The Mauricio Pochettino thread

panoma · Nov 3, 2019

pablo73 said:
Bayern taking a punt on Poch wouldn't be too different to Liverpool taking a punt on Klopp after Dortmund's form went to shit. That hasn't worked out too badly for them.

Sometimes things just get stale and come to a natural end, doesn't mean Poch wouldn't do a good job at Bayern.

Personally hope they do come in for him, I'll be grateful for the memories but definitely time to part company

At that time Liverpool looked to get back into top 4 and Klopp had won the german league. Poch has not won anything and Bayern demands trophies (unlike Liverpool at the time).

I see your point, but it's certainly not the same scenario.

dontcallme · Nov 3, 2019

panoma said:
At that time Liverpool looked to get back into top 4 and Klopp had won the german league. Poch has not won anything and Bayern demands trophies (unlike Liverpool at the time).

I see your point, but it's certainly not the same scenario.

Well very few scenarios are exactly the same. But Klopp being on a down period at the end of his tenure has similarities to Poch.

rossdapep · Nov 3, 2019

stevenurse said:
Quite frankly, we've had that, and whilst it was great. I want winning football now.

I refuse to accept that all Mourinho does is play shit football. Its a myth that is used by fans of opposing sides to beat him with because he is a bit of an arsehole. Even if there is an element of truth, he also undeniably wins things. Something we need to start doing

I think most people watch the big games and it's true that Mourinho brings a pragmatic approach to those games, so they form an opinion it's always like that. But I've watched plenty of games in which his team's have been so effective in destroying teams with either swift counter attacking football or intense pressure. His teams will never be like Pep with innovative tactics or intense pressing like Klopp but this notion that his team's are ultra defensive week in week out is nonsense.

At United, he started the 17/18 season with a real positive and enjoyable formula but he could see that the likes of Pogba, Martial and Shaw were neglecting defensive duties and it was a matter of time before they got exposed so he went defensive vs Liverpool and he got slaughtered for it. Week after Huddersfield beat them because they were too open in midfield. Therefore he starting working on this weakness, trouble is the likes of Pogba don't want to be defending for too long so he quickly lost their faith.

I think our players are desperate to win, so they'd buy into whatever he's selling.

Gareth88 · Nov 3, 2019

rossdapep said:
I think most people watch the big games and it's true that Mourinho brings a pragmatic approach to those games, so they form an opinion it's always like that. But I've watched plenty of games in which his team's have been so effective in destroying teams with either swift counter attacking football or intense pressure. His teams will never be like Pep with innovative tactics or intense pressing like Klopp but this notion that his team's are ultra defensive week in week out is nonsense.

At United, he started the 17/18 season with a real positive and enjoyable formula but he could see that the likes of Pogba, Martial and Shaw were neglecting defensive duties and it was a matter of time before they got exposed so he went defensive vs Liverpool and he got slaughtered for it. Week after Huddersfield beat them because they were too open in midfield. Therefore he starting working on this weakness, trouble is the likes of Pogba don't want to be defending for too long so he quickly lost their faith.

I think our players are desperate to win, so they'd buy into whatever he's selling.

This sounds like what we have already being trying to do the last few weeks

UncleBuck · Nov 3, 2019

Think we’ve almost got to Jol v Getafe status...

Lighty64 · Nov 3, 2019

stevenurse said:
So you're happy with the turgid shit we're currently being served up?

not at all, but I actually believe the collapse last season only away form was a lot down to burnout and injuries.

this season hasn't been helped with injuries to the new players, had Sess not been injured we would have got in early enough, had Lo Celso not got injured I believe we would have seen more minutes, had Lamela not have his injury issues the last 2 results with his work rate instead of Eriksen might have been improved. Had VAR given us decisions v Newcastle, Arsenal, and today (I know VAR saved us twice today, but if the 1st penalty had been given, no one knows how the rest of the match would have played out).

Had Lloris not been injured and fluffed it in the 1st place, no guarantee Brighton would have beaten us.

when Toby was playing well for us, he would move the ball quicker, a few seasons back Rose was rated as one of the best leftbacks, nowadays he is permanently making errors that cost us points. Jan has lost pace or interest, and Eriksen might as well have a deckchair, pipe, and slippers. yes I blame Poch for selecting them, and they obviously make more effort in training than they do on the pitch when it matters.

the thing is does Poch trust Tanganga to be ready to step up? doubt it as he rarely makes the bench. Obviously, if Sess is ready to fill in for Rose you have to understand at the moment he has only just proved fit enough to make the bench, but hopefully him and GLC will be ready sooner than Poch estimated

I really am struggling at the moment to see a manager that could turn these players around. would Toby definitely sign a new contract, and suddenly learn to header a ball again? Would Jan definitely sign another contract, and find his pace again. Rose will be stop daydreaming at times it matters, and we all know the answer to Eriksen, but with GLC not fully up to it yet, and Lamela with his injury issues then who do you play instead of Eriksen?

stevenurse · Nov 3, 2019

It honestly doesn't feel like any result would make a difference at the moment. We could lose 5 nil at home to Sheff Utd and he'd still be there the following Monday.

That's what tears me up about wanting him to go while his relationship is somewhat salvageable. Knowing that even if results continue to be shit he's not going to be culpable for it. Almost might as well not wish for change knowing its not going to happen.

Time is up anyway, and has been for a while but if we don't win next weekend it really would be madness to continue on with him

stevenurse · Nov 3, 2019

Lighty64 said:
not at all, but I actually believe the collapse last season only away form was a lot down to burnout and injuries.

this season hasn't been helped with injuries to the new players, had Sess not been injured we would have got in early enough, had Lo Celso not got injured I believe we would have seen more minutes, had Lamela not have his injury issues the last 2 results with his work rate instead of Eriksen might have been improved. Had VAR given us decisions v Newcastle, Arsenal, and today (I know VAR saved us twice today, but if the 1st penalty had been given, no one knows how the rest of the match would have played out).

Had Lloris not been injured and fluffed it in the 1st place, no guarantee Brighton would have beaten us.

when Toby was playing well for us, he would move the ball quicker, a few seasons back Rose was rated as one of the best leftbacks, nowadays he is permanently making errors that cost us points. Jan has lost pace or interest, and Eriksen might as well have a deckchair, pipe, and slippers. yes I blame Poch for selecting them, and they obviously make more effort in training than they do on the pitch when it matters.

the thing is does Poch trust Tanganga to be ready to step up? doubt it as he rarely makes the bench. Obviously, if Sess is ready to fill in for Rose you have to understand at the moment he has only just proved fit enough to make the bench, but hopefully him and GLC will be ready sooner than Poch estimated

I really am struggling at the moment to see a manager that could turn these players around. would Toby definitely sign a new contract, and suddenly learn to header a ball again? Would Jan definitely sign another contract, and find his pace again. Rose will be stop daydreaming at times it matters, and we all know the answer to Eriksen, but with GLC not fully up to it yet, and Lamela with his injury issues then who do you play instead of Eriksen?

It was only today that Poch didn't have several options as opposed to playing Eriksen.

Honestly, there are a myriad of choices he has.

As a pure '10' - Lamela, Dele or even Ndombele

He could have a midfield 3 of Sissoko, Ndombele and winks/Dier and have Son, Kane, Alli/Lucas or any combination of those

Now he has Lo Celso, and potentially Sessegnon depending on where he sees him playing.

In short, Eriksen shouldn't play for this club again.

Sid Tottenham · Nov 3, 2019

Really? that game I just watched has no bearing on his future disgusting decision to send son off
I mean whatever you want him out, but let’s not pretend he done much wrong today.

Lighty64 · Nov 3, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
But can you see him coming here and working with levy and constantly one hand tied.

so you don't think Levy's hands were tied when we were building a stadium? a stadium we haven't even had a full season in yet, and spent over 100m this summer. do you honestly believe we were in a position to spend 100m+ a season while the stadium was being built, and the one season we make a record profit we failed to buy the players Poch wanted so decided to buy no one, and then had delays and extra expense with the stadium delays, the extra cost of playing in a half-empty Wembley stadium with a team that was knackered.

Levy doesn't own enough of us, so the person you should be blaming is Joe Lewis who is only as rich as he is through all his other companies as well as Tottenham, perhaps he should have taken the money out of 1 of those and thrown us a few hundred million a season. the reason our interest rates and got secure loans, and even the bonds have been due to the way we have gone about our buisness.

in their 1st 7-8 seasons with Spurs, our nett spend was 200m, once the stadium was agreed it went down

King Ledley 26 · Nov 4, 2019

You know the most worrying part of this all Is there's been no reliable ITK like JJ mention poch leaving or even being under pressure the utter arrogance that somehow being 11th a couple of points off relegation with half our team running their contracts out is acceptable and being actively supported by levy who sacked a trophy winning manager in Ramos after a similar starr (and rightfully so) we talk about making changes in January yet what top player will not want to play CL football at a club on the decline fuming

DCSPUR64 · Nov 4, 2019

King Ledley 26 said:
You know the most worrying part of this all Is there's been no reliable ITK like JJ mention poch leaving or even being under pressure the utter arrogance that somehow being 11th a couple of points off relegation with half our team running their contracts out is acceptable and being actively supported by levy who sacked a trophy winning manager in Ramos after a similar starr (and rightfully so) we talk about making changes in January yet what top player will not want to play CL football at a club on the decline fuming

I actually think Poyet or even Martin Jol was the reason for our 2008 Carling Cup victory, not Ramos. I think Levy wants to give Poch as much time as he can and certainly Poch has done so much for our club, the reason for waiting.

King Ledley 26 · Nov 4, 2019

DCSPUR64 said:
I actually think Poyet or even Martin Jol was the reason for our 2008 Carling Cup victory, not Ramos. I think Levy wants to give Poch as much time as he can and certainly Poch has done so much for our club, the reason for waiting.

We're in a unacceptable position the players are far to good for it and they're no longer motivated by poch the situation can't carry on and it's embarrassing we have so many defending poch

dtxspurs · Nov 4, 2019

Still not sure the grass will be greener on the other side. I can't excuse the late subs and some of the weird line ups, but Lo Celso isn't deemed fit and you can see why when you see how Ndombele is holding up through out a game. This is a guy who thus far in the season essentially has 1 new player in 2 years. It's fucking inexcusable how stale this squad has gotten.

Give him January & Summer to turn it around, the man has shown the ability to recruit some incredible talent in Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sanchez, etc. over other clubs. If the summer went as he had hoped we'd have Bruno Fernandes or Paolo Dybala helping out in attack and Saliba here to fill in defense.

And as soon as someone wants to show me a list of all the players Poch supposedly turned down, I'll buy into the story that it was his fault we didnt buy any players that year. Cause Poch is also in charge of selling players too, which we did swimmingly.

TheAmerican · Nov 4, 2019

Jay. said:
Erik ten Hag?

If we go young it would be Jesse Marsch for me. Unfortunately, I could see Bayern bringing him back as head coach.

Still, I don't think that's what we need. I do think someone who the players will instantly respect will fix most of our problems. Mourinho seems like a good fit for the squad in its current state.

VoteMe4Prez · Nov 4, 2019

We know the reason Poch is still here is because of the last season's Champions League campaign. Was chatting to my brother about him earlier and he has a feeling he may resign before getting the boot.

King Ledley 26 · Nov 4, 2019

dtxspurs said:
Still not sure the grass will be greener on the other side. I can't excuse the late subs and some of the weird line ups, but Lo Celso isn't deemed fit and you can see why when you see how Ndombele is holding up through out a game. This is a guy who thus far in the season essentially has 1 new player in 2 years. It's fucking inexcusable how stale this squad has gotten.

Give him January & Summer to turn it around, the man has shown the ability to recruit some incredible talent in Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sanchez, etc. over other clubs. If the summer went as he had hoped we'd have Bruno Fernandes or Paolo Dybala helping out in attack and Saliba here to fill in defense.

And as soon as someone wants to show me a list of all the players Poch supposedly turned down, I'll buy into the story that it was his fault we didnt buy any players that year. Cause Poch is also in charge of selling players too, which we did swimmingly.

How can the grass be any worse on the other side? Pochettino is stubborn, a arrogant man who really has no right to be so, remember he's won nothing, his football is AVB levels of boring, results are Ramos levels of shit and he's to stubborn to have a DOF come in, to arrogant to drop his favourites and can anyone please name me a manager since Fergie which poch certainly isn't that's turned a situation this bad around

TheAmerican · Nov 4, 2019

VoteMe4Prez said:
We know the reason Poch is still here is because of the last season's Champions League campaign. Was chatting to my brother about him earlier and he has a feeling he may resign before getting the boot.

He's not going to walk away from his buyout.

Lighty64 · Nov 4, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
I know this is rhetorically asked, but I feel the major component is the transfer market. If a dynasty in fact was the object, then one shouldn't need a rebuild in year 5. A coherent, long term, strategy for transfers to keep a dynamic squad rolling on from year to year is needed to have that dynasty. You can't have a constant five year expiration date on the squad.

that's the thing though, he hasn't really built in his 1st 5 seasons, he hasn't been able too due to the stadium. unfortunately for him, our 1st full season start has been a disaster mainly to him picking players that are not committed, and by the sounds of it other players not believing in him (whether that's due to those players being pissed off because he is selecting them).

I hope he does turn it around, but unless the players start doing the business, and him making tactical changes when needed I just can't see it happening. if I knew these players would put the effort in for a new manager I would have him gone now

Marauder · Nov 4, 2019

dtxspurs said:
Still not sure the grass will be greener on the other side. I can't excuse the late subs and some of the weird line ups, but Lo Celso isn't deemed fit and you can see why when you see how Ndombele is holding up through out a game. This is a guy who thus far in the season essentially has 1 new player in 2 years. It's fucking inexcusable how stale this squad has gotten.

Give him January & Summer to turn it around, the man has shown the ability to recruit some incredible talent in Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sanchez, etc. over other clubs. If the summer went as he had hoped we'd have Bruno Fernandes or Paolo Dybala helping out in attack and Saliba here to fill in defense.

And as soon as someone wants to show me a list of all the players Poch supposedly turned down, I'll buy into the story that it was his fault we didnt buy any players that year. Cause Poch is also in charge of selling players too, which we did swimmingly.

Definitely with you on this bud except one thing when you said "the man has shown the ability to recruit some incredible talent in.... Sanchez" :LOL:

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