The Mauricio Pochettino thread

WiganSpur · Oct 28, 2019

scat1620 said:
We need to lose to Everton. It's for the greater good. Like those villagers in Hot Fuzz believed in. I mean, it's been a long time since I saw it, but I think I remember everything turning out basically fine for them.

Sort of agree. But we are rapidly approaching a tipping point where we need results to just stay in the league

Metalhead · Oct 28, 2019

WhiteDane said:
Hopefully not.

I still reckon that he wouldn't appoint Mourinho (assuming that Poch went and Mourinho was even interested) but you never know.

mattdefoe · Oct 28, 2019

I’m thinking about the current situation at the club and my personal view is we have all seen a crap load of manager turnaround in the last few decades at our club. Unless the wage structure and transfer policy changes I do not see how anyone can take us to the next level.

I’m not sure how you all feel but I’d rather finish outside the top 6 and have a cup run and have a go at the league title without Europe next season and all of that with poch in charge

So many fans calling for pochs head . I don’t see in the long run much change if we do that . Only in the short term will we see changes in my opinion

Archibald&Crooks · Oct 28, 2019

Metalhead said:
Hard to disagree. Some have said that they believe that DL would go for a top manager this time and some believe that he would go for another 'project'. Without any ITK it is very difficult to anticipate what DL would do. He seems to prefer someone that he anticipates will be more of a long term fixture but we know from his appointment of Harry and to a lesser extent Sherwood (albeit I think that the latter was someone that he would have seen as a long term prospect had he proven himself) that he will change his stance on occasion.

Thing is, a top manager usually wants a lot of transfer funds and will DL be prepared to step it up in that regard now that extra revenue is coming in? We are in severe danger of losing out on CL revenue for next season and that will almost certainly affect the transfer window.

We've had ITK on his possible successor. Levy has Eddie Howe pretty high up on his shortlist and for me, it's hard to see failure to achieve CL affecting the transfer policy when we've hardly been pushing the boat out even with CL football.

This Pochettino 'project' hasn't gone very well and the minute it hits a brick wall, well, we're seeing the furore on SC so we shouldn't hold out too much hope for the next so called project because lets face it, from the very very top of the club down to the coaching staff, this 'project' has been royally fucked up and I mean from Levy down to Pochettino.

If Howe is the next fall guy then all we should expect is another so called project, a few CL qualifications at best but no real ambition to push for the big prizes excepting maybe the dice landing kindly and we luck out by winning a minor cup, it should finally mean the penny drops as to Levy's actual ambition. But it won't. If people want us to actually, genuinely compete for the title and CL, then we have to throw money at it and a lot of it, surely where we find ourselves now proves that more than ever. So the identity of our next manager could tell us a lot.

Meanwhile, the reality is, we've flattered to deceive, people expected us to challenge for the title based on faith in our manager and our chairman and unless expectations are lowered all we're going to do is find ourselves in the exact same position two, three or four years down the line.

Monkey boy · Oct 28, 2019

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
You're defending a man that has moaned to the media, contradicted himself not once, not twice but thrice in the last two weeks, and the very same man who on the eve of the largest game for Spurs quite possibly in its entire existence decided to make it about himself.

A man that, supposedly, got his top target(s) and (with two has been unfortunate) now continues to bring on of them off of the bench to 'impact' football matches. The same man that gets a result in Europe playing a tried and tested formation, it seems, with players who clearly believe in him and then changes it all for the very next game with players who don't give two shits it seems.

A man that, at the beginning of his tenure, decided the best way to deal with players who aren't interested in his way and methods (with the help of a couple of upstart younger players) got a team of players at least believing in what he was doing. No moaning, no contradictions just either play for me, or don't.

Funnily enough he still has that power and he has at least three 'youthful' players I can think of that would die for a chance to play or be involved in this first team squad - yet he now moans about players who don't want to play and plays them ...

Call it what you like, he is creating his own downfall, he is doing this to himself and he will eventually cost himself his job - which I am still seriously wondering has been his intention since the start of the season.

Never has a Spurs manager whined so much when he himself has the most power any manager I have known in my life time at his disposal.

Don’t usually agree with you but that’s spot on. I’ve tried my hardest not to get drawn in to the Poch out camp but I can no longer resist. That team yesterday after the performance on Tuesday was so baffling yet so predictable. I’ve had a nagging feeling for a while that he wants out but instead of going the honourable thing and walking away he’s taking the cowards way out of trying to get himself the sack. Much like when a guy wants to get out of a relationship with a girl he’ll do stupid things, creep on other women, be an arrogant dick head, throw the occasional I still love you comment in until it comes a point where the girl has had enough and ends it. In his mind, he’ll be the one who has been hard done by, will probably get the sympathy vote from outsiders aswell.

It shouldn’t and didn’t have to end this way MoPo but unfortunately you’ve chosen to do it and for that you’ll always be looked back upon with a certain degree of distain. When people criticise you for not winning anything you’ll no longer have the fans fighting your corner about shoe string budgets and stadium builds, you’ll be on your own pal.

carpediem991 · Oct 28, 2019

mattdefoe said:
I’m thinking about the current situation at the club and my personal view is we have all seen a crap load of manager turnaround in the last few decades at our club. Unless the wage structure and transfer policy changes I do not see how anyone can take us to the next level.

I’m not sure how you all feel but I’d rather finish outside the top 6 and have a cup run and have a go at the league title without Europe next season and all of that with poch in charge

So many fans calling for pochs head . I don’t see in the long run much change if we do that . Only in the short term will we see changes in my opinion

You mean a cup run that we ended this year against fn Colchester? Open your eyes we get trashed by Brighton, do not win away games anymore, have an unsettled squad where 90% of the players are regressing and the young and new ones dont get enough minutes.
Poch is acting weirder in every press conference he does and his ingame management is tactically shocking.

Nothing wrong with missing out on Europe one season. But the club needs to sail in the right direction. And its clearly the opposite.

gaffers · Oct 28, 2019

allatsea said:
Well they were helped by continually selling their best players for huge fees which gave them a huge transfer budget to work with.

Which points to a wall run club unlike this one that struggles to give away players

Metalhead · Oct 28, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
We've had ITK on his possible successor. Levy has Eddie Howe pretty high up on his shortlist and for me, it's hard to see failure to achieve CL affecting the transfer policy when we've hardly been pushing the boat out even with CL football.

This Pochettino 'project' hasn't gone very well and the minute it hits a brick wall, well, we're seeing the furore on SC so we shouldn't hold out too much hope for the next so called project because lets face it, from the very very top of the club down to the coaching staff, this 'project' has been royally fucked up and I mean from Levy down to Pochettino.

If Howe is the next fall guy then all we should expect is another so called project, a few CL qualifications at best but no real ambition to push for the big prizes excepting maybe the dice landing kindly and we luck out by winning a minor cup, it should finally mean the penny drops as to Levy's actual ambition. But it won't. If people want us to actually, genuinely compete for the title and CL, then we have to throw money at it and a lot of it, surely where we find ourselves now proves that more than ever. So the identity of our next manager could tell us a lot.

Meanwhile, the reality is, we've flattered to deceive, people expected us to challenge for the title based on faith in our manager and our chairman and unless expectations are lowered all we're going to do is find ourselves in the exact same position two, three or four years down the line.

We are caught in that limbo between being 'above' the silverware that Spurs are traditionally associated with and not good enough for what we want to win. Hard to imagine DL not aghast at the prospect of losing out on CL revenue but on the other hand, he knows that few managers could achieve CL qualification like Poch has on that budget (although I appreciate that some think that it's not all that special with the players that he has at his disposal) and that's why I think that he is still loathe to jettison Poch.

gaffers · Oct 28, 2019

mattdefoe said:
I’m thinking about the current situation at the club and my personal view is we have all seen a crap load of manager turnaround in the last few decades at our club. Unless the wage structure and transfer policy changes I do not see how anyone can take us to the next level.

I’m not sure how you all feel but I’d rather finish outside the top 6 and have a cup run and have a go at the league title without Europe next season and all of that with poch in charge

So many fans calling for pochs head . I don’t see in the long run much change if we do that . Only in the short term will we see changes in my opinion

there will be no cup run. it's all about CL cash, mate

Archibald&Crooks · Oct 28, 2019

carpediem991 said:
Nothing wrong with missing out on Europe one season. But the club needs to sail in the right direction. And its clearly the opposite.

I agree but in order to miss out on Europe results would have to be poor, which is what we're seeing now. Naturally, that brings massive negativity along with it.

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 28, 2019

At this specific point, I think musing about trophies and which we could or couldn't win and which are below us or even if we could go to the next level, all of that is far from the most urgent points.
Most urgently, we need to avoid falling further. Bringing trophies into the debate now is completely futile.

richard_gleeson · Oct 28, 2019

If we appoint Eddie Howe then I'm telling you now, we will be mid-table every year and Harry Kane won't be here long.

sausage · Oct 28, 2019

gaffers said:
Which points to a wall run club unlike this one that struggles to give away players

So if we sold Kane and Son we'd be well run, but the fact that we can't get rid of players (no different to Liverpool) that are crocked and useless means we're not...?

Danny1 · Oct 28, 2019

The thing is now we are at a point where every single defeat and every single decision is being viewed under a microscope, and rightly so. We have been a dreadful football team for the best part of 10 months and our manager is not helping the situation one bit. Basically he is the captain of a sinking ship and his idea to save it is by emptying the water using a thimble. The guy has lost the plot and has to be replaced.

Unfortunately I don't think he will get the boot, and we will lose to Everton, anyone thinks different has their head in the sand, and will definitely struggle against Sheff Utd resulting in us being in or near the relegation zone. Will that be the kick up the backside that Levy needs to make the right decision? We will see.

sausage · Oct 28, 2019

richard_gleeson said:
If we appoint Eddie Howe then I'm telling you now, we will be mid-table every year and Harry Kane won't be here long.

We'd only get the manager from Bournemouth, not the entire club and squad.

Rout-Ledge · Oct 28, 2019

Mr Pink said:
People need to stop analysing on a game by game basis.

The context is the last 9 months we've been so boring and predictable and havn't won away from home since January.

This form will see us finish mid table at best.

If people want to hope for crumbs on a week by week basis fair enough, but the overall picture is staring you in the face.

He's not going to change what he's doing and how he's handling the squad.

Couldn’t agree more. It reminds me of Ramos’ abysmal start to the 08/09 season when some people were adamant we were playing well in games. The truth is staring us in the face.

scat1620 · Oct 28, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
We've had ITK on his possible successor. Levy has Eddie Howe pretty high up on his shortlist and for me, it's hard to see failure to achieve CL affecting the transfer policy when we've hardly been pushing the boat out even with CL football.

This Pochettino 'project' hasn't gone very well and the minute it hits a brick wall, well, we're seeing the furore on SC so we shouldn't hold out too much hope for the next so called project because lets face it, from the very very top of the club down to the coaching staff, this 'project' has been royally fucked up and I mean from Levy down to Pochettino.

If Howe is the next fall guy then all we should expect is another so called project, a few CL qualifications at best but no real ambition to push for the big prizes excepting maybe the dice landing kindly and we luck out by winning a minor cup, it should finally mean the penny drops as to Levy's actual ambition. But it won't. If people want us to actually, genuinely compete for the title and CL, then we have to throw money at it and a lot of it, surely where we find ourselves now proves that more than ever. So the identity of our next manager could tell us a lot.

Meanwhile, the reality is, we've flattered to deceive, people expected us to challenge for the title based on faith in our manager and our chairman and unless expectations are lowered all we're going to do is find ourselves in the exact same position two, three or four years down the line.

We can't lower expectations whilst the club are charging the eye-watering prices that they do. So even though I'd be aghast if we moved for a Howe-type rather than a Mourinho-type, the silver lining to that dark cloud is that maybe such an appointment would lift the scales from people's eyes on the Board and attendances would drop at the new stadium. Which you'd hope would be the catalyst for the club to either lower its ticket prices, or alternatively start acting on the pitch like a club who can justify its highest-in-the-world ticket prices.

Not going to happen though, the ENIC gravy train will keep rolling on.

stonebrow · Oct 28, 2019

Ancelloti, Benitez or Mourinho for me... someone who would players would respect and proven winners. I’d add Allegri to that list but honestly know very little about the bloke apart from Juve doing well when he was there.

glacierSpurs · Oct 28, 2019

We have Ballon d'Or nominees and we are thinking of getting Eddie Howe...

Edited: from Balloon to Ballon. Perhaps Eddie Howe will be apt for managing Balloon d'Or nominees. ?

ackie · Oct 28, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
We've had ITK on his possible successor. Levy has Eddie Howe pretty high up on his shortlist and for me, it's hard to see failure to achieve CL affecting the transfer policy when we've hardly been pushing the boat out even with CL football.

This Pochettino 'project' hasn't gone very well and the minute it hits a brick wall, well, we're seeing the furore on SC so we shouldn't hold out too much hope for the next so called project because lets face it, from the very very top of the club down to the coaching staff, this 'project' has been royally fucked up and I mean from Levy down to Pochettino.

If Howe is the next fall guy then all we should expect is another so called project, a few CL qualifications at best but no real ambition to push for the big prizes excepting maybe the dice landing kindly and we luck out by winning a minor cup, it should finally mean the penny drops as to Levy's actual ambition. But it won't. If people want us to actually, genuinely compete for the title and CL, then we have to throw money at it and a lot of it, surely where we find ourselves now proves that more than ever. So the identity of our next manager could tell us a lot.

Meanwhile, the reality is, we've flattered to deceive, people expected us to challenge for the title based on faith in our manager and our chairman and unless expectations are lowered all we're going to do is find ourselves in the exact same position two, three or four years down the line.

I wonder what Kane and others would think if we did appoint Howe.
Good manager but not class imo and not who we need right now.

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