The Mauricio Pochettino thread

JCRD · Oct 2, 2019

Ive just heard some of what the players have said post Bayern and im thinking, maybe hopeful rather than expectation, that this defeat will be the catalyst for going on a run. I think a few truths will have been said. Putting poor performances is one thing but having your pride questioned and being ashamed is another - shame does things to people and can be the catalyst.

Dillspur · Oct 2, 2019

PeeLee said:
Name them. And what would you then do with [please insert number] demotivated players being paid until transfer window and then in poor conditions to be signed by other clubs? Man-management is a lot more involved than it seems to look to you.

Wanyama, Aurier, Rose, Eriksen. I would add Jan if he doesn't sign and possibly Toby. Having 6 1st team players around the squad with question Mark's over their future is not good for team harmony. You could probably get away with 1 or 2 players but not 6.

danielneeds · Oct 2, 2019

Trix said:
Do they all want out of the club, or just away from the manager? I would actually say it's a mixture of both tbh. Imo(slightly educated) the Belgians for instance would be happy to stay.

I can’t believe what I’m hearing. This manager who’s done so much for this club and players.

If they didn’t want to sign contracts under someone who’s done so much for their careers, then maybe they shouldn’t stay.

What’s it gonna change really? we need a rebuild, whether it be now or next season. One more year of Jan before he starts looking at going back to Holland?

mrlilywhite · Oct 2, 2019

TorontoYid said:
How were we able to do it previously but not now? Especially if we have the depth people are saying we do?

Well, previously was some time ago with regards to the press. The thing with Poch's counter-press is that it is very demanding and you need a squad that is super fit. Ideally, it suits younger players, but it is so much more than just a pressing style. It's a whole system designed with counter-press at its core. Basically our main players just don't have the physical ability to play it at the intensity that is demanded from them, whether that is because they just don't have the fitness levels back yet or maybe like Jan and Toby they are on the decline.

One of the reasons it was ditched last season, I believe was because of the fatigue of the players that had been playing non-stop through the previous season and world cup.

One of the articles I have read more often than not and one that was posted in here today ironically is this article. It is quite insightful and opens your eyes to the Poch system.

Jamturk · Oct 2, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Sissoko has come out complaining quite rightly about it.

Sissoko questions Pochettino's tactics following Bayern loss

Tottenham fell to a 7-2 Champions League defeat to the Bundesliga club

www.football.london

"We get tired too quickly physically when we play with a diamond midfield," he admitted.

Apologies if already posted.

This is something Goddle was repeatedly saying last night during the commentary after about 15 minutes.

anydange · Oct 2, 2019

JCRD said:
Ive just heard some of what the players have said post Bayern and im thinking, maybe hopeful rather than expectation, that this defeat will be the catalyst for going on a run. I think a few truths will have been said. Putting poor performances is one thing but having your pride questioned and being ashamed is another - shame does things to people and can be the catalyst.

I like your optimism but cant see it at all. All those players get paid no matter the performance. That's all it comes down to at the end of the day.

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 2, 2019

Trix said:
Do they all want out of the club, or just away from the manager? I would actually say it's a mixture of both tbh. Imo(slightly educated) the Belgians for instance would be happy to stay.

WHich in turn is an argument for letting Pochettino go. Get in a new manager who convinces enough players to stay a bit longer, and you save yourself some trouble next transfer summer.

Tottenhamboy85 · Oct 2, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
WHich in turn is an argument for letting Pochettino go. Get in a new manager who convinces enough players to stay a bit longer, and you save yourself some trouble next transfer summer.

Or the counter argument is these players are on the way out and we should keep poch and do the rebuild now instead on 12 months odd

sparx100 · Oct 2, 2019

Would like to see him change formation to a 4-3-3 variant
............Lloris
KWP Toby Jan Davies
.............Dier
.....Winks N'Dombele
Son.....Kane....Eriksen

Bench
Gazza, Sanchez, Rose, Sissoko, Lamela, Alli, Lucas.

Now I am not a massive fan of Dier but i just feel that we need to be a bit more defensive minded. Problem we have is there is no protection for the defence currently. We need someone to sit and cover full backs and Dier is probably the best option we have. As much as he wants Winks to be at the base, I just think he is not that kind of player.

Aurier can do one after being at fault for 3 goals last night and Davies should get a run to again be more defensive minded. Rose got caught plenty last night too.

Alli was again poor in my mind and has been for a long time. Eriksen has not been much better to be honest but he keeps us ticking.

We just need to tighten up and be harder to play against. With Winks and Sissoko we are just too easy to play through. The wingers don't want to help the full backs either so for me, Dier needs to be brought back in.

Will Poch do it? I doubt it - I am sure we will get our diamond again but he needs to adapt and quickly.

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 2, 2019

Tottenhamboy85 said:
Or the counter argument is these players are on the way out and we should keep poch and do the rebuild now instead on 12 months odd

No, that’s not a counter argument, that’s a circle argument as in having the discussion go in circles. IF we make as an assumption that some players could stay, than a potential pay off from a new manager is getting some to stay.

spursfan77 · Oct 2, 2019

Mr Pink said:
Inclined to agree although the trend is there for all to see so if he persists with the current system, with deflated players at the heart of it, it's surely inevitable we'll be off the pace for fourth come end of the season.

If we don't win on Saturday, and it's the same system resulting in a stale performance levy could well use the international break as the time to do it.

I think Poch is in the last chance saloon to address his stubbornness and make changes that the players are more comfortable with.

I reckon it will be the Liverpool game if we get humiliated.

Seafordian Spurs · Oct 2, 2019

Gb160 said:
...a song in which Joni complains they 'Paved paradise to put up a parking lot', a measure which actually would have alleviated traffic congestion on the outskirts of paradise, something which Joni singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it doesn't quite fit in with her blinkered view of the world.
Nevertheless, nice song.

Ah Haa!

spursfan77 · Oct 2, 2019

Jamturk said:
This is something Goddle was repeatedly saying last night during the commentary after about 15 minutes.

I said it this morning about ndombele and Sissoko. I was at the game and you could tell they were knackered having to cover their fullbacks all the time plus attack. When the beast that’s moussa Sissoko is complaining about being tired then as a manager you must know you’re barking up the wrong tree.

Tottenhamboy85 · Oct 2, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
No, that’s not a counter argument, that’s a circle argument as in having the discussion go in circles. IF we make as an assumption that some players could stay, than a potential pay off from a new manager is getting some to stay.

But these players ( the Belgium’s ) are in the end of their careers anyway ( as is Rose ).

Is it worth getting rid of a manager ( who’s stayed loyal to us ) to get a couple years out of players that aren’t that great anymore.

Cornpattbuck · Oct 2, 2019

Crikey, @Trix. That's some pretty grim reading.

doctor stefan Freud · Oct 2, 2019

Shadydan said:
Like who?

Rushden and Diamonds

dagraham · Oct 2, 2019

spursfan77 said:
A reason why I don’t think levy will sack Poch any time soon is that we are 1 point off fourth. Despite the shitshow over the last week we are still in touch in the league.

Imagine if we sack him and then slip down the league. Levy will look really bad. Surely that would be on his mind?

Agree. Only if we get a sequence of awful results will it get to that stage. Or it becomes apparent in the next month or so that we are falling too far behind. CL qualification is key. Even more key if we are planning this mass overhaul of players. We can’t afford to go backwards while we’re doing it.

rossdapep · Oct 2, 2019

JCRD said:
Ive just heard some of what the players have said post Bayern and im thinking, maybe hopeful rather than expectation, that this defeat will be the catalyst for going on a run. I think a few truths will have been said. Putting poor performances is one thing but having your pride questioned and being ashamed is another - shame does things to people and can be the catalyst.

I agree with that but if Poch is asking the players to do things they physically can't then they can come out with a point to prove but gas after 60 mins.

Either he needs to listen to the players and adapt the formation and do what Klopp did and vary the press or he needs to just pick the youth.

Remember in preseason (Juve and Bayern games) when the press was in full effect first half with the youngsters? Soon as the big players came on the press diminished.

cjbyid · Oct 2, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Sissoko has come out complaining quite rightly about it.

Sissoko questions Pochettino's tactics following Bayern loss

Tottenham fell to a 7-2 Champions League defeat to the Bundesliga club

www.football.london

"We get tired too quickly physically when we play with a diamond midfield," he admitted.

Apologies if already posted.

I was at the game and like others have said the midfield where all knackered after 30 mins. Which is very worrying.

TorontoYid · Oct 2, 2019

@Joshua shepherd Disagree with posts by all means but please at least post your opinion or what about the post you disagree with. It could help expand my own knowledge rather than just clicking disagree

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