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spursfan77

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Jose really puts the pressure on his medical team. I know he wants and needs his best players to play, but it's not like the medical staff are trying to exaggerate the extent of the injuries. I felt sorry for the guy when he was just trying to let Jose know that Son would need to have a scan on his arm.

I think that happens between physios and managers the country and world over. I remember speaking to a retired physio who’d worked in a PL club years ago and he said it was the case then anyway.
 

taidgh

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I think that happens between physios and managers the country and world over. I remember speaking to a retired physio who’d worked in a PL club years ago and he said it was the case then anyway.
Agree. Was my experience working with a club here in the US. Manager was always pushing players to play injured and pushing the physios to allow them to play injured.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I would cut jose slack in this instance. He seemed frustrated and just angry at the situation. I mean how cna you achieve your goals if you can't score any...
Hopefully and understand why he was frustrated just he fell out with the Chelsea physio woman before and don’t want a repeat of that at spurs as think he’s doing a good job
 

Sweech

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Fair enough.

I might have mentioned it before, but Danny reminds me of so many people I've worked with in the past - those who have "me versus the world" attitudes (possibly paranoia, who knows). A real chip-on-the-shoulder.

Whilst what they say might not necessarily be factually incorrect, that whole attitude is just repellent in a team environment. There's a big difference between being a balls-out and honest confrontational leader, and acting like you're just plain angry at the world. You see guys like that a lot in life and they get angry that they aren't getting the promotions or perks, but the reality is that you have to not come across as frictional, but more 'passionate' in these things.

It's weird because the anecdotes about being the 'teacher pet' suggest that he had the right mix not so long ago. It seems to have been that Sun interview about 3 years ago, or that injury he had, that changed him
I think you’d find it hard because I believe at the top level of sports that is very likely the dominant personality. I actually think it often takes that type of personality to get to that level. Where you illogically very rarely blame yourself and only use those things to drive you on to become better.

People like Michael Jordan seem like incredibly unpleasant people to be around because of that trait but it’s arguably what makes them what they are.
 

ClintEastwould

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Thought it was very good how he framed it. "They're going to target Toby because they know he's on a yellow so you target their three players on yellows." Basically, be ****s because they're going to be ****s. Good psychology right there from Jose because he made it acceptable and logical to act the ****.

I'd imagine there is tonnes of great stuff from him we don't get to see because him and the club don't want it in the public domain. There's no way Jose is as light on tactics as the programme suggests.

Or maybe just maybe all this time Jose has been pretty much just a Portuguese Harry Redknapp lol
 

rossdapep

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Regarding tactics.

I think you've got to remember that Jose stated numerous times that he didn't have the time to work on a lot of aspects on the training ground as he mostly had 2 or 3 days before another game. It wasn't until some point in January in which he was able to do that but injuries kept getting in the way.

The first time we started seeing real tactical implementation was at the restart. So I imagine that will become more prominent then.

For the first month or so Jose was just tweaking and working on morale - so that's why you saw more 'inspiring' speeches. From December til March he was mostly dealing with players gettong injured and how to rotate, so again nothing too tactical when you are bringing players in from the dark or are severely limited. You can't do a lot so just work on attitude and one system.

I reckon we'll see a little more tactical insight in the final part.
 

punkisback

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Might help you a little bit about the egg head scout.
He was on our radar too! Redknapp sent Sherwood and Ferdinand to Amsterdam to scout him; but they probably turned the event into a lads jolly and didn't do a proper job. apparently too similar to VDV...
 

nailsy

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I would cut jose slack in this instance. He seemed frustrated and just angry at the situation. I mean how cna you achieve your goals if you can't score any...

Both times the medical guy came over and interrupted Jose while he was doing something else. Maybe his irritation was more to do with that combined with the bad news.
 

ClintEastwould

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Harry is still very underrated by Tottenham fans, he was a very good manager for us

Of course our best manager after Poch for many years. I just meant in terms of management style. AON makes Jose out to seem as if he’s nothing more than a man manager and motivator.
 

tototoner

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Of course our best manager after Poch for many years. I just meant in terms of management style. AON makes Jose out to seem as if he’s nothing more than a man manager and motivator.

Yeah know what u mean, I still think this documentary is very sanitised. Cannot see any non Tottenham fans having much interest in it at all
 

spursgirls

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I still can't get over the look of inner peace and contentment that Lloris has while some bloke is messing with his arse cheek.

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He looks like he's squeezing a spot. lol
 

Spurs_Bear

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Harry is still very underrated by Tottenham fans, he was a very good manager for us
Correct, the job he did for the first couple of years certainly, and the unfortunate throwaway jokey comment when talking about Pav's winning goal against Liverpool and saying he told him to "run around a bit" through his interpreter, sort of stuck with him and was used as the stick to bash him with whenever things didn't work out. Was the right decision for him to move on though, similar to Poch really.

I feel hopeful though that the man that replaced Poch is a lot more up to the job than the one that replaced H :cautious:
 

C0YS

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Of course our best manager after Poch for many years. I just meant in terms of management style. AON makes Jose out to seem as if he’s nothing more than a man manager and motivator.
That is, in fairness a large part of what he is. Jose does do tactics, of course but he doesn't tend to do anything complicated, nor does he excessively coach players tactical solutions to every problem. Historically Jose was known for training players by giving them problems but not solutions, allowing players to use their instinct in real game situations, rather than heavily coached attacking play.

I mean it is true that Jose is known for being a very reactive manager who is big on analysing the opposition and making tactical tweeks in response to that. But I think this idea that he is a super tactical manager is exaggerated.
 

Syn_13

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I think that happens between physios and managers the country and world over. I remember speaking to a retired physio who’d worked in a PL club years ago and he said it was the case then anyway.

I knew one of the youth team doctors from Arsenal a few years back when I was working in private healthcare. This was around the time when Wilshere had made it big but was building his bad rep for being injury prone. He told me how the guy will constantly have injury issues because Wenger rushed him through the youth setup and every time he'd start his recovery Wenger would cut it short. Apparently he was notorious for forcing players back early. Happened with Diaby as well.
 

Shanks

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I wouldn’t get too het up about the lack of tactics shown in the documentary, trust me the players will be doing lots of tactical work - it won’t be shown for the obvious reasons that it would give every other opponent a tactical advantage over us.
 
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