The Mauricio Pochettino thread

EastLondonYid · Nov 6, 2019

muppetman said:
I can't see how he goes in Jan, the ball is in his court and why would he forgo a Ramsay style payout at this stage?

I agree, but Levy will try for sure, and the last thing he needs is Poch slating him.

Matthew · Nov 6, 2019

EastLondonYid said:
Maybe so he doesn't put off any potential buyers off completely, if that's not too late that is...

We are pushing to unload him in Jan and get some money for him at least, that would be much harder if Poch came out and said he is absolute shite and doesn't put a shift in don't you think?

it doesnt need to poch to say it, every man and his dog can see it.

Metalhead · Nov 6, 2019

EastLondonYid said:
Maybe so he doesn't put off any potential buyers off completely, if that's not too late that is...

We are pushing to unload him in Jan and get some money for him at least, that would be much harder if Poch came out and said he is absolute shite and doesn't put a shift in don't you think?

People can kind of see for themselves regardless of what Poch says but it just isn't professional for him to slag Eriksen off and he wouldn't do it. I doubt anyone is going to believe Poch when he says that Eriksen is in as good form as 5 years ago though.

Dougal · Nov 6, 2019

There’s a reason the players and staff get media training. What Poch is saying in Press conferences is the public face. Anyone who thinks he hasn’t noticed Eriksen’s form, or lack of it, needs to have a sit down for themselves.

Japhet · Nov 6, 2019

Metalhead said:
People can kind of see for themselves regardless of what Poch says but it just isn't professional for him to slag Eriksen off and he wouldn't do it. I doubt anyone is going to believe Poch when he says that Eriksen is in as good form as 5 years ago though.

I think he's just doing the opposite of what Mourinho did at Man Utd. When Mourinho started throwing shit at his players in public the whole team pretty much downed tools to get rid of him. Poch, IMO, is being too loyal to players who are woefully out of form and hopefully he'll get another chance to pick hungry players in Belgrade and see what we're missing in the EPL. You'd think he would have noticed last time and I can't find any explanantion for that.

dudu · Nov 6, 2019

Japhet said:
I think he's just doing the opposite of what Mourinho did at Man Utd. When Mourinho started throwing shit at his players in public the whole team pretty much downed tools to get rid of him. Poch, IMO, is being too loyal to players who are woefully out of form and hopefully he'll get another chance to pick hungry players in Belgrade and see what we're missing in the EPL. You'd think he would have noticed last time and I can't find any explanantion for that.

If he wasn't loyal to players out of form we would barely have anyone left for him to be loyal to.

SpartanSpur · Nov 6, 2019

Dougal said:
There’s a reason the players and staff get media training. What Poch is saying in Press conferences is the public face. Anyone who thinks he hasn’t noticed Eriksen’s form, or lack of it, needs to have a sit down for themselves.

I totally agree on the media front, but it does beg the question why he's still playing him?

Dougal · Nov 6, 2019

SpartanSpur said:
I totally agree on the media front, but it does beg the question why he's still playing him?

We can only speculate. Certainly not due to his form. He stuck with Sissoko when everyone else said differently. Chances are he knows he has Eriksen until the end of the season and he wants to wring everything out of him.

bat-chain · Nov 6, 2019

I did think it was interesting that he referenced Eriksen's operation from the summer again as a reason for his form.

Maybe that is the issue with him as opposed to effort. It certainly makes sense as CE doesn’t play like someone with total confidence in his body.

yankspurs · Nov 6, 2019

Dougal said:
There’s a reason the players and staff get media training. What Poch is saying in Press conferences is the public face. Anyone who thinks he hasn’t noticed Eriksen’s form, or lack of it, needs to have a sit down for themselves.

He’s been garbage for the better part of a year yet he’s practically first name on the team sheet in the prem. I’ll take he hasnt noticed for 200, alex.

Stamford · Nov 6, 2019

bat-chain said:
I did think it was interesting that he referenced Eriksen's operation from the summer again as a reason for his form.

Maybe that is the issue with him as opposed to effort. It certainly makes sense as CE doesn’t play like someone with total confidence in his body.

Its a lovely story from Poch but it doesn't explain his form before then

yankspurs · Nov 6, 2019

bat-chain said:
I did think it was interesting that he referenced Eriksen's operation from the summer again as a reason for his form.

Maybe that is the issue with him as opposed to effort. It certainly makes sense as CE doesn’t play like someone with total confidence in his body.

Cool story from Poch but what about his form when decided he was done with Ajax?

yankspurs · Nov 6, 2019

Dougal said:
We can only speculate. Certainly not due to his form. He stuck with Sissoko when everyone else said differently. Chances are he knows he has Eriksen until the end of the season and he wants to wring everything out of him.

He stuck with Sissoko because everyone else was injured.

Dougal · Nov 6, 2019

yankspurs said:
He stuck with Sissoko because everyone else was injured.

Poch was showing faith in him before that. Just as well he did because when everyone else was injured Poch could turn to him and have his faith repaid.

TheAmerican · Nov 6, 2019

glacierSpurs said:
Loyalty. This really bugs me. Is like a double-edged sword. First, did United and RM really came asking for Poch service? All seemed to be tabloid rumours flaming it.

Second, did Poch dismissed them? I vaguely remembered he did for RM rumours, but didn't think he did for United rumours.

Third, yes he stayed and signed a contract. An improved contract making him one of the highest paid manager in the league and maybe even globally. Imagine our dear Levy who's so stingy in offering wages to players offered Poch one of the highest salary for managers.

Loyalty to me is not about talking to leave if we won the CL. Loyalty to me is about being firm with words on wanting to achieve success with us instead of mangling with ambiguous terms and words in almost every presser.

Loyalty to me has no monetary value attached to it. I know that's likely not possible in today's world. But it's really not like Poch is working for free or peanuts. Signing a five year contract is not a testament of loyalty. Crudely it's also probably could be interpreted as the opposite.

Bottom line is, everything is a fair trade of exchange, its a job. He has to perform. The club didn't owe him anything.

I think some supporters are still holding onto the dream that Poch would be our Ferguson. He’s not going to be... football has changed since then, in part because of all the money in the PL now. Time to accept that.

Stavrogin · Nov 6, 2019

SpartanSpur said:
The guy has been a miracle worker for us, no doubt about it. I will be forever grateful for what he did in that 5 year 'chapter'.

There have however always been plenty of questions about his tactical acumen (especially big games) and in game management/subs. His true strength was his fantastic plan A system and his man management. He got a pass from many of us with his tactical naivety (son a LWB in a cup semi?) because he is still relatively young in his career and because the players loved him. Now the motivation is gone and these issues have been magnified.

For me there is a minimum level of expectation and sitting 11th after 11 games, 10 points off 4th placed Leicester who are a club with lower status and resources than us is below it. We love to praise Poch for performing above his means but he's currently being shown up by Brighton, Sheffield Utd and Bournemouth. It goes both ways

He's managed to lose more games in 2019 than any other PL team. Rumours the players have grown tired of his tactics and his voice won't go away. Performances arguably even worse than the results.

You can appreciate what the man has done but also think it's time for a change. It's not like he's going to be short of job offers. In fact I think he needs a fresh start too. He's clearly still not over the CL final based on today's comments. That doubt and disappointment will be trickling down.

I don't disagree that Pochettino has yet to fully prove himself, especially in terms of game management, as you say, and his ability to manage a squad of big stars. But this is a process and he might yet master it.

I see our issue as one of transformation: Going from a squad of up-and-comers to one of very well paid superstars. We relied mainly on creating first teamers for 4 or 5 years, not managing them or replacing them. It's a new phase of the project and I just can't see how we shouldn't let Pochettino at least try. Ndombele and Lo Celso should be massive signings (and NDombele looked excellent against Everton), it doesn't seem fair that Pochettino struggled with limited options last year and doesn't get to utelise the new strength we have there.

We've turned things around repeatedly over the last few years. Is it really so hard to see the new signings settling in, players getting back into form and us getting over this CL thing and learning from it? If they don't turn it around then sure, he's failed. But we're a long way from that point. We can surely give him this season.

DelBoyN17 · Nov 6, 2019

DelBoyN17 said:
Poch got loads wrong yesterday ....

Started Eriksen who again was dreadful & shouldn’t play for us ever again.

Played Lucas upfront in the first half & Son wide right, Lucas is not a striker & that again showed yesterday.

Brought on Foyth when the game was screaming out for an extra midfielder to help soak up pressure & get hold of the ball, winks & Dier would of been ideal.

Brings on Sessegnon with 20 seconds to play?

& that was just the Everton game, the list on Poch from this season alone is ridiculous !!

Also said yesterday he is pleased with Eriksens performances, the gift that keeps on giving !!!

nailsy · Nov 6, 2019

felmani26 said:
A salient point made here about Ranieri's tenure at Leicester and how the board, despite coming off the back of an unprecedented season, made the bold move to look for a new manager as they could see the decline in a squad that had peaked.

Football is about being progressive and always looking forward, not reminiscing about the time we finished 2nd for the first time since the 60's or how we got to a Champions League final which we ultimately lost. Poch has done a great job overall, that can't be denied, but this continued stay of execution is counter productive for all concerned - players diminishing value, Pochettino's reputation and last but not least, loss of earning potential for the club as it'll take an almighty effort to finish in a Champions League berth now you feel.

Cut the cord.

Make the change.

I was on the fence before reading your post, but you've convinced me. Lets stop pissing around and get Craig Shakespeare in!!!

PLTuck · Nov 6, 2019

DelBoyN17 said:
Also said yesterday he is pleased with Eriksens performances, the gift that keeps on giving !!!

But as keeps being said, isn't this football man management 101?

Ronwol196061 · Nov 6, 2019

PLTuck said:
But as keeps being said, isn't this football man management 101?

Poch is in no way a great strategist.
He had a plan I'll give him that
Everything else he does is trial and error.
He is good with the players.He can create emotion and get them cooking (at times) He is great at getting them in good condition.
A creative strategist? Never.

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