Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

Hercules · Nov 10, 2019

danielneeds said:
Is that your opinion or the opinion of your contacts at the club? Because everyone is raw at the moment, you should be making stuff like that very clear because a lot of people on this site treat your word as gospel.

I share my opinions. But yes, I am close on a lot of stuff. But this is me observing and drawing my own conclusions. I saw how the atmosphere was yesterday. And when I saw Moussa & TN they were not happy. And I am sure I was the first one to break the news about his hamstring/groin yesterday. The ITK stuff I will not share here, but in private quarters. Unless things change, that is how I will conduct my information from now on. It is hard when you share opinions, because there is always normally a tandem of education behind it. Really appreciate you asking rightfully for clarity. I am very emotional at present with it all. I always wear my heart on my sleeve.

Mr Pink · Nov 10, 2019

If nothing picks up tomorrow it's safe to assume he'll be here for West Ham away.

danielneeds · Nov 10, 2019

Hercules said:
I share my opinions. But yes, I am close on a lot of stuff. But this is me observing and drawing my own conclusions. I saw how the atmosphere was yesterday. And when I saw Moussa & TN they were not happy. And I am sure I was the first one to break the news about his hamstring/groin yesterday. The ITK stuff I will not share here, but in private quarters. Unless things change, that is how I will conduct my information from now on. It is hard when you share opinions, because there is always normally a tandem of education behind it. Really appreciate you asking rightfully for clarity. I am very emotional at present with it all. I always wear my heart on my sleeve.

Appreciate the candour. Nothing wrong with being emotional, we all love this psychotic old club.

sausage · Nov 10, 2019

Shadydan said:
And this is coming from you as well

ENIC are an investment company, if they want to make us self sustainable then asset stripping and pocketing the money for themselves doesn't make any business sense whatsoever and makes us less attractive and less valuable when we are eventually sold.

ENIC are, yes, but DL is a spurs fan. From what I've heard/read/know, it's his personal project that JL ponied up for. Seems like a complicated situation, but I think it's pretty clear from the finish of the stadium that the club is being run by a guy whose main focus is on the club - otherwise, we would have a big generic stadium.

I think it's hard to judge what will happen for reasons I've covered before, but I can see why he's not been eager to pull the trigger. I think they'll be looking for more of a sway from the fanbase (it's growing, of course, but the big Red Star results have tempered that a little).

WannaDanceWithUdogie · Nov 10, 2019

Bizarre how there is absolutely nothing in the press either

StevePil · Nov 10, 2019

I more than a lot of fans on here, think ENIC & Levy have got a lot to answer to, but how Poch is being given a free ride by many fans is funny...
This squad is better than 14th place -surely everyone agrees with that?
Failure to beat a L1 side?
Failure to win any trophy with our best squad since the 80s as minimum
Poch constant message happy with squad and doesn't need signings, then he does
Poch constant mumbling in press conferences, and refusal to commit and talk up leaving the club
Writing a book and criticising his players!
SHOCKING tactics and subs
He cant see out a match or manage the mentality in the players
failure to rest Kane
Failure to take captaincy off Lloris
Failure to be a tough manager with international managers, let them take all our players, playing 90 mins in meaninless friendlies... Ferguson never allowed this to happen

Poch has a lot to answer to, he was winning before as the players were playing for him, a bit like Bale was for AVB a few years back as he gave him his chance, but you can see it now the players have had enough.... any other manager makes the players who were on the bench do 60 min in gym and on pitch after a match!

He just cares about fitness and kills the players, hence the injuries

So yes Levy has a lot to answer to , but how Poch is getting away with this with some fans as he got us CL football (remember Harry did that first!) it is sad as he seems a nice guy and would love to have seen him win a trophy at spurs and i dont doubt he will go to another club and win stuff as he would have learnt a lot at spurs, but his time is up whether its now or in a few months, he will end up leaving and the sooner the better!

StevePil · Nov 10, 2019

Gareth88 said:
They have been posting all day on instagram about our win midweek

Madness, not on there (too old for that, lol) but beat a Serbian side who lets be honest were dreadful, and we just sing about it and think he is magic again

Gareth88 · Nov 10, 2019

StevePil said:
Madness, not on there (too old for that, lol) but beat a Serbian side who lets be honest were dreadful, and we just sing about it and think he is magic again

Attempting to lift spirits seen a few comments slating them about it

Hawk_Spur · Nov 10, 2019

Poch has to go.

The players used to run through brick walls for Poch, now they can hardly get out of a jog. The players are in survival mode, just looking after themselves and not being a part of the collective. He's lost the players somewhere over the last 18 months and the cracks were papered over with our CL run last season.

All we have are a couple of wins against a Serb pub team since September...... It's time.

Marauder · Nov 10, 2019

Shadydan said:
And this is coming from you as well

ENIC are an investment company, if they want to make us self sustainable then asset stripping and pocketing the money for themselves doesn't make any business sense whatsoever and makes us less attractive and less valuable when we are eventually sold.

Would you sell a cash cow? Would you want to get off the gravy train? I didn't think so.

So, don't worry. We will never be sold.

The Opinionated Lurker · Nov 10, 2019

I’d love to have an idea of what they plan on doing in January if they’re going to stick by Poch like this

Graysonti · Nov 10, 2019

sausage said:
ENIC are, yes, but DL is a spurs fan. From what I've heard/read/know, it's his personal project that JL ponied up for. Seems like a complicated situation, but I think it's pretty clear from the finish of the stadium that the club is being run by a guy whose main focus is on the club - otherwise, we would have a big generic stadium.

I think it's hard to judge what will happen for reasons I've covered before, but I can see why he's not been eager to pull the trigger. I think they'll be looking for more of a sway from the fanbase (it's growing, of course, but the big Red Star results have tempered that a little).

I agree with this.

DL definitely has an emotional attachment to the club - look at work put into the stadium. He could have had more seats for less cost. Let’s give him some respect.

The shit results fall on the man he is paying £8.5m a year - a salary within the top five in the world.

Shadydan · Nov 10, 2019

Marauder said:
Would you sell a cash cow? Would you want to get off the gravy train? I didn't think so.

So, don't worry. We will never be sold.

Investment companies sell once their stock is high.

CookieYiddo · Nov 10, 2019

It’s such a horrible feeling getting into bed hoping that I wake to see news of his departure.

TEESSIDE1 · Nov 10, 2019

Hercules said:
I share my opinions. But yes, I am close on a lot of stuff. But this is me observing and drawing my own conclusions. I saw how the atmosphere was yesterday. And when I saw Moussa & TN they were not happy. And I am sure I was the first one to break the news about his hamstring/groin yesterday. The ITK stuff I will not share here, but in private quarters. Unless things change, that is how I will conduct my information from now on. It is hard when you share opinions, because there is always normally a tandem of education behind it. Really appreciate you asking rightfully for clarity. I am very emotional at present with it all. I always wear my heart on my sleeve.

Your opinions are always appreciated but in response to the original poster I don’t believe it’s a question of taking your opinion as gospel in terms of ITK and therefore basing over views on what you say. Regardless of your opinion/insight it is clear as day all is not right at the club and this is evident on the pitch week in week out... as to how the club haven’t made strides to rectify this is beyond rationale and extremely concerning. A year ago we laughed at the disarray at Arsenal... we’ve now become Arsenal.

Breezer · Nov 10, 2019

I can’t see Poch lasting If we lose our next game to a relegation form West Ham. DL will have some big decisions to make. Not only to back or sack Poch but also which manager to replace him with. Best stadium in the world, one of the best training grounds, require you to have one of the worlds biggest/best managers. So if DL sacks Poch and decides to sign a yes man like Eddie Howe then you will soon see our top players leaving. Whether you like him or not, Mourinho is a winner, and has the respect and stature that would have other clubs fearing us again. But DL would need to change his philosophy otherwise Mourinho would tell him to do one after a season.

The Opinionated Lurker · Nov 10, 2019

teenageYIDDO said:
Bizarre how there is absolutely nothing in the press either

I think it’s because there aren’t enough people in the press who actually support Tottenham, when Arsenal and United do shit there’s a constant stream of articles and press about what they’re doing wrong and what can be done to improve it. If we did sack Poch, expect a load of articles and ex players coming out to say ‘why’d you do that?’

The Opinionated Lurker · Nov 10, 2019

It’d be harsh for West Ham of all people to be the ones to put the final nail in the coffin, they’ll be so up for this it’s unreal

danielneeds · Nov 10, 2019

The Opinionated Lurker said:
It’d be harsh for West Ham of all people to be the ones to put the final nail in the coffin, they’ll be so up for this it’s unreal

It’s what West Ham live and exist for - to piss on other people’s chips.

Blake Griffin · Nov 10, 2019

all players are replaceable.

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