The Mauricio Pochettino thread

He’s going to go, the only question is how soon. Do we have to wait for the team to actually start losing every week or is he going to be kept on life support by scraping home draws against the likes of Watford and SU.

So much negativity. Many clubs would kill to be in our position. Be careful what you wish for. We don’t need any change, apart from maybe better fans. Ffs.

It’s a bit of a mess isn’t it?

We’re not a good side anymore. Comforting in the respect that it reminds me of years gone by. You remember? Mid table finishes, shit results, not beating teams who don’t have single player who would get in our first XI etc

Our club is just meant to be a fucking basket case forever more isn’t it!!!? ?

Well at least he’s acknowledged we were shit and actually shows some disappointment for a change!

rossdapep said:

True but I'd say that Celtic is one of the easiest places to win trophies at.

Let's see if Rodgers can maintain this level first. Second half of the season is the true barometer.

Regarding Poch, yeah he probably could do with going away and winning titles.

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Is the job at celtic available for him? Nopppp...

mpickard2087 said:

These were part of posts I made a month ago. Tbh my thoughts are still the same. Doing anything this season, league wise, has gone, forget it, but a strong second half of the season where the mess is sorted out and we see evidence of having found solutions and momentum going into a new campaign and I wouldn't be against him staying. Even if that looks more and more unlikely with every bad result, with the absence of an obvious caretaker I'd just let him stew out the season (as long as we're not right in a relegation battle) because you're more likely to be securing a new manager in the summer rather than midseason. If some months of limbo annoys fans, so be it, they/you/we are always annoyed by something. If it annoys players who gives a fuck, who are you fearing would want to leave the club? Fuck 'em.

And, though I obviously hope Spurs win matches and trophies, I still repeat my belief that I am more concerned about process than (skipping to) the result at the end of it. I don't get the 'we need to just win' mentality, but maybe that's just me and how view things ultimately. I've bored you all for over 20,000 posts on here over 10 years, those who read know I am more than prepared to discuss and dissect football to the nth degree and I'll state what I like and the multitude of shit, win lose or draw, I dislike. But it doesn't get to me, either way, I wake up the next day and I'm over it. Quite honestly I woke up the day after the CL final and I was over it, and truthfully if we'd have won I'd have been the same. For me it's something that's a small buzz and done, not some epoch event. Happily here discussing it and giving an opinion, but it not getting to me or eliciting any real buzz - good/bad/other. Maybe that's just me as a person - On to the next one, tomorrow's a new day, I have enough other things occupying my life than Spurs, etc. etc. etc.

It comes down to your viewpoint and what you're in it for. As I said previously, I watch football..... for the football. The game. The 90 mins. To be (hopefully) entertained to my tastes and ideas and what I measure as a good performance and what I want to see. So that's what I'd be looking for in a new manager first of all. I want process (football matches and performances) that I like and enjoy, and then you hope good process has the result of winning matches and ultimately trophies.

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It may sound silly but we are already on the edge of a relegation battle. We are below Newcastle United, Steve Bruce's Newcastle United.
We've amassed I believe 24 points from our last 25 games. No league away win since January. We lost to Newcastle at home, and couldn't beat Watford. We got completely destroyed by Brighton. Who does it look like we can beat to pick up the points required? In recent years there's been an invasion of intelligent coaching to the league, there's no easy games any more and the margins have never been finer. The cliche is now true.

If we don't take action soon, the situation could get away from us if qualified managerial candidates go to other clubs and they will also turn their noses up at us if the predicament gets particularly hairy. If god forbid we're lower in the table in a month's time then I see the only possible option as somebody like Hughton to come in as caretaker. Is that a situation we want?

I totally get the point you are trying to make. And I absolutely agree that Mourinho is absolutely not a solution long term, because of the football, because of the abrasiveness, because of his appalling record with youth players. However let me tell you why I think this is in some ways an appointment that looks after the long term interests of the club.

Let's hypothetically say we sack Poch tonight and appoint Mourinho tomorrow. He's fired up. He's immediately going to get us focused on the job of securing a place in Europe at worst, he'll want us challenging for the FA Cup (which let's be honest would be nice) and i'd wager he'd want us to give it a shot in the CL too. The squad is good enough. I just think he will help us to regain our focus. He also wouldn't need hundreds of millions of pounds spent to make an instant impact. He's got 3/4 experienced CBs that i'm sure he'd love, a solid enough midfield and world class forwards. Europa league is better than no Europe, especially this last couple of years.

He'd also likely get the wantaways back on side, we might see the ones we want to stay sign new contracts here because of the respect they would have for him.

But the most important point to make is that if we get Mourinho in, can you honestly see Kane, Son, Alli, hell even Eriksen being itching to get out the door? I'm sure you'd agree that these players could be a huge part of the process going forward.

If we keep Poch and finish bottom half, do you think these players would be content to stay on? And if we do sell them, who of appropriate quality will we be able to attract? I doubt the players care about the process too much. They care about winning. But without players of this ilk then the process suffers.

Project Mourinho would blow up in a couple of years, everybody knows that. But he might just give us a taste of winning in the meantime, and it would I believe give us the opportunity to retain some of our best players. After project Mourinho blows up, why not think long term then? When hopefully the club has developed a culture of winning which is so desperately needed? At the end of the day, football is a competitive sport. I just think it wouldn't do us any harm to think short to medium term so we can think longer term if you see what I mean?

Rout-Ledge said:

He’s going to go, the only question is how soon. Do we have to wait for the team to actually start losing every week or is he going to be kept on life support by scraping home draws against the likes of Watford and SU.

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What we’re seeing now is life support for any other manager in any top flight in Europe I think! Not sure how much worse it can get. Our return from Newcastle, Watford and Sheffield Utd at home is 2 lucky points. No disrespect to them sides but that’s laughable. Wait until we get decent sides at home. That’s when he’ll get sacked 100%

We barely scraped past Villa and Southampton. We are getting destroyed by any top half side at home this season.

No doubt over on twatter they'll be videos of Poch crying on the pitch after Ajax captioned 'Anyone that wants this man sacked needs their head checking.'

Everlasting Seconds said:

So much negativity. Many clubs would kill to be in our position. Be careful what you wish for. We don’t need any change, apart from maybe better fans. Ffs.

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I think Watford and Norwich might kill to be 12th place mate but a team that has been top four for the past few years and reached a CL final should expect far far better unless that is entitlement of course.

OMG

shelfboy68 said:

I think Watford and Norwich might kill to be 12th place mate but a team that has been top four for the past few years and reached a CL final should expect far far better unless that is entitlement of course.

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Fucking entitled glory hunters. Most fans aren’t worthy of kissing Pochettinos butt.
Put them in charge and see if THEY can fetch a point every game and lose every final.

KingSandro said:

No doubt over on twatter they'll be videos of Poch crying on the pitch after Ajax captioned 'Anyone that wants this man sacked needs their head checking.'

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There certainly are good sir

Shadydan said:

OMG

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Fake. Fucks sake mate

winnereD a thousand times. People got what they wanted today, and we were still fucking shit.

So just drop that excuse from now.

shelfboy68 said:

I think Watford and Norwich might kill to be 12th place mate but a team that has been top four for the past few years and reached a CL final should expect far far better unless that is entitlement of course.

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It’s been said many times before but the heart of the matter is that if you build the best stadium in the league and charge the highest prices, there are certain unavoidable expectations that go along with that. You don’t get to go on a league run as shocking as the one we’re on without serious questions being asked about the manager.

If you are not asking those questions and simply saying ‘clubs would kill to be in our position’ then you’re not actually assessing the position we’re in and what’s happening on the pitch week in, week out.

Everlasting Seconds said:

So much negativity. Many clubs would kill to be in our position. Be careful what you wish for. We don’t need any change, apart from maybe better fans. Ffs.

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Delusional.

Broke my finger after the Moura goal v Ajax after smacking my wall in jubilation. Done my ligaments in my knee after slipping down the stairs after our result today. Think this is an accurate representation of how we've gone down lol

WhiteDane said:

winnereD a thousand times. People got what they wanted today, and we were still fucking shit.

So just drop that excuse from now.

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No diamond, no Eriksen, no win! Pochettino delivered again! What more do they want? They ask and ask and ask, and Pochettino giveth.

I think he's losing the dressing room, losing the fans, losing time and will end up losing his job.
Love Poch but I think time's up!

kannanmothalali said:

Delusional.

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Dude, we have the greenest grass and the grandest glass tunnel in the country! What’s delusional is thinking that all of the sudden we are entitled to win a weekly Pl game at home. The weather wasn’t even that nice today!