Trees
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I disagree. It’s been a happy harmonious club for 5 years. Manager has lost the plot latterly. Should have left in summer with legacy intact.
The Mauricio Pochettino thread
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archiewasking
Waiting for silverware..........
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I want to know too.
ghjk_91
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I'm not sure - although the atmosphere has definitely been better under Poch, there have still been murmurings of discontent behind the scenes. Specifically coming from ITKs during transfer windows.
Also the whole Baldini situation as well as changing Poch's title from coach to manager and then his public comments about how accurate that was didn't scream harmony.
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Lighty64
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I've been following Spurs since 73/74, I'm not a troll I just understand football and I don't do knee jerking
cjbyid
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He didn't actually say Kane. But hinted towards an irreplaceable player. Posted on the Poch In/out thread this afternoon.
VancouverSpur
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There are always many moving parts at a football club. However when things are going poorly the quickest way to try and affect change is by bringing in a new manager. Changing ownership is a once a generation event or more and ENIC are not in it for the emotion or the love of the game and we have known that forever. For them money talks and nothing is going to change that.
Poch rightly can be frustrated with the way we operate but he has known it was this way from the start.. Factor in the talent we have in the squad and regardless of the wantaway players we should have more than enough to be competing for Top 4. You cannot tell me we should not be beating Colchester or Newcastle or Brighton or Watford or Sheffield Utd with the players we have.
Things are clearly not Right and yes that’s down to more than just Poch however no one can tell me that his selections or in game management or tactics have been amazing this season because at times they have been just awful. We can limp on for a while but it’s clear a change needs to be made.
Poch rightly can be frustrated with the way we operate but he has known it was this way from the start.. Factor in the talent we have in the squad and regardless of the wantaway players we should have more than enough to be competing for Top 4. You cannot tell me we should not be beating Colchester or Newcastle or Brighton or Watford or Sheffield Utd with the players we have.
Things are clearly not Right and yes that’s down to more than just Poch however no one can tell me that his selections or in game management or tactics have been amazing this season because at times they have been just awful. We can limp on for a while but it’s clear a change needs to be made.
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Numerous pundits had us closing the gap on the top two if not consolidate 3rd and our fans as well, Jose was just an example but there's plenty of people who said the same thing.
What does current ability mean though? To me current ability is current form and like I mentioned the form of our players right now isn't very good. This time last year up until February we were on par with the top two and keeping up with them, so how do you go from that to where we are now? Player's ability doesn't collectively just fall off a cliff in the space of 12 months, 1 or 2 players year but not 80% of the playing squad.
Sorry but there's nothing debatable about Jonny Evans and Soyuncu, they're not better defenders than Alderweireld and Vertonghen. They are players playing in a team with direction and confidence as opposed to the total opposite which is why they look better. The only players that would walk into our team indefinitely are the full backs and DM but that's 3 out of 8 players which is just solidifying my point. They maybe a better balanced team but that's a totally different argument altogether.
Jurgen Klopp has Liverpool punching way above their weight, no way on paper should that team be leading the Premier League and turning over teams like City with ease but he has everyone playing to or above their potential and that is something that is not currently happening at Spurs.
People thoughts on our squad have just been clouded in recency bias and doom mongering.
It means I don't believe ENIC can take us forward in that us becoming consistent challengers for honours (primarily the league and CL, which is what we should be striving for) under them.
Yiddo100
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I know they’ve not played as much as liked but has he not got his new tools since he’s said this?No digs or anything but we seemed to bring in every target wanted (to outsider knowledge) in the summer windowThink people need to read his quotes from 11th May 2019
“It would be very naive to think we can continue to operate as we have done and that it will get us to the Champions League final and the top four every season when we’re competing against projects like Liverpool or the Manchester clubs.
“If you want to expect the same from us as from Liverpool, the Manchester clubs and Chelsea, give me different tools to work with.
“If not and I see people working in the same way in the future, and I’m going to be this guy, I am the most stupid person to work. We need to create a realistic plan to develop in the next year, five years, and to match people’s expectations because, if not, our destiny is to crash.” — Poch
Pochettino says he won’t stay at Spurs unless they ‘operate in a different way’
Mauricio Pochettino has said that he is not prepared to stay at Spurs unless they have a 'clear idea' of where they are heading.thefootballfaithful.com
dtxspurs
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On the other hand we’re one game out of 5th place.
Gb160
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Gotta be H, he's our only irreplaceable player.
Shadydan
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Think it's KWP personally.
Dr Know
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I think it’s fair to say we’re all just assuming what’s going on (apart from the bad results lol) So I don’t really think it’s in the spirit of the “community forum” to blast each other based on our opinions.
The only facts I have is:
Poch has been the best manager since I’ve been a supporter (late 80s)
He saw us through a difficult period, building the new stadium and having to play away from home, then all the delays which many predicted would cost us (I don’t think it did)
Then many predicted that we would struggle in the new stadium as soon as we got in (I thought we did very well up until this bad spell)
So do I want Poch out?
I really don’t know based on what he’s achieved with us and where we are now.
It could just take the Jan window in order for him to get rid of bad eggs (that’s assuming there are at the club and if they’re affecting the dressing room)
Do we actually gamble and wait but by then we’re in such a poor state that it could take a new manager 2 seasons to get us back to where we would like to be
My point is, I find it distasteful when we blast/insult/ridicule each other when none of us know the true facts
The only facts I have is:
Poch has been the best manager since I’ve been a supporter (late 80s)
He saw us through a difficult period, building the new stadium and having to play away from home, then all the delays which many predicted would cost us (I don’t think it did)
Then many predicted that we would struggle in the new stadium as soon as we got in (I thought we did very well up until this bad spell)
So do I want Poch out?
I really don’t know based on what he’s achieved with us and where we are now.
It could just take the Jan window in order for him to get rid of bad eggs (that’s assuming there are at the club and if they’re affecting the dressing room)
Do we actually gamble and wait but by then we’re in such a poor state that it could take a new manager 2 seasons to get us back to where we would like to be
My point is, I find it distasteful when we blast/insult/ridicule each other when none of us know the true facts
Yiddo100
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It might be an nfl stadium but it’s also one hell of a football stadium, one of the best in the world
IamSpurtacus
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Don’t dispute that
My point was to illustrate where the focus lies with club owners - and it’s reflected on the pitch and in the squad
Ranieri won Leicester the Premier League and they sacked him after a couple bad months. They've since gone through two other managers while slowly building up a squad capable of launching an assault on the top 6.
This has to be what we do, starting now. It might be a longer process than we'd hope, but the damage is done. All that we can do now is build again.
This has to be what we do, starting now. It might be a longer process than we'd hope, but the damage is done. All that we can do now is build again.
Yiddo100
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Honestly even if poch went I can’t see him staying too long, in all likelihood we won’t be winning the league anytime soon, Kane is we’ll within his right to go abroad and get some trophies because he’s an incredible player. Surprised we’ve kept him this long
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What I meant by current ability is for example Wanyama now vs Wanyama at his peak as a DM. Same goes for Dier with the illness but unlike Wanyama he has the ability to come back. I'd agree on the CB's although Soyuncu is an unknown to me but I do think it goes to show that balance is key and it's no good having 6/7 good offensive options if you're missing 3 key ingredients as you say but that's why I think people overestimate our squad because we are missing key components of what makes a strong 11 which can compete. It's no good having great options like Moura and Lamela in reserve if your 11 has key holes and you only have to look at City to see that to be the case.
I disagree on Liverpool, they have a world class goalie, fullbacks are worldclass or at the minimum top class I don't there's many better than what Trent is offering atm. Van Dijk is best CB in the world, Matip is decent, Fabinho is a top level DM and they have varying CM's who are used predominately for workrate alone and a world class front 3. Their squad depth lets them down a little but they seem to get away with it and they've been too consistent over 2 seasons now to say they're punching, I think they're where they belong.
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So according to JJ we are hoping to ship out the want always in Jan and also getting in new players? Well sorry but that plan has major flaws. The want always won’t want to leave in Jan because they want to leave on a free in the summer for a big pay check and even if we do get some new players ( I won’t hold my breath ) Poch won’t probably play them until March anyway.
VancouverSpur
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True and always hard to bring in more than one quality player in the Jan transfer window let alone get rid of 4 or more.
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