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fishhhandaricecake

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I'd be happy with any of:
- Ancelotti; he's been decent in pretty much every job he's had and is generally under appreciated imo.
- Allegro; no explanation required.
- Mourinho; proven winner that lives in London, so might be happy Mou that generally would guarantee a trophy?

If we go under the radar, I'd happy see Chris have a chance. He did well with Brighton imo and played good stuff. Not enough of a big name perhaps, but he's done it for us before and deserves it imo (bonus for the BAME argument, should it matter).
Chris hughton absolutely not, is that a joke?
Anchelotti yes he’d be incredible, Aleggri again yes. Jose - big risk but could pay off but he’d be behind the others .
 

danielneeds

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If anyone has seen a dressing room please contact M Pochettino.
Quite simply - fuck this dressing room and all the self-serving twats in it, then. Sack off all those not committed, put in Lo Celso, Sess, Skipp, Tanganga, and others, and let’s get through this season and tear it up and start again.

I don’t want this club to be like Chelsea where players just turn on a manager at the drop of the hat.
 

felmani26

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You lose the dressing room, you eventually get the chop.

Blunt? Absolutely.

Sympathy? Yes to a degree and he'll certainly be held in great esteem for the overall job he's done here.

This is modern day football folks whether you like it or not. We are not different from any other club.
 

felmani26

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Quite simply - fuck this dressing room and all the self-serving twats in it, then. Sack off all those not committed, put in Lo Celso, Sess, Skipp, Tanganga, and others, and let’s get through this season and tear it up and start again.

I don’t want this club to be like Chelsea where players just turn on a manager at the drop of the hat.
Yes but at what cost?
 

Coco-1101

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I'd be happy with any of:
- Ancelotti; he's been decent in pretty much every job he's had and is generally under appreciated imo.
- Allegro; no explanation required.
- Mourinho; proven winner that lives in London, so might be happy Mou that generally would guarantee a trophy?

If we go under the radar, I'd happy see Chris have a chance. He did well with Brighton imo and played good stuff. Not enough of a big name perhaps, but he's done it for us before and deserves it imo (bonus for the BAME argument, should it matter).
Unfortunately with these managers you have to change the way the club operates. Will it happen? If yes then I would like to have pep at our club atleast out of these he is the one with better style.
 

Coco-1101

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Quite simply - fuck this dressing room and all the self-serving twats in it, then. Sack off all those not committed, put in Lo Celso, Sess, Skipp, Tanganga, and others, and let’s get through this season and tear it up and start again.

I don’t want this club to be like Chelsea where players just turn on a manager at the drop of the hat.
Atleast they are better players and winners unlike ours.
 

Primativ

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LONDON -- One by one, the Tottenham players left their brand new stadium late on Tuesday night after the embarrassment of their 7-2 defeat to Bayern Munich in the Champions League. Groggy and shocked by what had happened to them a few hours earlier, they had stayed in the dressing room for a long time after the final whistle, sitting in quiet contemplation, not really realising what had hit them.
Never in Tottenham's long history had the club conceded seven goals at home in any competition. Bayern taught them a lesson; the Germans were not only more clinical, but also more organised. On the other hand, Spurs were a mess, and once again the flaws that they have been showing since the start of the season appeared. But what went wrong?
Sources have told ESPN FC that tension are high between senior players in the squad, which has been together for about five years. For some of them, there was only one place to go after reaching the Champions League final last season: down. Others wanted out. Christian Eriksen, for example, failed to orchestrate a move out of the club, while other players have expressed frustration behind the scenes that Spurs didn't sign enough players this summer, with only Tanguy Ndombele, Ryan Sessegnon and Giovanni Lo Celso arriving in north London. Sessegnon has been injured since joining, while Lo Celso has played just 44 minutes in all competitions so far.
The transfer market has created problems between manager Mauricio Pochettino and chairman Daniel Levy and the board. The manager angrily reminded everyone, once more, at the end of July, that he was not in charge of transfer dealings and that he was not a manager as such but more of a head coach.
The players are also questioning their manager's tactics, adding to the tensions.

Sources have told ESPN FC that some senior players are not happy with the tactical systems, starting with the diamond midfield 4-3-1-2, recently used by Pochettino. It enables Son Heung Min and Harry Kane to play together up front but the midfield is more exposed, as are the flanks, and Spurs have only kept two clean sheets this season (against Crystal Palace and Colchester) in 10 matches in all competitions.
Then there is the flat 4-4-2, also used this season, which left Tottenham too weak in central midfield, as we saw against Arsenal. Against Bayern, Pochettino started with a 4-3-1-2 and then moved to a 4-4-2 after 30 minutes when his team started to struggle. Neither worked. "We get tired too quickly physically when we play with a diamond midfield," Moussa Sissoko admitted on French TV channel RMC Sport on Tuesday night.
The players also don't understand why Pochettino has told them to dial back the pressing, a tactic that was a success last season.
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Vertonghen 'embarrassed and ashamed' of Spurs defeat
Tottenham's Jan Vertonghen admitted he wouldn't sleep and had a lot of negative thoughts in his head after they're 7-2 loss to Bayern Munich.
Some of the manager's team selections have not paid off. Dele Alli was picked ahead of Christian Eriksenagainst Bayern, and also against Olympiakos, but was poor in both encounters. The decision to leave Son on the bench for 73 minutes against the Greeks was also hard to understand.
But not everything so far this season is Pochettino's fault.

The players have to take some of the blame and Sissoko lamented after Tuesday's disaster: "We gave up too quickly tonight." But are the tensions in the squad adversely affecting the team on the pitch?
A troubling pattern has emerged this season: the players tend to drop their concentration on either side of half-time. Against Bayern, Spurs conceded a goal in the 45th minute, and then in the 53rd and 55th minutes. At Arsenal in the Premier League, they went 2-0 up but were caught out by Alexandre Lacazette's goal just before the break and allowed their bitter rivals to snatch a 2-2 draw. Then, two weeks ago, they were up 2-0 against Olympiakos before the Greeks scored in the 44th and 54th minutes to equalise.
Now Pochettino is under even more pressure to find the answers to his team's problems. The players have one more game, away at Brighton on Saturday, before the international break, to put things right. But the battering by Bayern Munich, and its consequences both on and off the pitch, could have a big impact on an already difficult season
 

danielneeds

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You lose the dressing room, you eventually get the chop.

Blunt? Absolutely.

Sympathy? Yes to a degree and he'll certainly be held in great esteem for the overall job he's done here.

This is modern day football folks whether you like it or not. We are not different from any other club.
But is it so simple when three of the key players are out of contract, and a host of others want to go? There’s going to be a massive turnover in the squad next summer. Surely the best person to oversee that is the manager coveted by Real Madrid and Man United?
 

Cochise

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At the start of the window, I said elsewhere that we needed 6-7 new faces in (replacements for Toby and Eriksen, a new forward, two CMs and two fullbacks) and was told that it was a stupid to unsettle the squad so much in one window.

It looks as if the squad was already unsettled and needed major changes and January is the time that Poch wants to finish the job. The problem is, he might not be here for that.
 

Primativ

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Players publicly voicing their displeasure with the diamond formation...Sissoko.


So what Trix said about the players not happy with the formation is clearly true.
 

Seafordian Spurs

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LONDON -- One by one, the Tottenham players left their brand new stadium late on Tuesday night after the embarrassment of their 7-2 defeat to Bayern Munich in the Champions League. Groggy and shocked by what had happened to them a few hours earlier, they had stayed in the dressing room for a long time after the final whistle, sitting in quiet contemplation, not really realising what had hit them.
Never in Tottenham's long history had the club conceded seven goals at home in any competition. Bayern taught them a lesson; the Germans were not only more clinical, but also more organised. On the other hand, Spurs were a mess, and once again the flaws that they have been showing since the start of the season appeared. But what went wrong?
Sources have told ESPN FC that tension are high between senior players in the squad, which has been together for about five years. For some of them, there was only one place to go after reaching the Champions League final last season: down. Others wanted out. Christian Eriksen, for example, failed to orchestrate a move out of the club, while other players have expressed frustration behind the scenes that Spurs didn't sign enough players this summer, with only Tanguy Ndombele, Ryan Sessegnon and Giovanni Lo Celso arriving in north London. Sessegnon has been injured since joining, while Lo Celso has played just 44 minutes in all competitions so far.
The transfer market has created problems between manager Mauricio Pochettino and chairman Daniel Levy and the board. The manager angrily reminded everyone, once more, at the end of July, that he was not in charge of transfer dealings and that he was not a manager as such but more of a head coach.
The players are also questioning their manager's tactics, adding to the tensions.

Sources have told ESPN FC that some senior players are not happy with the tactical systems, starting with the diamond midfield 4-3-1-2, recently used by Pochettino. It enables Son Heung Min and Harry Kane to play together up front but the midfield is more exposed, as are the flanks, and Spurs have only kept two clean sheets this season (against Crystal Palace and Colchester) in 10 matches in all competitions.
Then there is the flat 4-4-2, also used this season, which left Tottenham too weak in central midfield, as we saw against Arsenal. Against Bayern, Pochettino started with a 4-3-1-2 and then moved to a 4-4-2 after 30 minutes when his team started to struggle. Neither worked. "We get tired too quickly physically when we play with a diamond midfield," Moussa Sissoko admitted on French TV channel RMC Sport on Tuesday night.
The players also don't understand why Pochettino has told them to dial back the pressing, a tactic that was a success last season.
play
0:54
Vertonghen 'embarrassed and ashamed' of Spurs defeat
Tottenham's Jan Vertonghen admitted he wouldn't sleep and had a lot of negative thoughts in his head after they're 7-2 loss to Bayern Munich.
Some of the manager's team selections have not paid off. Dele Alli was picked ahead of Christian Eriksenagainst Bayern, and also against Olympiakos, but was poor in both encounters. The decision to leave Son on the bench for 73 minutes against the Greeks was also hard to understand.
But not everything so far this season is Pochettino's fault.

The players have to take some of the blame and Sissoko lamented after Tuesday's disaster: "We gave up too quickly tonight." But are the tensions in the squad adversely affecting the team on the pitch?
A troubling pattern has emerged this season: the players tend to drop their concentration on either side of half-time. Against Bayern, Spurs conceded a goal in the 45th minute, and then in the 53rd and 55th minutes. At Arsenal in the Premier League, they went 2-0 up but were caught out by Alexandre Lacazette's goal just before the break and allowed their bitter rivals to snatch a 2-2 draw. Then, two weeks ago, they were up 2-0 against Olympiakos before the Greeks scored in the 44th and 54th minutes to equalise.
Now Pochettino is under even more pressure to find the answers to his team's problems. The players have one more game, away at Brighton on Saturday, before the international break, to put things right. But the battering by Bayern Munich, and its consequences both on and off the pitch, could have a big impact on an already difficult season

'Sources have told ESPN FC that some senior players are not happy with the tactical systems, starting with the diamond midfield 4-3-1-2, recently used by Pochettino'

I don't have a clue about tactics but I've been reading here for ages people's hatred of the diamond.

So why does Poch persist?
 

VegasII

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Perhaps it's time to go for 4-4-triffic and just fucking run about a bit.

I'm not joking. Keep it simple and get on with it for a bit.
 

Coco-1101

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Yes but we are suggesting realistic options
But these options have no experience with the way that we operate.

Ex:

Pep in city:4th season: Signed 22 players
Total spend: 599,690,000 (599 mil)

Poch in Spurs: 6th season: Signed 22 players
Total spend: 324.470.000 € (324 mil)

Poch Pay: 7~8 mil
Pep: 20 mil

The same way Mou e.t.c operates. Yet we compare poch with them and ask for these managers. For that we have to change how we operate. Ex: Emery won the league with PSG big budget. Can he do it in Arsenal?
 

Hakkz

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Quite simply - fuck this dressing room and all the self-serving twats in it, then. Sack off all those not committed, put in Lo Celso, Sess, Skipp, Tanganga, and others, and let’s get through this season and tear it up and start again.

I don’t want this club to be like Chelsea where players just turn on a manager at the drop of the hat.

And you don't know over how long it has happened either.
 

ardiles

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the problem is, Jose or Allegri would come in and say ‘I need £200M in January to sort this shot out’. Daniel would fill his pants.

I’d say Rafa Benitez is more likely - used to working with no money, Levy’s dream!

And after a month on the job, he’d complain that he wasn’t being backed with adequate transfer funds. ?
 
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