Club Statement 19 Nov 19 - Pochettino leaves

GutBucket · Nov 21, 2019

Shadydan said:
Bayern are a better fit than Real.

Players complained about training methods because Ancelotti's training was low intensity and were really short so they started to conduct training methods by themselves, Robben said that his Son's youth team was better and far more intense, don't think there's gonna be an issue with training as far as Poch is concerned.

They also didn't like Kovac and his training methods. Even Heycknes said that they have divas in the team. Pochettino will get to bring his players in Real and replace them when they get unhappy, when players get unhappy in Bayern coach gets sacked.

McFlash · Nov 21, 2019

John48 said:
Seems there must have been a severe breakdown between Levy & Poch because he wasn't able to say goodbye to the players in person & had to leave a hand written note.

Could just be that Poch, being the emotional man he is, kinda flounced off after being sacked. Maybe he couldn't actually face the players at the time?

Shadydan · Nov 21, 2019

GutBucket said:
They also didn't like Kovac and his training methods. Even Heycknes said that they have divas in the team. Pochettino will get to bring his players in Real and replace them when they get unhappy, when players get unhappy in Bayern coach gets sacked.

? https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/...nich-playing-as-a-team-under-kovac-512321.jsp

There are divas in every team, there are more in Real, we had a load of divas at Spurs before Poch came in. Real's entire club structure is just built on politics, certain players like Ramos run the team, the minute he gets upset he goes running to Perez. Poch has never dealt with that sort of influence in the dressing room seeing as we know he runs a tight ship, it's always been like that at Real, I don't think he'd face that sort of pressure at Bayern.

GutBucket · Nov 21, 2019

Shadydan said:
? https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/...nich-playing-as-a-team-under-kovac-512321.jsp

There are divas in every team, there are more in Real, we had a load of divas at Spurs before Poch came in. Real's entire club structure is just built on politics, certain players like Ramos run the team, the minute he gets upset he goes running to Perez. Poch has never dealt with that sort of influence in the dressing room seeing as we know he runs a tight ship, it's always been like that at Real, I don't think he'd face that sort of pressure at Bayern.

Kovac won 2 trophies with Bayern and he was contantly in hot seat. Players disliked him and he got the sack. Zidane was/is disliked by many/some but as long as he is winning they won't sack him.

Cavehillspur · Nov 21, 2019

GutBucket said:
Bayern aren't exactly good fit for him, their directors like to bring their players, players hold more power than head coach and they complained about training methods before (although they wished for harder training). Think it's Real Madrid or Manchester United for him.

Honestly think Madrid would be a disaster for him, he wont be given the time he needs.

Shadydan · Nov 21, 2019

GutBucket said:
Kovac won 2 trophies with Bayern and he was contantly in hot seat. Players disliked him and he got the sack. Zidane was/is disliked by many/some but as long as he is winning they won't sack him.

Zidane is a club legend, bit of a difference and he's won them 3 CL's in 4 years.
Poch would never be given the same leeway as Zidane, no one will.

GutBucket · Nov 21, 2019

Shadydan said:
Zidane is a club legend, bit of a difference and he's won them 3 CL's in 4 years.
Poch would never be given the same leeway as Zidane, no one will.

More leeway than in Bayern. Kovac brothers played for Bayern before, won 2 trophies in one season and he was still sacked. Expectation at Real is just to win trophies, in Bayern it's to win all domestic trophies and reach CL semis and keep everyone happy.

Shadydan · Nov 21, 2019

GutBucket said:
More leeway than in Bayern. Kovac brothers played for Bayern before, won 2 trophies in one season and he was still sacked. Expectation is Real is just to win trophies, in Bayern it's to win all domestic trophies and reach CL semis and keep everyone happy.

Kovac cannot be compared to Zidane for obvious reason, he stayed 2 years at Bayern hardly a club legend lol he was just another player so could never command the respect and time that Zidane could. Kovac was sacked because they weren't showing any signs of progression and the players were unhappy.

We're talking Real Madrid here...the same club who sacked Del Bosque after winning 2 La Liga's and 2 Champions Leagues they are a notoriously political club and a difficult club to deal with, you have to win trophies whilst keeping the players happy and play good football as well, their remit is to win the CL, you have to win it, that's what they demand.

What makes you think that Poch is a good fit for Real anyway, he's a project manager, he is known for bringing young players through and his philosophy takes time to implement, he'll get more time at Bayern as there's less pressure, they'll give him time like they gave Kovac, at Real as soon as everything goes tits up Perez will bow to pressure and he'll get thrown out, they've got previous.

GutBucket · Nov 21, 2019

Shadydan said:
Kovac cannot be compared to Zidane for obvious reason, he stayed 2 years at Bayern hardly a club legend lol he was just another player so could never command the respect and time that Zidane could. Kovac was sacked because they weren't showing any signs of progression and the players were unhappy.

We're talking Real Madrid here...the same club who sacked Del Bosque after winning 2 La Liga's and 2 Champions Leagues they are a notoriously political club and a difficult club to deal with, you have to win trophies whilst keeping the players happy and play good football as well, their remit is to win the CL, you have to win it, that's what they demand.

What makes you think that Poch is a good fit for Real anyway, he's a project manager, he is known for bringing young players through and his philosophy takes time to implement, he'll get more time at Bayern as there's less pressure, they'll give him time like they gave Kovac, at Real as soon as everything goes tits up Perez will bow to pressure and he'll get thrown out, they've got previous.

Real are buying young players too, look at their team, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Jovic, Diaz etc. He certainly won't get more time at Bayern.

Shadydan · Nov 21, 2019

GutBucket said:
Real are buying young players too, look at their team, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Jovic, Diaz etc. He certainly won't get more time at Bayern.

Okay

danielneeds · Nov 21, 2019

Bayern is ideal for him in my opinion. Hoeness is about to retire this summer so the infighting will stop a bit. They’ve already injected a load of youth into the squad, and will probably do a lot more. Plus he’s got Lewadowski which is like playing with a cheat code on.

Spurslove · Nov 21, 2019

allatsea said:
More than likely just Harry running his mouth off as usual. I bet he knows nothing but has to appear to know to keep his TV career going.

Could be spot on. That's why it might be worth adopting the idea that nobody in football can be relied upon to give you the 100% cold hard truth about anything. Everyone's got their own hidden agendas, and I guess that's also why we shouldn't get too wound up with press conferences. Managers only tell the press what they want them to know, and they only attend press conferences because they're told to. It's all part of their contract with the sports media (usually Sky) and we've all seen what happens if the press dare to ask a question the manager doesn't want to answer. Conference over. The whole thing's a sham.

Allegedly.

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dimiSpur · Nov 21, 2019

Imagine we play against Poch's Bayern in December....!

tototoner · Nov 21, 2019

Shadydan said:
Bayern are a far better fit than Real.

Players complained about training methods because Ancelotti's training was low intensity and were really short so they started to conduct training methods by themselves, Robben said that his Son's youth team was better and far more intense, don't think there's gonna be an issue with training as far as Poch is concerned, I think he fits them and Utd best.

Bayern would want someone who is fluent in German I suspect, that rules Pochettino out

he is you know! · Nov 21, 2019

dimiSpur said:
Imagine we play against Poch's Bayern in December....!

He was never in contention, Ten Hag will go back in the summer

dimiSpur · Nov 21, 2019

he is you know! said:
He was never in contention, Ten Hag will go back in the summer

You never know. Personally I think Poch needs a bit of time out of the game, he must be mentally tired after the last 12 months. I think some time to reflect would benefit him rather than diving straight back into it at a much bigger club.

Gspurs11 · Nov 21, 2019

I hope more comes out in the wash about the end of Poch's tenure. God I will miss the man.

Interestingly, in The Athletic (doffs fedora) Ornstein and Pitt-Brooke suggest Levy regrets not parting with Poch after the CL final. Definitely something rumbling away behind the scenes, which ITK has alluded to.

Shadydan · Nov 21, 2019

GRspurs11 said:
I hope more comes out in the wash about the end of Poch's tenure. God I will miss the man.

Interestingly, in The Athletic (doffs fedora) Ornstein and Pitt-Brooke suggest Levy regrets not parting with Poch after the CL final. Definitely something rumbling away behind the scenes, which ITK has alluded to.

Remember when Trippier alluded to this and everyone had a go at him lol

soflapaul · Nov 21, 2019

spursfan77 said:
“Don’t look at the boss.”
Tottenham players had become used to saying those words to each other in recent weeks. Don’t catch his eye, don’t give him an excuse to get you in to trouble, just get on with training and surely this will all be over soon.

Mauricio Pochettino had never been overly friendly around the training ground, that just wasn’t his style. He was the boss after all, not the players’ friend. And after becoming Tottenham’s most successful manager in 50 years, who cared how chatty he was anyway? The team had become regulars in the Champions League, they were beating the biggest teams in Europe and had challenged for the Premier League title at their peak. They were scintillating at their best, hunting down the opposition in packs and entertaining their fans with a team full of improving young players.

As a PochIn guy for the longest time, that romantic notion of having a coach for 20 years allowing him to grow with the job was a siren song. His firing was one of the saddest moments i can remember of being a Spurs fan. And while the information dripped out, the picture is clearer 48 hours on. While the ITKer's hinted at it, what was going on behind the scenes was so pervasive that it made it impossible to keep him on if he didn't change his attitude. He didn't. In the end, our beloved Poch and his ego were a big part of the problem. I formally renounce my membership in the PochIn club.

While i'm not joining the card carrying Jose club, he and the club could be a perfect match. His tactical acumen and brilliance is beyond question and the players know that and are likely both hopeful and fearful at this moment. With his ability to charm, the players performances could turn on a dime. And the combination of the two could put us back in the thick of things quickly given the current table points spread. And if that happens, i hope Poch takes a hard look in the mirror and realizes what he needs to do to improve himself. If he wants bigger and better results, he has to change.

Hakkz · Nov 21, 2019

soflapaul said:
As a PochIn guy for the longest time, that romantic notion of having a coach for 20 years allowing him to grow with the job was a siren song. His firing was one of the saddest moments i can remember of being a Spurs fan. And while the information dripped out, the picture is clearer 48 hours on. While the ITKer's hinted at it, what was going on behind the scenes was so pervasive that it made it impossible to keep him on if he didn't change his attitude. He didn't. In the end, our beloved Poch and his ego were a big part of the problem. I formally renounce my membership in the PochIn club.

While i'm not joining the card carrying Jose club, he and the club could be a perfect match. His tactical acumen and brilliance is beyond question and the players know that and are likely both hopeful and fearful at this moment. With his ability to charm, the players performances could turn on a dime. And the combination of the two could put us back in the thick of things quickly given the current table points spread. And if that happens, i hope Poch takes a hard look in the mirror and realizes what he needs to do to improve himself. If he wants bigger and better results, he has to change.

Not being convinced by Mourinho is fine. But the situation with Poch had to change, it wasn't going anywhere.

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