Player watch: Danny Rose

Japhet · Nov 13, 2019

nailsy said:
How are we going to do that when he won't agree to moving his registration?

I'd imagine that THFC employ Danny Rose. We tried to sell him but no takers. Isn't a loan an alternative to that? If he refuses to move his registration he deserves to get frozen out. IMO we have too many players holding the club to ransom over their contracts and that's a big part of the current problem we're facing. On the flip side of that we have players who would give their all but never get a chance because they're deemed 'not good enough'. Well, as far as I can make out, the ones who are stirring the shit are obviously not good enough either, as they prove every time they run on the pitch.

FibreOpticJesus · Nov 13, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
Interesting to see so many reactions saying a version of Rose should rot.
No he shouldn't. He is neither professionally nor morally obliged to be sold on Levy's command.
He has a contract with the club, a contract that was freely entered into by both parties, and
his right is to see it through if he wants to. You cannot seriously wish to demote a player just because he doesn't want to be sold.
And then when a player does want to be sold, that's wrong too and posters criticise his loyalty. Let Rose have his contract, play footie, and let Levy not fetch his sell on fee. If players leave on a free after running down their contracts, that mismanagement by the directors, not misconduct by the players.

Unless he lifts his head and passes to someone in the box he can stay in the reserves. Sadly he is no longer good enough for a top 4 (12) team and clearly has issues that are effecting his verbal decision making. If we move on in the January window he has two choices.

NEVILLEB · Nov 13, 2019

Graysonti said:
agreed - but to be in the first team has to be earned

Yes. He's not picking the team though.

Stamford · Nov 13, 2019

King of Otters said:
When his stock was high and he gave that Sun interview a couple of years back he was quick to say how he’d happily force a move through if a big offer came in. Now he’s regressed in his career and only Watford want him he’s going to see his contract out.

Funny isn't it

Everlasting Seconds · Nov 13, 2019

dontcallme said:
I think this is part of the new movement of football. The amount of money in the game changed everything.

There was a time that the wage gap between the top clubs in the top division and those at the bottom wasn't that different. This meant when players moved clubs it was largely for footballing reasons.

Nowadays players would rather sit on the bench for £100k a week than play each week for £60k a week.

Not really how fans want the players to behave but frankly it is understandable.

When we received high offers for Carrick and Berbatov we could justify selling as we could use the funds to reinvest. But the challenge for us is more about attracting the right players than finding the funds for the transfer fees.

The result of this is as teams don't want to sell their prize assets to the top clubs for the transfer fee the only way for the players to get their moves is to go on strike. When a player is on a downward spiral and the only interested clubs are those below then the players would generally rather see out their contract than move to a lower club.

This in turn is regularly making players hate figures when they leave their clubs. They either go on strike to get the move they want or hold the club to ransom by seeing out their contract to not make a move they don't want.

I agree with this, but there is one side of it lacking to me. Once it's clear that a player is sticking around for some reason, you have to keep him motivated. In our best period with the happiest players and the most exciting footie was in a period where everybody got contract extensions all the time. I remember even fairly forgettable players like Bentaleb got contract extensions. ALL THE TIME. And the club was a happy place. Now there are no extensions, and unhappy and demotivated players who'll run their contracts down. Call me a radical thinker, but that's not how you run a premier league club.

stevenurse · Nov 13, 2019

Another day, another insight into the dickheads at our club. Excellent

Always stuck up for Rose and felt the interview the other years was disrespectful, but really what a lot of us thought but wouldn't say.

However he's now turned to absolute shit and clearly knows he's not getting a bigger contract than the one he's on. If he's not got a desire to play, here or elsewhere then he's no good for us. Davies and Sessegnon as soon as possible please

Everlasting Seconds · Nov 13, 2019

FibreOpticJesus said:
Unless he lifts his head and passes to someone in the box he can stay in the reserves. Sadly he is no longer good enough for a top 4 (12) team and clearly has issues that are effecting his verbal decision making. If we move on in the January window he has two choices.

OK, now we are talking about his ability rather than his contract situation. I think there are reasons why our FBs are perceived as not performing or making the wrong decisions. When I hear constant negativity about every FB out of 4-5 options, I'm starting to think that maybe just maybe the fault isn't the players ability.

dontcallme · Nov 13, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
I agree with this, but there is one side of it lacking to me. Once it's clear that a player is sticking around for some reason, you have to keep him motivated. In our best period with the happiest players and the most exciting footie was in a period where everybody got contract extensions all the time. I remember even fairly forgettable players like Bentaleb got contract extensions. ALL THE TIME. And the club was a happy place. Now there are no extensions, and unhappy and demotivated players who'll run their contracts down. Call me a radical thinker, but that's not how you run a premier league club.

True but I believe similar situations are happening at Utd and Arsenal. These clubs have their similarities to us.

I think what we are witnessing now is in part a result of our improved position.

Everlasting Seconds · Nov 13, 2019

dontcallme said:
True but I believe similar situations are happening at Utd and Arsenal. These clubs have their similarities to us.

I think what we are witnessing now is in part a result of our improved position.

Sure. It's plausible. But we can go on and on about possible dynamics behind why players can't be sold. For instance, just a random one, other clubs further down the pecking order becoming more competitive, and offering same or better players for less value. So the divide between the top clubs, the almost good enough clubs, and the 12-14 other clubs is narrower, and the top clubs can go fishing in the bottom part of the table more easily and with better outcome than before. So a decent player from Tottenham isn't that attractive when you can pay less for an equally interesting guy from Crystal Palace.

Gbspurs · Nov 13, 2019

I think everyone is a little hyper critical here. He isn't saying a great deal wrong here. We want him gone, he doesn't want to go so he is seeing out his contract. What's wrong with that?

People suggesting we chuck him in the reserves for the sheer audacity of wanting to stay at the club he has been at for over a decade are no better than the likes of Berbatov, loyalty works both ways! We want players to commit to long term contacts, demand they honour them if it suits us yet want to retain the option to ditch the player whenever we want? Doesn't sound fair. Even when they do honour their contract we get pissy because they won't sign new ones so we can sell them for more money (makes sense doesn't it!)

The way I see it he can still be a very useful squad player. If he doesn't want to go and understands his game time will be limited let him see out his time in peace and when he leaves remember him for the player he was at his peak.

dondo · Nov 13, 2019

What a ridiculous interview.
Even if this is Rose’s intentions why say it to the media? Guess his intelligence off the pitch is the same as on it.
This should be a red rag to a bull for Pochettino and Rose should be relegated to the reserves but you just know he won’t be

Deleted member 27995 · Nov 13, 2019

Gbspurs said:
I think everyone is a little hyper critical here. He isn't saying a great deal wrong here. We want him gone, he doesn't want to go so he is seeing out his contract. What's wrong with that?

People suggesting we chuck him in the reserves for the sheer audacity of wanting to stay at the club he has been at for over a decade are no better than the likes of Berbatov, loyalty works both ways! We want players to commit to long term contacts, demand they honour them if it suits us yet want to retain the option to ditch the player whenever we want? Doesn't sound fair. Even when they do honour their contract we get pissy because they won't sign new ones so we can sell them for more money (makes sense doesn't it!)

The way I see it he can still be a very useful squad player. If he doesn't want to go and understands his game time will be limited let him see out his time in peace and when he leaves remember him for the player he was at his peak.

This is Danny Rose.

JCRD · Nov 13, 2019

Its within his right to not go anywhere particularly if he is signed up to a contract and the offers are from clubs he doesnt want to go

I take exception to him saying it in the media and definitely warrants criticism then again the club as a whole has been saying crap including Poch which is also a criticism of him.

kaz Hirai · Nov 13, 2019

Odd situation.

The manager backs the player and vice versa but the chairman wants the player gone.
Kinda helps explain pochs attitude throughout the summer.
Half the the squad is a contractual mess right now. No wonder there's little fight .

dontcallme · Nov 13, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
Sure. It's plausible. But we can go on and on about possible dynamics behind why players can't be sold. For instance, just a random one, other clubs further down the pecking order becoming more competitive, and offering same or better players for less value. So the divide between the top clubs, the almost good enough clubs, and the 12-14 other clubs is narrower, and the top clubs can go fishing in the bottom part of the table more easily and with better outcome than before. So a decent player from Tottenham isn't that attractive when you can pay less for an equally interesting guy from Crystal Palace.

It's slightly narrower but the overall wage bill gap is still very large.

Crystal Palace can offer their star player a good wage but aren't in a position to offer an average salary to the same level we can.

So if we sold Rose downwards we would need a club willing to him his £60k+ salary knowing that they won't get any real sell on value for him either. If Rose was performing highly then a club might take a risk on him but most surely wouldn't see him as a good investment right now.

Ben1 · Nov 13, 2019

Gbspurs said:
I think everyone is a little hyper critical here. He isn't saying a great deal wrong here. We want him gone, he doesn't want to go so he is seeing out his contract. What's wrong with that?

People suggesting we chuck him in the reserves for the sheer audacity of wanting to stay at the club he has been at for over a decade are no better than the likes of Berbatov, loyalty works both ways! We want players to commit to long term contacts, demand they honour them yet want to retain the option to ditch the player whenever we want? Doesn't sound fair.

The way I see it he can still be a very useful squad player. If he doesn't want to go and understands his game time will be limited let him see out his time in peace and when he leaves remember him for the player he was at his peak.

Don't speak about internal affairs. It really is that simple, but Rose has never quite grasped that. Its all over twitter today and that's exactly the kind of unsettling rubbish we probably don't need right now

Add to that, the context of his previous comments and the tone of his interviews. Rightly or wrongly, people will question what he's trying to gain from it.

The loyalty factor went out the window a looooooong time ago with Rose, that seems pretty evident.

bubble07 · Nov 13, 2019

He has made too many mistakes. Surprised he has been able to leave Pochs office

Cheltenham Spur · Nov 13, 2019

It strikes me that this is another stick to beat Poch with. If Levy can see that picking up £20m for an aging and erratic at best lb maybe Poch should have too.

A gentle word with Rose to say this is the right time to go and we could all have moved on.

After all Poch was the one talking about a painful rebuild and that will inevitably mean him feeling the pain of some of his favourites leaving.

Ben1 · Nov 13, 2019

kaz Hirai said:
Odd situation.

The manager backs the player and vice versa but the chairman wants the player gone.
Kinda helps explain pochs attitude throughout the summer.
Half the the squad is a contractual mess right now. No wonder there's little fight .

I have no insight, but just because Rose thinks the boss has his back, doesn't mean its true. Its common sense for managers to back their man til the very end. As long as a player is at the club and can offer something on the pitch, alienating him is utterly pointless.

That's arguably how we've got in this mess with other players.

spursfan77 · Nov 13, 2019

kaz Hirai said:
Odd situation.

The manager backs the player and vice versa but the chairman wants the player gone.
Kinda helps explain pochs attitude throughout the summer.
Half the the squad is a contractual mess right now. No wonder there's little fight .

Poch has to keep the player onside though. Don't forget at the start of the season Davies and Sessegnon were injured. We had nobody else to play left back. He had to keep him sweet else we were in trouble with nobody else to play there.

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