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philll

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After Bayern I was thinking that if we got 6 points out of 6 against Brighton and Watford we'd be ok. So here we are with 1 point from 6 and we're most definitely not ok. It doesn't seem to matter what formation we play, we are *so* easy to play against and predictable.

I'm sitting here watching City have chance after chance away against Palace and we just drew at home to fucking Watford. After losing to Brighton. After getting spanked by Bayern. After failing to score in open play against fucking Colchester. FUCK.

The club social media accounts can release all the contrived "happy" photos they want but there are clearly deep lying problems with this manager and these players.
 
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mpickard2087 said:
As I was saying at HT to @scat1620 , I'm not Poch out yet but I can only repeat what I said before the international break. Some of these players are just going through the motions and are going to get him sacked if he doesn't change things. And we are talking about senior, core group players who have a real effect on proceedings and what is being played out.

Not just on todays game, but I'd say there are five of them in particular who look a bit detached and/or are going through the motions. That doesn't mean we're getting no efmove them. If he doesn't it will all end in tears.

We need eleven players out on the pitch who are hungry and want to give there all. That's the starting point before we get to quality of football and winning matches.
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Agree with a lot of this but feel Kane is more about game management and kicking out the little injuries such as that in CL Semi. But maybe you can put pressure on without physical contact ? Maybe his body not up to it ?
 
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mpickard2087 said:
As I was saying at HT to @scat1620 , I'm not Poch out yet but I can only repeat what I said before the international break. Some of these players are just going through the motions and are going to get him sacked if he doesn't change things. And we are talking about senior, core group players who have a real effect on proceedings and what is being played out.

Not just on todays game, but I'd say there are five of them in particular who look a bit detached and/or are going through the motions. That doesn't mean we're getting no effort from them, it doesn't mean they don't still make impacts on the game, but I don't see 100% focus and a hunger for the cause.

They are:

Eriksen - Lets get the obvious one out of the way first. Been unsettled for ages and we've seen the clear effect on his game.

Rose - Physical decline, but just seems to play even more with his head in the clouds and back to switching off constantly.

Vertonghen - Also showing signs of decline, another who is getting caught out from switching off and going through the motions.

Alderweireld - Daft errors/play with and without the ball increasingly being seen.

Kane - I fully expect to get abuse for this one, but he's going on the list. Just plodding around half-heartedly for the most part. Just on todays game, people will no doubt point out the handful of times he got angry and chased something and say that shows he's fine and I'm talking crap, but he doesn't press and even when we have the ball I can point you to umpteen times today when eg. a cross went in and he's just stood looking rather than trying to get on it. There's far too much of that currently.

You can argue everyone else's strengths and weaknesses, tactics and what the manager is doing wrong etc, and they're all problems that require fixing, but I see those five as the biggest problem that needs rectifying, ASAP. And they're arguably the most senior players, age/profile/tenure at the club and must have substantial weight in the dressing room. I think some are totally a lost cause, in that case remove them. If he doesn't it will all end in tears.

We need eleven players out on the pitch who are hungry and want to give there all. That's the starting point before we get to quality of football and winning matches.
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You're right.

Moura did more than him when they were on the pitch together and Son/Lamela did more when they came on.

9 goals in open play in 2019.
 
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Players not delivering, but still very able players.
If it is just motivational, then a change at the top could make all the difference without huge overhaul.
Look at how some of these play for their international teams, they’re still quality, just not performing for Poch.
 
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mpickard2087 said:
As I was saying at HT to @scat1620 , I'm not Poch out yet but I can only repeat what I said before the international break. Some of these players are just going through the motions and are going to get him sacked if he doesn't change things. And we are talking about senior, core group players who have a real effect on proceedings and what is being played out.

Not just on todays game, but I'd say there are five of them in particular who look a bit detached and/or are going through the motions. That doesn't mean we're getting no effort from them, it doesn't mean they don't still make impacts on the game, but I don't see 100% focus and a hunger for the cause.

They are:

Eriksen - Lets get the obvious one out of the way first. Been unsettled for ages and we've seen the clear effect on his game.

Rose - Physical decline, but just seems to play even more with his head in the clouds and back to switching off constantly.

Vertonghen - Also showing signs of decline, another who is getting caught out from switching off and going through the motions.

Alderweireld - Daft errors/play with and without the ball increasingly being seen.

Kane - I fully expect to get abuse for this one, but he's going on the list. Just plodding around half-heartedly for the most part. Just on todays game, people will no doubt point out the handful of times he got angry and chased something and say that shows he's fine and I'm talking crap, but he doesn't press and even when we have the ball I can point you to umpteen times today when eg. a cross went in and he's just stood looking rather than trying to get on it. There's far too much of that currently.

You can argue everyone else's strengths and weaknesses, tactics and what the manager is doing wrong etc, and they're all problems that require fixing, but I see those five as the biggest problem that needs rectifying, ASAP. And they're arguably the most senior players, age/profile/tenure at the club and must have substantial weight in the dressing room. I think some are totally a lost cause, in that case remove them. If he doesn't it will all end in tears.

We need eleven players out on the pitch who are hungry and want to give there all. That's the starting point before we get to quality of football and winning matches.
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It's not the players that are ultimately to blame for Poch getting the sack though. Everything that has led us to where we are now is primarily a Poch problem. The players were not this shit last season and I would argue that the unrest was clear towards the late stage of last season.

The training, the system, the inept tactics are the direct cause of the effect of what we are seeing now. Poch isn't astute enough to turn this around because it is his inability to have a tactical answer and give the team another system to deploy that doesn't leave them questioning.

I'm saying right now that every one of those players has lost the ability to have faith in Poch. Not one of those players is playing for him right now and it is hugely detrimental keeping here at the club.

Poch really has brought this upon himself and sooner or later he was always going to get found wanting once his high-intensity counter-press become ineffective.
 
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Surely enough is enough now. The team is more important than one person and our form, playing style and confidence has been utterly garbage for the best part of a year!

How anyone can survive that I don’t know, let alone at a clubs supposed to be going for top 4!
 
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We are told Poch has always had final say on incoming signings, so these are his players that are not performing for him. Players he sees train every day, and sets them up to play however he sees fit. If the players have declined, then he has taken his eye off the ball if he hasn’t evolved the squad, and has allowed key players to go into the last year of their contracts.
Then he rolls out media gems like ‘we don’t need to buy in January’...
 
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“When you concede an early goal it’s always tough” Same shit different week, joke :banghead:
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It's really not difficult if Liverpool had got caught with an early goal they would have increased the tempo and intensity and eventually won 3 or 4 -1 not scrape a draw it's pathetic from poch to suggest otherwise
 
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I can tell you all now it's gone way past what formation we play.
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I sensed that a while back to be honest. The whole structure of his system has crumbled it seems and the players are letting him know the only way they know how.
 
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Regardless of my feelings about him, I will be amazed if he goes before Liverpool and even then I don’t think Levy will fire him at least before winter.
 
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I’m willing to accept the idea of a “painful rebuild” if Poch actually started showing signs of implementing it. Instead I’m just seeing the same old stale team selections and tactics every week.

Poch needs to start trusting the players signed for the future. Players like Ndombele and Sanchez should be starting every game, not being left on the bench or being hooked at half time when we are playing shit as collective.

Foyth has played for Argentina and Sessegnon and Lo Celso are in full training now. Poch needs to get them in the team ASAP. I don’t care about “easing players in”. They cannot do any worse than the shit we are seeing at the moment.
 
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More than anything else. I truly believe that if Poch remains in charge for the rest of the season we will be in the bottom half and may possibly get dragged into a relegation battle.
 
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Ghost Hardware said:
Regardless of my feelings about him, I will be amazed if he goes before Liverpool and even then I don’t think Levy will fire him at least before winter.
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He will start getting twitchy if a 6th place finish starts to become a real uphill task. I think that would be a case of far too little too late though
 
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mpickard2087 said:
As I was saying at HT to @scat1620 , I'm not Poch out yet but I can only repeat what I said before the international break. Some of these players are just going through the motions and are going to get him sacked if he doesn't change things. And we are talking about senior, core group players who have a real effect on proceedings and what is being played out.

Not just on todays game, but I'd say there are five of them in particular who look a bit detached and/or are going through the motions. That doesn't mean we're getting no effort from them, it doesn't mean they don't still make impacts on the game, but I don't see 100% focus and a hunger for the cause.

They are:

Eriksen - Lets get the obvious one out of the way first. Been unsettled for ages and we've seen the clear effect on his game.

Rose - Physical decline, but just seems to play even more with his head in the clouds and back to switching off constantly.

Vertonghen - Also showing signs of decline, another who is getting caught out from switching off and going through the motions.

Alderweireld - Daft errors/play with and without the ball increasingly being seen.

Kane - I fully expect to get abuse for this one, but he's going on the list. Just plodding around half-heartedly for the most part. Just on todays game, people will no doubt point out the handful of times he got angry and chased something and say that shows he's fine and I'm talking crap, but he doesn't press and even when we have the ball I can point you to umpteen times today when eg. a cross went in and he's just stood looking rather than trying to get on it. There's far too much of that currently.

You can argue everyone else's strengths and weaknesses, tactics and what the manager is doing wrong etc, and they're all problems that require fixing, but I see those five as the biggest problem that needs rectifying, ASAP. And they're arguably the most senior players, age/profile/tenure at the club and must have substantial weight in the dressing room. I think some are totally a lost cause, in that case remove them. If he doesn't it will all end in tears.

We need eleven players out on the pitch who are hungry and want to give there all. That's the starting point before we get to quality of football and winning matches.
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You lost me at Kane. He’s simply being starved of service. Watch his 100 goals on Sky if you get the chance, and compare the speed with which he received the ball in days gone by. Our system today is just sooo ponderous.

As for the rest on your list, I think it’s fair to question their commitment to the cause. If you’re not actively negotiating a new contract then you’re negotiating your exit. Get them gone, soon as.
 
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Picking that defence today I actually think he wants to get the sack so he can blame the club to try and win the PR game when the inevitable happens.
 
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