The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Cambridge Spur · Oct 19, 2019

Do some of you really think that Real Madrid are going to want Pochettino....The self confessed ‘I need young players to boss around’ manager. He can’t handle our so called big names how on earth will he cut it there?!

Yiddo100 · Oct 19, 2019

Doctor Dinkey said:
Yeah, it was pretty quiet and tense, although livened up towards the end. The problem was we fell behind really early, and our play was so dire in the first half it was hardly surprising the stadium was quiet. We’ve seen far too many shit performances there since moving in and it’s obviously beginning to grate with the crowd.

I can understand why it was so tense but some of the moaning and groaning was so unnecessary most of the time

rabbikeane · Oct 19, 2019

Mr Pink said:
A hammering by Liverpool will precipitate it I'd bet.

I fear it will be really embarrassing, like record breaking, result that will be next to our name on wikipedia forever type of score. Pochettino's Spurs already in the history books as having the worst defeat in UEFA competition by any English side on home soil EVER

Cambridge Spur · Oct 19, 2019

I’m in the south row 36 and you can see a pattern unfolding. The die hard season ticket holders are attending less and less and their tickets are being taken by tourists, most of whom I’m not convinced even support Spurs. I try my best to get behind the team and join in with all the songs. Don’t get me wrong, I throw a few fucks around when things aren’t going well but generally I’m trying. The problem I found was I was getting stared at for even trying to sing and shout, then when the atmosphere did improve they all got their phones out and were filming it! I’m not against newcomers but these people aren’t even football fans, they’re just there for some sort of kudos! I haven’t posted my seat yet and I hope I don’t but more and more are just selling their tickets on and only turning up for the big games. I’m not sure what the answer is but half and half scarfs against Watford? Really?!

VancouverSpur · Oct 19, 2019

He is done and it’s only a matter of time now. He will say all the usual shit about togetherness and the project and how he plans to rebuild etc but its over. 5 years is a long time for a Premier League manager let alone without any change in backroom staff.

It is crystal clear this group of players are no longer playing for Poch or Spurs as it’s been awful for best part of a year. I would be stunned if he is around come the end of the season and that is being kind. It all comes down to if Levy rips the bandaid or just limps along until the season is beyond us.

It’s tough as there is emotion connected to the good times we have had over the last few years. However it will be an absolute travesty that this group of players never lifted a trophy...an absolute fucking travesty.

Primativ · Oct 19, 2019

Does anyone read Pochs quotes and see a man who wants to be here for a rebuild or is convincing at all about what he’s saying?

I think it’s so blatantly obvious he wants out.
The players want him out, everyone has lost belief in the project and the manager. They aren’t playing for him at all, his tactics are useless.

I’m actually gobsmacked more of the media haven’t turned on him and made more mention out of how shit we’ve been. You hardly see any journalists mention the poor results and performances. He certainly has the media on his side.
Poch is saying all the right things in the press, the verbal version of going through the motions, but he’s running out of excuses.
Surely Levy has to act now.

dk-yid · Oct 19, 2019

Phil-spur99 said:
To my mind we’ve been poor since Wolves came from behind to beat us at Wembley, then the wheels have fallen off. The run to CL final just papered over the cracks.

However, I thought we would start afresh this season but it is the same crap as we’ve had since January. As I’ve said before I think it’s combination of factors and overall I’ve been more in favour of shifting out the players that don’t want to be here than the best manager we’ve had in my lifetime. However,I do think he’s lost half the dressing room and it appears players like Harry, Son, Lloris (who I thought would be pro-Poch) are not outing the ones that don’t want to be there and pulling them up which looks bad news.

That said, I’m sick of a different formation / system and personnel every week. No wonder the players look confused and timid. This rotation is bollocks, Liverpool pretty much play the same team every week and they play more games than us! Playing 3 CBs at home to Watford is ridiculous as is playing 2 holding midfielders at Colchester. These decisions are on Poch and I don’t know how he justifies it! I don’t see us winning on Tuesday and only hope we don’t get humiliated by Liverpool. I don’t expect Levy to sack Poch but I now don’t think he can turn it around.

Can't disagree with most of that, though for me the wolves result, bad as it was, was followed by 15 from 18 points I believe. It did show some concerning traits but for me the real turning point was the Burnley game in Feb. After that our confidence started fading and we were figured out with no response.

Meanwhile we started to tire (WC related), started picking up injuries and didn't bring in fresh facces to cover the emerging gaps in our squad.

Cambridge Spur · Oct 19, 2019

Primativ said:
Does anyone read Pochs quotes and see a man who wants to be here for a rebuild or is convincing at all about what he’s saying?

I think it’s so blatantly obvious he wants out.
The players want him out, everyone has lost belief in the project and the manager. They aren’t playing for him at all, his tactics are useless.

I’m actually gobsmacked more of the media haven’t turned on him and made more mention out of how shit we’ve been. You hardly see any journalists mention the poor results and performances. He certainly has the media on his side.
Poch is saying all the right things in the press, the verbal version of going through the motions, but he’s running out of excuses.
Surely Levy has to act now.

I really hope he goes as soon as possible for everyone’s sake. I can’t see it happening though. I’m worried that this will continue for a while yet.

Hakkz · Oct 19, 2019

Primativ said:
Does anyone read Pochs quotes and see a man who wants to be here for a rebuild or is convincing at all about what he’s saying?

I think it’s so blatantly obvious he wants out.
The players want him out, everyone has lost belief in the project and the manager. They aren’t playing for him at all, his tactics are useless.

I’m actually gobsmacked more of the media haven’t turned on him and made more mention out of how shit we’ve been. You hardly see any journalists mention the poor results and performances. He certainly has the media on his side.
Poch is saying all the right things in the press, the verbal version of going through the motions, but he’s running out of excuses.
Surely Levy has to act now.

That's all thanks to the Solskjaer and Woodward circus up north.

soup · Oct 19, 2019

VancouverSpur said:
It’s tough as there is emotion connected to the good times we have had over the last few years. However it will be an absolute travesty that this group of players never lifted a trophy...an absolute fucking travesty.

Yep, and not only that, we now seem to have wrecked the confidence, the harmony, the togetherness, the spirit and for the meantime, the talent and expression of them all too. To me this isn't the product of a top manager, or coach.

Again, I can't remember another club having such constant crap in the papers about so many players wanting to move to pastures new all of a sudden, and a handful of others who are deemed surplus to requirements, with a manager who flirts so openly with Madrid but calls us the best club in the world. Tells us he'd leave for them, but sticks around when he doesn't get the call. It's no surprise he's so open to using the players who feel exactly the same as he does about being here.

Kane, Alli and Son won't put up with this forever either. Dier is apparently past his best. Aurier is being touted about, and so is Rose, also after new challenges probably. Moura is hardly flavour of the month with Poch. Lloris is lacking confidence and has dislocated his elbow.

Skipp looked good, but forget that. Tanganga looked impressive in pre-season, but nope. N'Dombele, our record signing is on the bench. Lo Celso has 'lots of players ahead of him'.

There's not many players left.

But, we don't need anyone this January. Yes we do, no we don't, yes we do.

For me, this hasn't been well managed at all. He is lacking several qualities to become a top coach at present. I'm sure he has the tools to change, but I don't think it'll be here. He's got a long career ahead of him and he'll learn from this clusterfuck.

Expectations, eh? I was expecting this season to be great in the new stadium and never in my wildest dreams imagined we'd be in this current drama. It's almost at the point of depressing.

As they say, never expect, when you don't get what you expect life isn't fair, but when you do it's usually not as good as you thought it'd be.

synththfc · Oct 19, 2019

The best time to sack him was after Brighton. The next best time was yesterday. The next best time is right now.

topper · Oct 19, 2019

rabbikeane said:
I fear it will be really embarrassing, like record breaking, result that will be next to our name on wikipedia forever type of score. Pochettino's Spurs already in the history books as having the worst defeat in UEFA competition by any English side on home soil EVER

so 1-0 to us then

SPURSLIFE · Oct 19, 2019

sidford said:
They have 18 points after 9 games which is nowhere near what Perez would expect after the level of investment and couple that with the mauling they got against a PSG missing their biggest names and I think he he's under a lot pressure.

Madrid taking poch would solve Levy's big headache as to what to do now

Personally I think Poch's status has dropped a lot in the last few months and the top clubs see him as a nearly man which is what I think he is. Not a winner but great to bring young players along. I think clubs like Utd and RM could have changed their minds about him and he's here for the long haul unless it gets even worse and Levy fires him which at the moment seems likely.

dimiSpur · Oct 19, 2019

double0 said:
The fans have a major part to play, booing the team isn't going to help. I remember when we were really shit we had excellent supporters home and away.

I'm in the sceptical group, ie I'm not sure sacking Poch is the answer and I am still hopeful he will stay and put things right.

However I cannot agree with that. 1-0 down at half time with that performance in the first half warranted booing off. We're not there to support them even if they can't be arsed. It obviously caused a reaction as Poch actually made a HT sub and we looked slightly better.

If we were unlucky to be 1 nil down, I'd say you're right, but that was fucking unacceptable and in the end, it cost us.

Lighty64 · Oct 19, 2019

Shadydan said:
I feel that Poch has kinda given up and just waiting for the time when Levy fires him, ultimately I feel that Levy won't want to sack him because of the huge payout and he's possibly waiting for Real/Utd to come in for him but he's not gonna win this one especially if results and performances are just going to get worst every week. The way the players are playing this situation can't go on for much longer.

I totally agree, this situation can't go on.

the trouble is 3 of the worst players at the moment are players I believe Poch would be happy to see go tomorrow if possible, but at the moment is playing them because of either rotation or he feels their stand-ins are just not up to it yet, or their replacements are injured.

Rose > Davies & Sess. Davies played 2 games for Wales so no way was he playing today, I hope Sess is fit enough to play v Red Star so Davies can play v Liverpool, because if Salah is fit he will tear Rose a new 1.

Jan > ? not sure Poch was too happy with Sanchez and Toby role at the start, and would he want to throw Tanganga in just yet

Toby > Sanchez & Foyth does he trust both to play together at the moment as a partnership

the thing is even if we sacked Poch now, it doesn't mean those 3 plus Eriksen will start playing for the new manager either. I honestly don't know whether those 3 above and Eriksen are that interested in playing for Tottenham anymore, considering all 4 are now amongst our lowest paid earners

Sandros Shiny Head · Oct 19, 2019

Primativ said:
Does anyone read Pochs quotes and see a man who wants to be here for a rebuild or is convincing at all about what he’s saying?

I think it’s so blatantly obvious he wants out.
The players want him out, everyone has lost belief in the project and the manager. They aren’t playing for him at all, his tactics are useless.

I’m actually gobsmacked more of the media haven’t turned on him and made more mention out of how shit we’ve been. You hardly see any journalists mention the poor results and performances. He certainly has the media on his side.
Poch is saying all the right things in the press, the verbal version of going through the motions, but he’s running out of excuses.
Surely Levy has to act now.

The crazy thing with the media is that they were quick to have a go after the city 2-2 game saying how awful we were and lucky to get a point, but now that the performances haven’t improved and the results are worse they’ve forgotten about it. Like they know they’d have to criticise Poch now but can’t bring themselves to do it.
If they did then they’d have no way of convincing everyone that a guy that’s never won anything and completely lost the plot at Spurs is the man to take over at Utd

Lighty64 · Oct 20, 2019

slartibartfast said:
Whats more shocking than the result, performance and team selection, etc, is that anybody, and there were quite a few, thought that anything else was going to happen.
I more amazed we never lost.

Levy is not, despite what some say, an idiot.
I think we'll wait until after the drubbing from Liverpool and then Poch will be gone as others have eluded to.
We cannot have a new £1b stadium trying to sell naming rights floundering around the bottom half of the table and clearly Poch has no idea how to turn this around.
To be fair with the state of mind for Eriksen, Toby, Vertonghen, Rose being shit and Lloris being out for a long while its going to be hard for anyone to get us top 4.
Positives being Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U are harsly looking world beaters themselves, they're scraping results.
Imo we need a proper defensive midfielder like Dier, Parker, Polacios, a sandro type player. Neither Winks or Sissoko can do that job properly. Disagree but the proof is in the pudding.
And we need to start making feeding Kane our top priority, and quickly not 98 passes later.
Its a shit show and no mistake.
Letting a squad get into this state amounts to incompetence frankly which is partially down to Levy and Poch for keeping players that do not want to be here. This is the result.

we are still 7th and to fall lower, Man U would have to beat Liverpool by 2 goals, and Sheff Utd would need to beat Arsenal by 3

scat1620 · Oct 20, 2019

Dougal said:
Objectively is to discount our performances and look at the figures. As bad as we think we are there are only 6 teams doing any better and 13 doing worse. Levy will play his usual poker game and let everyone around him have the meltdowns.

And that's why, if we want to win things again, we need a new manager AND new owners. ENIC demonstrably aren't here to win us trophies.

fuzzylogic · Oct 20, 2019

I didn't think I'd ever say this but just sack him. Players are not interested, he's acting like a spoilt wee fanny. Just sick of the way we are playing now. The whole I don't think we will spend in January thing fucked me off along with the performances over the last 9 months. If he doesn't see we need to improve and want to sign players in any window to improve then we are really fucked

scat1620 · Oct 20, 2019

I for one totally blame @Stoof for not Smurf-ing Pochettino. He could have turned it all around by himself by applying his anti-jinx avatar.

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