Dele Alli at Everton

ILS · Jan 2, 2020

Kiedis said:
Liverpool at home in 2017 is the absolutely first that springs to mind, since that's one of his best games ever IMO.

As for assists, it's an obvious indicator of someone who creates chances for teammates. Some passes that create chances will be two yard passes, other will be perfectly weighted through balls. Alli does both quite frequently.

I agree the game was one of his better games but the whole team played well and I wouldn't say his performance stood out.

He does play a nice through ball but that is one every two games. I actually think there is a place in the squad for him, I don't think the team should be built around him and he should not be guaranteed his place.

Gbspurs · Jan 2, 2020

Seems to be an unpopular opinion these days but u think you are all nutters. For me Dele and Kane are the last 2 players you should sell. In fact you should build your side around them. Find players which compliment both and we will be a much better side. Getting rid of any talent and just having athletes in the side is part of why we are currently struggling.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Jan 2, 2020

Gbspurs said:
Seems to be an unpopular opinion these days but u think you are all nutters. For me Dele and Kane are the last 2 players you should sell. In fact you should build your side around them. Find players which compliment both and we will be a much better side. Getting rid of any talent and just having athletes in the side is part of why we are currently struggling.

Who said anything about getting athletes in?

We need better footballers than Dele! His passing is poor, his control is not good enough, his ball retention is absolutely shocking.

You simply cannot build a functional attack around a player who isn't good enough to act as the hub of the side and continually gives the ball away cheaply.

He can be a squad player, he could be accommodated wider if needed but he should not be the central part of our attack.

Back in the day when we were excellent, Alli still had these issues but they were softened by the fact we had the two best fullbacks in the league and a Wanyama/Dembele double pivot. This meant when Alli gave the ball away cheaply we would very quickly recover possession again. Eriksen also had creative freedom because of the fullbacks and double pivot, which allowed him to dictate the play from a floating AM position.

Those days are gone, Alli should not be the pivotal cog of our team, he simply doesn't contribute enough over 90 mins in terms of passes, ball retention, momentum etc. We need silkier players who have more about them on the ball and know how to hold possession.

tooey · Jan 2, 2020

Gbspurs said:
Seems to be an unpopular opinion these days but u think you are all nutters. For me Dele and Kane are the last 2 players you should sell. In fact you should build your side around them. Find players which compliment both and we will be a much better side. Getting rid of any talent and just having athletes in the side is part of why we are currently struggling.

I agree re Kane but Alli? I don't get what people see in the guy to think you build a team around him. I agree that a team can't be void of technical players but Alli is probably the second worst member of our first team squad in terms of technical ability (the worst being Sissoko).

ILS · Jan 2, 2020

tooey said:
I agree re Kane but Alli? I don't get what people see in the guy to think you build a team around him. I agree that a team can't be void of technical players but Alli is probably the second worst member of our first team squad in terms of technical ability (the worst being Sissoko).

They see Dele's numbers.

So let's use the number Dele's fans fail to spout. 3 goals in 37 matches at International level.So please can someone explain why his numbers are so crap and please tell me one good game not moment he has had in an England shirt?

If he was as at the level some people are claiming then his numbers would match that of Kane's or Sterling for England, but they don't because England will not build a team around a player that can't do the basics well enough.

I have always wanted Spurs players in the England squad going back to Ian Walker etc but I don't want Dele nowhere near that team as he is not good enough to get in it. Luckily for us Southgate will not fall into trap so I don't have to worry about it as there are better players then Dele in his alleged position with less goals and assists.....I know it can happen.

heelspurs · Jan 2, 2020

IfiHadTheWings said:
Almost as if people would rather him have a shite game to be proven right and have a cheeky little group wankathon on an internet forum.

That's right go ahead and attack the messengers to deflect attention from the point at hand. Are you Mourinho in disguise?

No one is happy that one of our players is shit, or playing shit, or whatever is detrimental to team and club success. And you or anyone else is foolish (or worse) for suggesting it. But it's a cheap rhetorical device commonly used in here. Perhaps folks wouldn't need to have a 'we were right Dele is shit wankathon' if happy clappers from the top on down to the bottom over here didn't need to deny, deride, dismiss, degrade, etc anyone that has admitted the simple reality before their eyes the last few years. But now it's so obvious, so fucking obvious, that you would feel like a complete buffoon arguing the other side. And folks on the 'wankathon' side are feeling a little bit of vindication.

And now you still want to attack them for being right all along instead of looking at yourselves and trying to identify why you had it wrong for so long.

Gilzeanking said:
You are talking about buying technical players . These are the most expensive .You're on collision course with a certain short bald man ..

No, technically competent players. And they are no more expensive than anyone else if you scout them early enough and aren't just buying the high profile ones. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they are not out there. GLC's transfer/loan is evidence of things not being right on the administrative side of things. How was he not identified a year earlier and 1/3 the price?

Deleted member 27995 · Jan 2, 2020

The man doesn't only irk half the fans in the prem, he irks our own fans. Joy to behold.

:ROFLMAO:

Deleted member 27995 · Jan 2, 2020

ILS said:
I don't blame Dele....i blame Jose for trying to prove a point. He sat there in the Sky studio the other week when they were all digging him out and he was like...I can get him playing. Well those four games have now gone so whats the next play as we are back in the same position with him as before?

Probably sell him.

pelayo59 · Jan 2, 2020

ILS said:
They see Dele's numbers.

So let's use the number Dele's fans fail to spout. 3 goals in 37 matches at International level.So please can someone explain why his numbers are so crap and please tell me one good game not moment he has had in an England shirt?

If he was as at the level some people are claiming then his numbers would match that of Kane's or Sterling for England, but they don't because England will not build a team around a player that can't do the basics well enough.

I have always wanted Spurs players in the England squad going back to Ian Walker etc but I don't want Dele nowhere near that team as he is not good enough to get in it. Luckily for us Southgate will not fall into trap so I don't have to worry about it as there are better players then Dele in his alleged position with less goals and assists.....I know it can happen.

It's not only Dele who is good at club and not good at national team or good at national team and shit at club... It's totally different, style, tactic etc so judging by that is idiotic.

ILS · Jan 2, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_p [QUOTE="pelayo59 said:
It's not only Dele who is good at club and not good at national team or good at national team and shit at club... It's totally different, style, tactic etc so judging by that is idiotic.

So you have answered the main issue within your own point. Lesser players fail to adapt to other styles and tactics.

Dele can play one way and one position. Thanks for your support and have a good night.

Johnny J · Jan 2, 2020

Gbspurs said:
Seems to be an unpopular opinion these days but u think you are all nutters. For me Dele and Kane are the last 2 players you should sell. In fact you should build your side around them. Find players which compliment both and we will be a much better side. Getting rid of any talent and just having athletes in the side is part of why we are currently struggling.

In no way should we build our team around a player as technically deficient and mercurial as Alli.

pelayo59 · Jan 2, 2020

ILS said:
So you have answered the main issue within your own point. Lesser players fail to adapt to other styles and tactics.

Dele can play one way and one position. Thanks for your support and have a good night.

I would say for example Messi isn't fantastic for Argentina and it completely didn't change the fact he is the best in the world.

I'm from Poland, every international matches here everyone is discussing why Zieliński who is good for Napoli isn't good for Poland. Because same as Dele, he's playing in different formation, he has different tasks etc.

Dele Alli is very good for Tottenham and it doesn't matter that he isn't good for England.

Deleted member 29446 · Jan 2, 2020

ILS said:
I don't blame Dele....i blame Jose for trying to prove a point. He sat there in the Sky studio the other week when they were all digging him out and he was like...I can get him playing. Well those four games have now gone so whats the next play as we are back in the same position with him as before?

Do you have a link?

ILS · Jan 2, 2020

pelayo59 said:
I would say for example Messi isn't fantastic for Argentina and it completely didn't change the fact he is the best in the world.

I'm from Poland, every international matches here everyone is discussing why Zieliński who is good for Napoli isn't good for Poland. Because same as Dele, he's playing in different formation, he has different tasks etc.

Dele Alli is very good for Tottenham and it doesn't matter that he isn't good for England.

Messi does not have the level of players around him and you can even chuck in Aguero but that is nothing to do with tactics or styles that is to do with Argentina having bang average players everywhere else except striker for years.Yet both their records if we base it on the Dele Alli formula of success are still very good.

The same issue with Zielinski as apart from Lewa there are no other players at their level. Obviously there are decent players within that team but not to the level of Napoli.

The same can't be said for Dele, as England have players on the same and if not better level then him. Technically he is not there to be able to keep a ball and now there are better players to build the team around.

double0 · Jan 2, 2020

Dele is getting a bashing again.

I find myself defending him all the time ( so will have to look at my own perception because everyone can't be wrong)

When I watch Dele I see a playing trying to be creative works extremely hard, not having a go at Kane we all know his value but Alli is doing the running for two players he is probably the hardest working player in the starting 11.

I agree some of the flicks need to be curtailed.

Deleted member 27995 · Jan 2, 2020

double0 said:
Dele is getting a bashing again.

I find myself defending him all the time ( so will have to look at my own perception because everyone can't be wrong)

When I watch Dele I see a playing trying to be creative works extremely hard, not having a go at Kane we all know his value but Alli is doing the running for two players he is probably the hardest working player in the starting 11.

I agree some of the flicks need to be curtailed.

You only have to look at your own perception if you really think you have to, we all see what we want to see in players and there is nothing wrong with that, even if people on the internet are shouting about him.

Fuck it, I have enjoyed the moments, goals etc he has brought to us, I can accept peoples opinions on him and see some valid criticism, then again I'm not going to let all the noise alter everything I enjoy about him as a footballer.

Horses for courses mate.

double0 · Jan 2, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
You only have to look at your own perception if you really think you have to, we all see what we want to see in players and there is nothing wrong with that, even if people on the internet are shouting about him.

Fuck it, I have enjoyed the moments, goals etc he has brought to us, I can accept peoples opinions on him and see some valid criticism, then again I'm not going to let all the noise alter everything I enjoy about him as a footballer.

Horses for courses mate.

Thanks

Ronwol196061 · Jan 2, 2020

jonnyp said:
Really? I didn't see any signs of him creating anything.

Its one of the worst performances I've seen him play.
Nothing he did worked and he seemed half arsed.
He has played well since JM came but this one was absolutely terrible (Moura too)
Putting Ndombele as the DM offered little in our creative dept as he should have been more central helping move the ball....it was left to Sissoko and Eriksen but the achieved little. ND got injured on top of that so we had nothing being created at all

Gbspurs · Jan 2, 2020

double0 said:
Dele is getting a bashing again.

I find myself defending him all the time ( so will have to look at my own perception because everyone can't be wrong)

When I watch Dele I see a playing trying to be creative works extremely hard, not having a go at Kane we all know his value but Alli is doing the running for two players he is probably the hardest working player in the starting 11.

I agree some of the flicks need to be curtailed.

I wouldn't even go that far. The flicks have led to some of the best goals and assists we have had in recent years. You can't be selective and just get rid of the bad ones as much as we would like to!

I said the same when people were having ago at Kane for shooting so much. You take away his instinct to shoot you lose what makes him special. Now everyone wishes he shot more!

You have to take the rough with the smooth.

Hoddle&Waddle · Jan 2, 2020

Poch was right to stick him out on the left.

I would go back to that and play Sonny on the right.

Lo Celso coming in centrally.

Bar any signings that's the best front 3 and would allow us to gain a bit more control in the middle of the park.

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