Hakkz
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But why do they need to get that fit anymore? We don't play intense pressing anymore anyway.
Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote
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But why do they need to get that fit anymore? We don't play intense pressing anymore anyway.
robin09
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You don't have to remember the 90s. Remember Ramos, AVB and Sherwood. 2013 isn't very long ago, is it?
Why have standards changed? Because Poch has steadily increased our expectations. Yet at the first sign of trouble, we want to get rid of that very same manager, so we can 'win trophies'.
The only teams who are going to win trophies for the next few years, are Manchester City and Liverpool. Everyone else is fighting for scraps. Nobody has the same level of investment available. There aren't handfuls of managers looking for work who could turn Spurs into the force that Poch has. We were 90 minutes away from winning the Champions League less than 6 months ago.
Tell me, who is available right now, to win us trophies, while working with the possibility that during any given window we may have zero net spend?
So yes, I think a lot of fans suffering from unrealistic expectations, is fair to call entitlement.
Because youre assuming it is just his fault. It is a larger problem than just Poch. We are a window or two behind in my view. How can we sit here and just criticise Poch when in other threads we are slating the likes of CE and Aurier et al? If we are blaming both then Poch deserves the time and windows/cash to turn it around. If we are saying its all Poch's fault then the players shouldnt be blamed.
Im not burying my head in the sand her,e im conscious and aware the place has stunk for a year or so but the team has gone stale and the huge problem was not spending any money last year...
dondo
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Tucker
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Bayern are a good side, but they aren’t THAT much better than us. In fact it could be argued that given our resources we should at the very least be on a level with them.
This wasn’t Tranmere vs Spurs in the FA Cup third round, a complete mismatch in quality. This was two top level champions league clubs going toe to toe.
The way we capitulated was a complete humiliation and every change Poch made just made the situation worse. It’s indefensible.
If we’d got a draw people wouldn’t be angry, but we didn’t get a draw did we. We weren’t even fucking close. This wasn’t 3-2 or 2-1 or 1-0. This was a complete hiding. How anyone can defend Poch after that is baffling to me.
The Opinionated Lurker
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There’s a proven winner whoring himself and his knowledge out on Sky Sports who’d probably jump at seeing Levy ringing his phone. If I’m entitled for thinking we shouldn’t lose to Colchester or entitled for thinking that we shouldn’t ship 7 at home no matter what then I’m the most entitled fucker there is. Have you watched 2019? We’ve been awful for a while, the CL run was an absolute fluke it’s shameless that you’d even bring it up tbh. Poch was great and probably still could be. Just not here anymore. Remember, this is Tottenham Hotspur not Tottenham Pochspur
Wheeler Dealer
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The financial landscape was much more even during Fergie's early days. Unless there is a complete change of ownership, we're never going to compete for the best players when opposed by City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool.
nailsy
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Good point. I've got no idea why we've stopped using it regularly.
Mr Pink
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I agree, however, Poch should still be getting more from this group despite lack of investment in previous windows, and some disgruntled players.
He picks the team. Preparation and motivation is at his door.
Whilst there are most definitely mitigating factors to consider, they don't exonerate Poch of how poor we've been overall for the last 9 months.
That squad is packed with quality. And yes he has undoubtedly contributed to many players improving but we can't ignore the decline on the pitch for so long now.
We have to judge what we're seeing and the results.
And that's ultimately how levy will judge it.
There needs to be a very quick turn around imo.
Hugh DeMann
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Unfortunately for Poch it is a lot easier to change manager than shift a load of players. Whether it is his making or not there is a sense of the squad not being as one. Unless there is a drastic change in the next game or two then I can see a change happening.
I would be absolutely gutted if this happens as I really rate Poch as a man and a coach.
Even if we get a new manager there are lots of squad issues to solve. He would need backing from Levy to be ruthless and splash the cash.
I would be absolutely gutted if this happens as I really rate Poch as a man and a coach.
Even if we get a new manager there are lots of squad issues to solve. He would need backing from Levy to be ruthless and splash the cash.
mike_l
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Yeah, of course all of the Poch out talk is based on this one result...
AllSeeingEye
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So far it's a stay, by Brexitesque margins. But if he loses at the weekend.... he'll be gone no matter what we say. Levy doesn't mess around.
Wheeler Dealer
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It will cost £2bn just to buy the club.. That's Levy's valuation. Add another £1bn to improve squad, then his takes it to £3bn. Not many people in the world with this sort of cash unfortunately.
The thing is the team is stale, we all knew it and we all know it to be true this season too. Should the players be doing better? damn straight and Poch is partly to blame but he deserves a chance to turn it around because we know what he is capable of. Levy is also to blame and as much as he had his hands full with the stadium i think he took his eye off the ball on the pitch.
For what its worth, I have a feeling this will only end one way and thats him leaving taking some time out and potentially revising his approach and methods, a bit like what Brendan Rodgers has done previously. We should have been progressing as much as Liverpool have - we started ahead of them. They are the benchmark for us when only a couple of years back we were the benchmark for them - how times have changed.
Time for Heroes
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Out.
Tactical inadequacies highlighted again last night, probably the worst in game manager we have ever had.
Tactical inadequacies highlighted again last night, probably the worst in game manager we have ever had.
paulcumpstone
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I'm poch out,
Reasons for me are this is a slow decline which shows no signs of stopping, the dull football we play 90% of the time. His insistence on playing athletes over any sort of pace/skill.
Lack of tactics, repeated awful subs. Poor formations.
Lack of integration of youth players, hes done more harm than good for the youth system we have.skipp is a prime example, should be playing football at some level or out on loan.
Lovely bloke and did wonders for the club when he joined but everything that made him a success when he joined he has abandoned, this includes the press and playing players on merit rather than reputation. Too many of our so called top players are far too comfortable.
Reasons for me are this is a slow decline which shows no signs of stopping, the dull football we play 90% of the time. His insistence on playing athletes over any sort of pace/skill.
Lack of tactics, repeated awful subs. Poor formations.
Lack of integration of youth players, hes done more harm than good for the youth system we have.skipp is a prime example, should be playing football at some level or out on loan.
Lovely bloke and did wonders for the club when he joined but everything that made him a success when he joined he has abandoned, this includes the press and playing players on merit rather than reputation. Too many of our so called top players are far too comfortable.
Thewobbler
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Who is to blame for that though? Yes we probably didnt have the money to spend on a few players but im not going to entertain the idea that we couldnt have made one big signing to freshen the squad and give it a lift. We were close to grealish but they got new owners and the deal collapsed but we were so confident on that deal we didnt seem to bother looking elsewhere and it was to late after.
Spurrific
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If he plays the diamond one more time he should be sacked before kick-off. Fucking idiotic formation that we don't have the players for. Don't understand how it got in his stubborn head.
The performances and results since January have been nothing short of dreadful. Part of the blame has to come from 3 windows of no reinforcements leading to a depleted, exhausted squad.
Yesterday was a freak result - but it's been coming. We could've been on the receive end of numerous poundings since the turn of the year.
The performances and results since January have been nothing short of dreadful. Part of the blame has to come from 3 windows of no reinforcements leading to a depleted, exhausted squad.
Yesterday was a freak result - but it's been coming. We could've been on the receive end of numerous poundings since the turn of the year.
