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Well you just probably say if we didn't score early, and Gazza wasn't amazing in net we would have been smashed 5-0, and that would be the end of Poch (hopefully). Now we will have more shitty weeks to come, as Levy won't pull the trigger.
 

Dr Benson

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Disagree entirely. The one thing you can't do is to put the club in a negative light through rudeness and generally petulant behaviour.
Well, you can admit the tactics were wrong, okay. But admitting the wrong selection of players is difficult, cause you're sort of criticizing the players then. And he probably doesn't want to go that road now in his position. Its more important that he admits this to the board, not The Sun..?
 

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Well, you can admit the tactics were wrong, okay. But admitting the wrong selection of players is difficult, cause you're sort of criticizing the players then. And he probably doesn't want to go that road now in his position. Its more important that he admits this to the board, not The Sun..?
Sure, that's true. But it can be presented more convoluted. Eg. "Its possible that I failed to utilise the squad as a whole to the best of their abilities". Which is true because Lucas Moura didn't start in a 433.
 

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Next up will be complaints that we scored at all. "AMigo, we were controlling the game and si, hombre! The plan it was good. But then that gringo Harry Kane came up and scored, and since it for me is very hard to know what to do". This fear of goals ties in well with Lucas Moura not playing.

you're aware he's not Mexican, yeah?
 

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Yesterday's performance against Liverpool isn't as bad as many are moaning about.
We lost 2 1 because of s stupidity from our RB.

Some players played very well and tried their best.
Aurier and Eriksen didn't convince me.

Ndombele and lo celso will be fantastic for us.
I think Lamela, Son,Kane, a fit Alli and Lucas with those two is excellent creativity and attack. Obviously the problem is defensive.

All we need is a DM and RB imo.

Can someone explain to me why we don't play Dier or Foyte at RB?
 
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Wow, some of you people. It's amazing the wave of folks jumping on Poch but not really having a handle on the situation. Get rid of your entitlement that has been borne of the the good work he has done. The second we didn't fill the gaping holes in this squad and get rid of the players that wanted out top 4 was off the cards - before the season even started. We did not get the painful rebuild we were told was going to happen and now this season will be difficult. How could your expectations be anything but that? The second half of 17-18 was not good and we let ManU pip us. Last season, the whole season and not just the miserable 2nd half, was crap long ball football with no structure. And now this year...

Some people have levied certain criticisms on the players for a few seasons but it's met with happy clappy bs instead of reflection ie 'No, X is world class derp derp derp'. But now that we do not have a functioning team we are seeing that many of our players are not good enough as they lack many of the basic footballing fundamentals.

Take Eriksen. I've defended him his whole time here for being a pussy. I recognized what he was but he was out only creative player and there is no reason to get hurt. But how long have DL/Poch allowed us to go with 1 player being our creative outlet? It is a ridiculous personnel decision. But I have always said that competent footballers can easily replace many of the 'derp derp derp world class' footballers we have and we see that in Ndombele and GLC. They are so much more dangerous merely because they can receive and pass the ball under pressure, basic MF qualities that are lacking in many of our players.

Poch has his faults but they ahve always been there and many have pointed them out, as you can expect, to much criticism from the happy clappy derp derp derp militia. You know how it goes, someone says Poch should start this person or do X, Y, or Z and someone chimes in "so you know more than Poch derp derp derp". Though it's now accepted that his subs are shit (not necessarily changing anything tactically) or very late but those that were first to notice had to suffer the happy clappers' BS. But now you all got your pitchforks and torches and are ready to storm the gates but are still missing the f*cking point. He is still the same manager he always was and with the same faults. It's the players and the personnel decisions. Poch faults are there but they always have been there.

Who else would get more from a group with 5 wantaways from the past year's lineup? Some scream play the other guys but he's got to keep the others sweet until they leave. They may be needed. And, and this is important, why throw a ragtag lineup of players expected to be important for us going forward until there is some semblence of order/teamwork. The man is not working with his expected team yet your expectations are the same. there is the disconnect.

I don't expect top 4 and didn't in the summer. We did not get the painful rebuild we needed. Players allowed to get to their last years without competition was a lesson supposedly learned but apparently was not. But yall need Poch's head to salve your entitled wounds. If he feels let down by the club and doesn't want to be here then fine. But if he wants to be here then there is nothing so far in this season that has made me change my view from the summer. And that view is we aren't good enough, the players are not good enough, and we are going to suffer this season. Losing at Anfield doesn't change that. Did any rational person expect anything different?
You're defending a man that has moaned to the media, contradicted himself not once, not twice but thrice in the last two weeks, and the very same man who on the eve of the largest game for Spurs quite possibly in its entire existence decided to make it about himself.

A man that, supposedly, got his top target(s) and (with two has been unfortunate) now continues to bring on of them off of the bench to 'impact' football matches. The same man that gets a result in Europe playing a tried and tested formation, it seems, with players who clearly believe in him and then changes it all for the very next game with players who don't give two shits it seems.

A man that, at the beginning of his tenure, decided the best way to deal with players who aren't interested in his way and methods (with the help of a couple of upstart younger players) got a team of players at least believing in what he was doing. No moaning, no contradictions just either play for me, or don't.

Funnily enough he still has that power and he has at least three 'youthful' players I can think of that would die for a chance to play or be involved in this first team squad - yet he now moans about players who don't want to play and plays them ...

Call it what you like, he is creating his own downfall, he is doing this to himself and he will eventually cost himself his job - which I am still seriously wondering has been his intention since the start of the season.

Never has a Spurs manager whined so much when he himself has the most power any manager I have known in my life time at his disposal.
 

Metalhead

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I'm amazed at how many people are talking about what Mourinho would do with the lineup like it's a done deal. Even if Levy was about to sack Poch - and there is nothing to suggest that he will - there is no guarantee that he would bring Mourinho in.
 

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What we do not know is the general situation and atmosphere of the group. What did Trippier mean when he said terrible things happened that they were not allowed to talk about, or something like that..? Have Jan slept with Eriksens girl? How does this contract situation of Eriksen, Vert and Toby affect the group? How is Poch handling this? Etc. And could a new manager like Mourinho be a solution? If the problems stick deeper than tactics and player selection, it is off course more complicated and maybe a quick fix isn't possible? I dont know. Just some thoughts..
 

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That's pretty good work for someone that been on here for 6 months and showed up right before the CL final. You hang in there mate. I hear 8 months is the turning point then it's smooth sailing from there.

It's possible, just possible, that this person supported Tottenham before joining SC.
 

glacierSpurs

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You're defending a man that has moaned to the media, contradicted himself not once, not twice but thrice in the last two weeks, and the very same man who on the eve of the largest game for Spurs quite possibly in its entire existence decided to make it about himself.

A man that, supposedly, got his top target(s) and (with two has been unfortunate) now continues to bring on of them off of the bench to 'impact' football matches. The same man that gets a result in Europe playing a tried and tested formation, it seems, with players who clearly believe in him and then changes it all for the very next game with players who don't give two shits it seems.

A man that, at the beginning of his tenure, decided the best way to deal with players who aren't interested in his way and methods (with the help of a couple of upstart younger players) got a team of players at least believing in what he was doing. No moaning, no contradictions just either play for me, or don't.

Funnily enough he still has that power and he has at least three 'youthful' players I can think of that would die for a chance to play or be involved in this first team squad - yet he now moans about players who don't want to play and plays them ...

Call it what you like, he is creating his own downfall, he is doing this to himself and he will eventually cost himself his job - which I am still seriously wondering has been his intention since the start of the season.

Never has a Spurs manager whined so much when he himself has the most power any manager I have known in my life time at his disposal.
I knew there will be someone who can spell these out as good as this.

Those people who chose to stand by Poch without any tinge of resentment had my utmost respect if they are not being delusional.
 
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I'm amazed at how many people are talking about what Mourinho would do with the lineup like it's a done deal. Even if Levy was about to sack Poch - and there is nothing to suggest that he will - there is no guarantee that he would bring Mourinho in.
Therein is my problem with this. Levy/Enic may have brought the stadium but with that comes more expectation, replacing Poch with another manager of his ilk won't wash (I wouldn't have thought) with a fan base that now has modern expectations. 'Projects' won't cut it when you pay top £ to go to football with out an end product.

Attacking, exciting football with a young up and comer is fine but when you want something tangible to come with it as well, then I expect people will want a winner ... Winners want money to add to squads and Levy/Enic aren't often interested - (if at all)

What a conundrum.
 

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I still think the circumstances of what happened to Hugo messed that game up, and Brighton are not the same team that Houghton managed. They are definitely a more pressing and offensive team under their new manager. they also gave a young lad his chance and sometimes it pays off. I also think they have been very unlucky to not have more points on the board.

the weird thing about the Liverpool game is I honestly believe Ndombele for Winks, and Moura for Eriksen would have produced a better set up. had we still lost I most probably would have still been in the keep him. I even think a double sub at halftime with those 2, and brought Lo Celso on for Alli after 60 might of seen us get a result

THIS. I don’t understand how Poch couldn’t see what we all could. Or maybe he refuses to.

Anyone watching the last 20minutes of the 1st half would know we needed to change At half-time. Use the good fortune that you’re 1-0 up at half-time, fix what was going wrong, and go onto try and win the game. Instead he is reactive rather than proactive. I firmly believe that he decides what subs he’ll make and when before the game is even kicked off and he doesn’t beer from this plan unless there’s an injury/sending off. What was the point of giving Moura 8 minutes and Lo Celso 5 minutes??

I’ve never firmly been Poch out but I’m seriously starting to think he’s not the great manger he thinks or I thought he is.
 

shoggy33

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People on both sides of the argument talking about missing out on top 4 really aren't getting the gravity of the situation. On current form we will be flirting with relegation this year, that's how bad we have become.
 

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I still think the circumstances of what happened to Hugo messed that game up, and Brighton are not the same team that Houghton managed. They are definitely a more pressing and offensive team under their new manager. they also gave a young lad his chance and sometimes it pays off. I also think they have been very unlucky to not have more points on the board.

the weird thing about the Liverpool game is I honestly believe Ndombele for Winks, and Moura for Eriksen would have produced a better set up. had we still lost I most probably would have still been in the keep him. I even think a double sub at halftime with those 2, and brought Lo Celso on for Alli after 60 might of seen us get a result

I agree with your second paragraph but it was entirely predictable that we didn't see any of that.
 
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I'm amazed at how many people are talking about what Mourinho would do with the lineup like it's a done deal. Even if Levy was about to sack Poch - and there is nothing to suggest that he will - there is no guarantee that he would bring Mourinho in.

Hopefully not.
 

Mr Pink

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Yesterday's performance against Liverpool isn't as bad as many are moaning about.
We lost 2 1 because of s stupidity from our RB.

Some players played very well and tried their best.
Aurier and Eriksen didn't convince me.

Ndombele and lo celso will be fantastic for us.
I think Lamela, Son,Kane, a fit Alli and Lucas with those two is excellent creativity and attack. Obviously the problem is defensive.

All we need is a DM and RB imo.

Can someone explain to me why we don't play Dier or Foyte at RB?

People need to stop analysing on a game by game basis.

The context is the last 9 months we've been so boring and predictable and havn't won away from home since January.

This form will see us finish mid table at best.

If people want to hope for crumbs on a week by week basis fair enough, but the overall picture is staring you in the face.

He's not going to change what he's doing and how he's handling the squad.
 

Metalhead

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Therein is my problem with this. Levy/Enic may have brought the stadium but with that comes more expectation, replacing Poch with another manager of his ilk won't wash (I wouldn't have thought) with a fan base that now has modern expectations. 'Projects' won't cut it when you pay top £ to go to football with out an end product.

Attacking, exciting football with a young up and comer is fine but when you want something tangible to come with it as well, then I expect people will want a winner ... Winners want money to add to squads and Levy/Enic aren't often interested - (if at all)

What a conundrum.
Hard to disagree. Some have said that they believe that DL would go for a top manager this time and some believe that he would go for another 'project'. Without any ITK it is very difficult to anticipate what DL would do. He seems to prefer someone that he anticipates will be more of a long term fixture but we know from his appointment of Harry and to a lesser extent Sherwood (albeit I think that the latter was someone that he would have seen as a long term prospect had he proven himself) that he will change his stance on occasion.

Thing is, a top manager usually wants a lot of transfer funds and will DL be prepared to step it up in that regard now that extra revenue is coming in? We are in severe danger of losing out on CL revenue for next season and that will almost certainly affect the transfer window.
 
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