decision making process because of what mourinho says or thinks, because his interests should be what is best for England and anything otherwise is incompetence. Again, interests often match, and keeping the clubs happy, and certainly keeping players fit, can be of great benefit to England but if available England have just as much of a right in choosing to play Kane unfit as tottenham do.

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Granted but the club assumes all the risk. As a poster mentioned previously, if Kane gets injured, hey ho here you are Spurs... many apologies and here is the whatever amount they have to pay if a player gets injured under them... I dont think they do or should have a smuch of a right given we own the asset and we pay the wages that said I know where youre coming from.

I agree that Kane should also take and shoulder responsibility to say - sorry not too happy with my muscle/injury and dont want to rush it but lets be honest Kane will never say that - he wants to play every game.

Anyways I think i was playing devils advocate which led to this in the sense that I dont think it was or is a big deal and he seemed ok today although was very much out the game which is understandable given he came on as a sub when we were going to sit back after going 2-1 up. He didnt expend too much energy although I suspect he will start on Wednesday along with Sancho...

Jose is right in putting pressure, because he is under pressure himself to win and knows without Kane we wont achieve what we want to achieve.

We are all a bit nervy as Spurs fans which is understandable.

Southgate has 3 in-form CFs to pick from.

Maybe he realises that by starting Kane every game in qualifiers/friendlies/Nations League, other strong options will be unprepared if/when they are called upon for .

Maybe he also realises that players can't play 2 or 3 games per week every week and that overusing a player could cost him the goodwill of both the player and their club. Kane had played more club football than Calvert-Lewin or Ings and was clearly in most need of a rest.
With all 3 in such good form, he can confidentally give them all opportunities. Next international break, if Calvert-Lewin or Ings is injured or out of form, I'm sure we'll see more of Kane.

My guess is that Kane is not injured and will start the next game. I would also guess that other players will be rotated in, so that no one is overused over the course of the 3 internationals.

Neon_Knight_ said:

Southgate has 3 in-form CFs to pick from.

Maybe he realises that by starting Kane every game in qualifiers/friendlies/Nations League, other strong options will be unprepared if/when they are called upon for .

Maybe he also realises that players can't play 2 or 3 games per week every week and that overusing a player could cost him the goodwill of both the player and their club. Kane had played more club football than Calvert-Lewin or Ings and was clearly in most need of a rest.
With all 3 in such good form, he can confidentally give them all opportunities. Next international break, if Calvert-Lewin or Ings is injured or out of form, I'm sure we'll see more of Kane.

My guess is that Kane is not injured and will start the next game. I would also guess that other players will be rotated in, so that no one is overused over the course of the 3 internationals.

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No reason to guess because as stated kane was fatigued and came off the bench.

I love this new video of Kane showing his pure passing side. I reckon he's the 2nd best passer in the league behind KDB. The guy is awesome. I love that one of his strengths from his time in the academy continued to be a major part of his game and get even better. Watching these videos made me think about how many assists he should have if other people could finish. He is literally putting it on a plate for some people. A couple of my favourites are the one to Rose against Barca when he's not even looking and the one to Son at 2:30



Sadly that compilation doesn't have one of his best passes from his first season to Mason. I'm pretty sure most of our fans didn't realise he had that side to his game and I remember it was the first time I saw it in the first team. Fortunately someone caught it in the crowd.

I stopped watching England when there were no Spurs players, then I was proud when we had a huge number in the squad
with Walker,Rose,etc.. and now i just want to protect our own interests!

IGSpur said:

I love this new video of Kane showing his pure passing side. I reckon he's the 2nd best passer in the league behind KDB. The guy is awesome. I love that one of his strengths from his time in the academy continued to be a major part of his game and get even better. Watching these videos made me think about how many assists he should have if other people could finish. He is literally putting it on a plate for some people. A couple of my favourites are the one to Rose against Barca when he's not even looking and the one to Son at 2:30



Sadly that compilation doesn't have one of his best passes from his first season to Mason. I'm pretty sure most of our fans didn't realise he had that side to his game and I remember it was the first time I saw it in the first team. Fortunately someone caught it in the crowd.

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Reminds me of the videos my dad had me watching as a kid to educate me on a certain other Spurs academy product...

One of the first things he did under Poch was this peach of a pass to set up Diers match winner vs Hammers at Upton Park:



And there was a period when he was at his most shot hungry that I found myself thinking that "these days, he'd probably have a go himself from there instead of playing the pass."
Great to see that he's turned up his inner playmaker a few notches since then.

Seemed incredibly pointless bringing him on for last 30 minutes personally, would have been better saving him for the mid-week qualifier, although DCL is in top form so may also still be a good time to play him (although Everton might not be happy him starting all three games!).

I understand arguments about him being star player but also in England best interest to make sure he stays fit and isn’t injured through wear and tear.

Hopefully how we finally have another centre forward (so happy... ??) Jose will also manage his game time a bit more, which I’m sure he will.

I always felt Poch overplayed him a bit.

The discussion has evolved over the years.

What are we discussing now?

Best striker ever in the pl? (Goals to game ratio only matched by Thierry Henry, probably between those two)

Best English striker in the modern era (ever)? (Shearer the only competition) (before the pl - greaves?)

Best striker in the world (Lewandowski)?

Best player in the premiership? (Kdb?)

Best player in the world on current form?

Just a reminder that as long as he continues this way he will become the top goalscorer (ever) in the pl and the top goalscorer ever for England as well. Golden boot winner on top.

That's not mentioning that he is now the best playmaker in the world.

A ridiculous talent.

Had a top notch lunch ?

It’s all kicking off in the papers again about Kane’s fitness.



I think Kane needs to start being smarter with his body and if he has been having muscle problems then he needs to stop pushing his body to play in games, it is really short sighted.

samspurs92 said:

It’s all kicking off in the papers again about Kane’s fitness.



I think Kane needs to start being smarter with his body and if he has been having muscle problems then he needs to stop pushing his body to play in games, it is really short sighted.

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Southgate’s comments suggest Kane has been a bit cautious with it but the England set-up are telling him to just push through it. Seems negligent on England’s part rather than foolhardy on Kane’s (on this occasion at least).

samspurs92 said:

It’s all kicking off in the papers again about Kane’s fitness.



I think Kane needs to start being smarter with his body and if he has been having muscle problems then he needs to stop pushing his body to play in games, it is really short sighted.

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Would be nice if England and Southgate felt the same way when Sterling or any of the Liverpool boys pull out.

Absolutely spot on that they need to stop pushing him. Just look at Rooney, burnt out by 30.

rossdapep said:

Would be nice if England and Southgate felt the same way when Sterling or any of the Liverpool boys pull out.

Absolutely spot on that they need to stop pushing him. Just look at Rooney, burnt out by 30.

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I think that's just due to him starting at 16. Owen was the same.

I'll be very happy if Vinicius is able to really take some load off Kane's shoulders and allow him to have rests at strategic points in the season. We've been running him into the ground over the last few seasons and it can't go on. Kudos to Jose Mourinho for putting his foot down and insisting on a striker being brought in.