The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Doctor Dinkey · Oct 7, 2019

dagraham said:
I think that’s a bit harsh. It was £78 for my Bayern Ticket and I’m sure others paid more. I personally think the club have been greedy in not including some cup games in the ST, or failing that keeping the bulk group game thing they did at Wembley or just pricing the group games a bit lower.

Yeah. Screw ‘em. I’m a season ticket holder and all we get is a measly 19 games, no fa cup, no carabao, nuttin. Paid 70 odd quid for that rubbish last week. They’re trying to squeeze us for every penny, so I don’t see why I should bolster the Levy coffers any more for a game I’m not especially interested in and can watch on tv at home. So there.

bubble07 · Oct 7, 2019

PeeLee said:
On the club website explaining the availability of tickets for this match, and I also saw this on there last week, "Following UEFA’s decision to ban away fans attending this fixture, our allocation of home tickets has increased."

Jeez without any away fans you will really notice how quiet it gets. Pray for an early goal for us...

soup · Oct 7, 2019

It's times like this I think we could do with more transparency and honesty in football. What good is all this 'behind the scenes' really doing?

If only managers were actually able to call out players, or vice versa, without it being personal or such a power struggle when the shit hits the fan. It doesn't need to be nasty, just clear what's going on.

I love it when rumours are quashed and put to bed quickly, such as Verts and Eriksen banishing the affair rumours, and there are so many rumours constantly floating around, it's about time the bullshit wasn't covered like some kind of holy grail and people just spoke a bit more truthfully. The fake news is becoming real news just to react to (as if we didn't know), so why not just talk honest and be a bit more frank.

Clearly, the players have something to say, and so does Poch. Wouldn't it be easier for everyone in football if they were just a bit more open about things?

I don't mean to be/sound sexist (the about-to-be-sexist pre-empt), but it's what I love about being a man. We front things up and sort things out. I don't think I've ever said - with regard to another male 'I don't know what I've done wrong, but matey isn't speaking to me today'.

Does Poch want to spend another year here? Maybe two? If Utd., or Madrid want him would he like to go? Would he like to overhaul the squad completely? Is Verts not quick enough for the press anymore? Is Eriksen's heart too far gone? Why not just answer questions like these? Surely it wouldn't be half as destructive in the long run.

Spurs_S.A. · Oct 7, 2019

rez9000 said:
I don’t think it’s the regime per se that’s making them sick of him. I think it’s his returning home to Barcelona instead of travelling back with them to London after Madrid. THAT, for me, would explain the feeling of malaise. And it’s that feeling of malaise that makes something tolerable become complaint-worthy.

We all have aspects of our jobs we don’t like, but we put up with them because we don’t think They’re that big a deal. But then something happens that makes us unhappy and then that unpleasant yet previously tolerable thing becomes intolerable. The insignificant becomes significant.

If I had to select one thing as Poch’s biggest mistake it would be that one. If he’d flown back with the squad, spent the flight and a day or two putting his arm around shoulders, it would have made the squad feel that he was with them in their grief.

By flying straight back home after, it would have left them bereft and wondering what he thought of them and the game. HUGE mistake. Cripes he didn’t even have to fly back with them - he could have told them he was flying home but that he’d meet with them shortly after and talk.

He could have invited each of them out to dinner or his pad or done it in small groups and talked with them. Not just about the game, but about the future.

He could have used the loss as a watershed moment to refocus minds and strengthen relationships. Maybe told them that he’d organised a group get-together to happen a few days after of the whole squad and coaching staff to give them a chance to grieve, but also celebrate their achievement together. Not just fly away. I was gobsmacked when I read in the Athletic that he’d done that.

That to me suggests a BIG problem. Why he did that when it seems so out of character to his previous MO when it comes to man-management is something that concerns me. THAT, for me, would be reason to question whether he’s the right man to take us forward. If it was an aberration, a one-off, stemming from something else, then it can be forgiven as long as it doesn’t happen again. But if it’s his become a default pattern of behaviour, that’s bad.

Maybe he fell the players didn't perform to their potential, which in all honest they didn't pitch up and he must off been disgusted with their performance. How you put your hand around someones shoulders whom only gave 70% in which was a defining moment...

John48 · Oct 7, 2019

Doctor Dinkey said:
Yeah. Screw ‘em. I’m a season ticket holder and all we get is a measly 19 games, no fa cup, no carabao, nuttin. Paid 70 odd quid for that rubbish last week. They’re trying to squeeze us for every penny, so I don’t see why I should bolster the Levy coffers any more for a game I’m not especially interested in and can watch on tv at home. So there.

I'm an ST holder & this pretty much sums up my feelings. I pick & chose the extra games I attend (being retired I'm not awash with dosh) & in truth until I see Levy & Co being prepared to back the manager I'm inclined to keep my extra spending on Spurs to a minimum.

soup · Oct 7, 2019

Spurs_S.A. said:
How you put your hand around someones shoulders whom only gave 70% in which was a defining moment...

I felt that way about Poch when he said he might leave, that was a defining moment for me. He's human too though, he might feel it about a few of the players now. It's a bit of a vicious circle we're in tbh.

Japhet · Oct 7, 2019

Mr Pink said:
Its the effort, or lack of, levels I find so bizarre.

No, world cup hangover this time, it's still very early in the season and even if the players are feeling the affects of Poch's training regime it shouldn't account for how we start games.

This has been going on for months and I say it every week, why the fuck do we start every game so slowly?

Even last season we'd only start to play a goal down sometimes. It just sets such a flat tempo for the game.

We set a flat tone from the outset, that's the one thing that happens consistently week in week out.

And we've just become a lethargic team, lacking verve and tempo with little or no movement ahead of the ball.

Waiting for something to happen instead of making it happen.

We need to get a side togther who have the appetite to come out all guns blazing, playing for one another and actually feeling like a proper team again.

We've totally lost that identity and its Poch's responsibility to get it back.

But even more bizarrely, we get a game like Crystal Palace where we tore them apart for 45 minutes and then went into cruise mode. Where did that energy and desire come from, and, more to the point, where the fuck did it go?

tiger666 · Oct 7, 2019

DCSPUR said:
This is also very relevant - why? Because Winks is the present and future of this club and, despite some mistakes against Bayern has been one of the few to show the intensity needed. This kid is a future captain of our club 100% - wouldn't happen but I'd make him captain now to be honest.

Winks on whether Spurs are still responding to Pochettino

The Lilywhites dismal start to the season hit a new low at Brighton on Saturday

www.football.london

No idea why that's relevant. Asked if the team are still responding to the manager:

"Of course we are"

What do you expect him to say? It's a pointless article, means nothing at all.

Mr Pink · Oct 7, 2019

Japhet said:
But even more bizarrely, we get a game like Crystal Palace where we tore them apart for 45 minutes and then went into cruise mode. Where did that energy and desire come from, and, more to the point, where the fuck did it go?

Exactly. In a way that makes all this worse. It certainly wasn't the norm in terms of performance for the last 9 months, but it certainly showed what they can do if they're up for lifting the intensity.

double0 · Oct 7, 2019

Matthew said:
this is tiresome as shit, im not poch out. but you cant use 2 losses with 2 points from 30 available in the same breath, even if tongue in cheek comments! its boring.

Then don’t bother responding.

rossdapep · Oct 7, 2019

rez9000 said:
I don’t think it’s the regime per se that’s making them sick of him. I think it’s his returning home to Barcelona instead of travelling back with them to London after Madrid. THAT, for me, would explain the feeling of malaise. And it’s that feeling of malaise that makes something tolerable become complaint-worthy.

We all have aspects of our jobs we don’t like, but we put up with them because we don’t think They’re that big a deal. But then something happens that makes us unhappy and then that unpleasant yet previously tolerable thing becomes intolerable. The insignificant becomes significant.

If I had to select one thing as Poch’s biggest mistake it would be that one. If he’d flown back with the squad, spent the flight and a day or two putting his arm around shoulders, it would have made the squad feel that he was with them in their grief.

By flying straight back home after, it would have left them bereft and wondering what he thought of them and the game. HUGE mistake. Cripes he didn’t even have to fly back with them - he could have told them he was flying home but that he’d meet with them shortly after and talk.

He could have invited each of them out to dinner or his pad or done it in small groups and talked with them. Not just about the game, but about the future.

He could have used the loss as a watershed moment to refocus minds and strengthen relationships. Maybe told them that he’d organised a group get-together to happen a few days after of the whole squad and coaching staff to give them a chance to grieve, but also celebrate their achievement together. Not just fly away. I was gobsmacked when I read in the Athletic that he’d done that.

That to me suggests a BIG problem. Why he did that when it seems so out of character to his previous MO when it comes to man-management is something that concerns me. THAT, for me, would be reason to question whether he’s the right man to take us forward. If it was an aberration, a one-off, stemming from something else, then it can be forgiven as long as it doesn’t happen again. But if it’s his become a default pattern of behaviour, that’s bad.

Yeah, Klopp didn't do that. He put on a brave face, consoled his players and then set a strategy on what to do to overcome and succeed next time. He then got the players focused and energised to achieve it. Getting rid of the goalkeeper who let them down.

Poch seemed to harden up, get moody and not completely set a mission out. The players want to hear you say "Next season we'll go one better."

rez9000 · Oct 7, 2019

RikkiRocket said:
He has a house in Barcelona. Maybe he just wanted to go home and chill after the disappointment of losing. Leave the players be etc.

I appreciate this doesn’t fit certain agendas and Is basically sensible. ?

With respect, Rikki, a quick trawl through my recent posts makes it fairly clear that I have no agenda here. Perhaps you saw criticism of Pochettino and leapt to a conclusion? That smacks to me of someone having an agenda...

I'm also aware he has house in Barcelona, hence the sentence I used in my post, "I think it’s his returning home to Barcelona". Again, maybe someone has leapt to a conclusion without fully taking in what was said...?

Furthermore, I also said that it struck me as out-of-character for a manager noted for his man-management skills to have not managed something that, to my way of thinking, may have affected the players. That presupposes that I have a measure of belief in his abilities and so makes a qualified criticism, rather than jumped into purely because it fits a 'certain agenda'.

As I've said before, I feel very much that the last thing that we need as a fanbase is to throw phrases like 'knee-jerk', 'agenda', 'not a real fan', etc. etc. at each other. That's my agenda.

rez9000 · Oct 7, 2019

Spurs_S.A. said:
Maybe he fell the players didn't perform to their potential, which in all honest they didn't pitch up and he must off been disgusted with their performance. How you put your hand around someones shoulders whom only gave 70% in which was a defining moment...

To be honest, I'm not sure it works that way. Much as there was to criticise, a manager has to be very careful of cold-shouldering a player, more so an entire group. Just because they didn't deserve an arm around the shoulder, maybe not doing so makes them even less likely to perform.

Obviously, I can only speak from my own perspective, but I've found in the people I've managed in the past is that if they don't perform, treating them poorly generally doesn't lead to an improvement. Sometimes you're left with little choice but to pander....

wrd · Oct 7, 2019

rez9000 said:
With respect, Rikki, a quick trawl through my recent posts makes it fairly clear that I have no agenda here. Perhaps you saw criticism of Pochettino and leapt to a conclusion? That smacks to me of someone having an agenda...

I'm also aware he has house in Barcelona, hence the sentence I used in my post, "I think it’s his returning home to Barcelona". Again, maybe someone has leapt to a conclusion without fully taking in what was said...

Furthermore, I also said that it struck me as out-of-character for a manager noted for his man-management skills to have not managed something that, to my way of thinking, may have affected the players. That presupposes that I have a measure of belief in his abilities and so makes a qualified criticism, rather than jumped into purely because it fits a 'certain agenda'.

As I've said before, I feel very much that the last thing that we need as a fanbase is to throw phrases like 'knee-jerk', 'agenda', 'not a real fan', etc. etc. at each other. That's my agenda.

People get confused when you don't stick to a tribe, I want Poch to turn it around but I thought your criticism of his handling of this situation was bang on. He is making mistakes and they're solutions to said mistakes which are important to discuss if you want to say he's going to turn it around.

Spurs_S.A. · Oct 7, 2019

Mr Pink said:
I agree with him but the thing his analysis overlooks is continuing to play players who arnt fully committed.

He even said it himself, when you go one nil down you mightn't have the desire to get back into the game when you're thinking about your future etc

If we're backing Poch to rebuild he must take that group of players out of the side. If they were performing to their true level it would be a different story but they're not.

Id love to see us go 4-3-3.

Like

Lloris(Gazza)

KWP
Sanchez
Vertonghen
Rose

Winks
Sissoko
Ndombele

Lucas
Kane
Son

Any thoughts on Foyth as a CDM? He is good with the ball at his feet, and has a forward sense and naturally is a good defender.

rez9000 · Oct 7, 2019

rossdapep said:
Yeah, Klopp didn't do that. He put on a brave face, consoled his players and then set a strategy on what to do to overcome and succeed next time. He then got the players focused and energised to achieve it. Getting rid of the goalkeeper who let them down.

Poch seemed to harden up, get moody and not completely set a mission out. The players want to hear you say "Next season we'll go one better."

That's essentially my thinking.

And, hey, I may well be completely wrong - I'm not a football manager and there's an element of speculation. But logically, taking the fact that it was reported that his leaving had an effect on the players, I think that it's fair criticism in this particular instance.

Spurs_S.A. · Oct 7, 2019

rez9000 said:
To be honest, I'm not sure it works that way. Much as there was to criticise, a manager has to be very careful of cold-shouldering a player, more so an entire group. Just because they didn't deserve an arm around the shoulder, maybe not doing so makes them even less likely to perform.

Obviously, I can only speak from my own perspective, but I've found in the people I've managed in the past is that if they don't perform, treating them poorly generally doesn't lead to an improvement. Sometimes you're left with little choice but to pander....

I hear you mate.

spursfan77 · Oct 7, 2019

SugarRay said:
Bayern for me was £70, Belgrade is £45

I’ll be going of course but I really think the club should have made the Belgrade and Olympiacos games an almost Cat ‘D’ game and done the tickets for £25 or something.

Our ticket prices are too high as it is. I’d like to see a bit given back.

I think they should of given our money back for the Bayern game.

dagraham · Oct 7, 2019

spursfan77 said:
I think they should of given our money back for the Bayern game.

That’s never happened in the history of football and if it ever does, one thing I can be sure of is Levy won’t be the chairman to do it

JUSTINSIGNAL · Oct 7, 2019

Trix said:
If he's been bought to play fullback. I have my doubts tbh.

I assumed the idea was to move Rose out in the summer and bring Sess in. We weren’t really linked to any other left backs in the summer.

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