Spurs fans need to get behind the team and back Poch.

southlondonyiddo said:

Unfortunately there were plenty in the South Lower safe standing area that were sitting

Unbelievable

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But they’re not safe standing - they’re areas that can be converted to safe standing if needed. At present, neither the PL nor UEFA allow any standing at their games, so the stewarding actively proscribe standing.

In those areas sitting is enforced, so most do. An actual safe standing area, where standing is allowed, I think would be different.

TwanYid said:

I think not supporting the team- and loudly- is frankly terrible. But worse is telling someone who is trying to get behind our boys to "shut up" or "sit down!" I am going to take my 7-year-old from Brooklyn (where we live) to the New Lane next Spring, and you can bet your ASS I'll be screaming, clapping and getting behind the lads. I will/would NEVER boo one of our players; quite the opposite, I will only encourage every positive move whilst ignoring the mistakes. Why? Because besides my kids and Judo, Spurs are my fucking life (sad, I know lol) and I am a supporter, not a whiner. Moaning/cussing/fussing does nothing but create a toxic atmosphere which- as my soccer-mad, travel-team-playing sone says "does nothing but make the players uncomfortable." Because they do hear negative shit that's shouted-- just like they hear the positive stuff.

People going through the gates need to stop thinking along the lines of "I paid for me ticket; I get to bitch if I want" and move over to "I'm here because I love Spurs and- win or lose- I'm gonna get behind the team and try to be part of the "12th" man. Lol I'm toxic as FUCK when I'm home watching on the telly; in person, however, I'm "Super Supporter."

Now if I can just arrange the tickets...

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Fucking Tourists

TwanYid said:

I think not supporting the team- and loudly- is frankly terrible. But worse is telling someone who is trying to get behind our boys to "shut up" or "sit down!" I am going to take my 7-year-old from Brooklyn (where we live) to the New Lane next Spring, and you can bet your ASS I'll be screaming, clapping and getting behind the lads. I will/would NEVER boo one of our players; quite the opposite, I will only encourage every positive move whilst ignoring the mistakes. Why? Because besides my kids and Judo, Spurs are my fucking life (sad, I know lol) and I am a supporter, not a whiner. Moaning/cussing/fussing does nothing but create a toxic atmosphere which- as my soccer-mad, travel-team-playing sone says "does nothing but make the players uncomfortable." Because they do hear negative shit that's shouted-- just like they hear the positive stuff.

People going through the gates need to stop thinking along the lines of "I paid for me ticket; I get to bitch if I want" and move over to "I'm here because I love Spurs and- win or lose- I'm gonna get behind the team and try to be part of the "12th" man. Lol I'm toxic as FUCK when I'm home watching on the telly; in person, however, I'm "Super Supporter."

Now if I can just arrange the tickets...

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I think that's great but people who spend to get on a plane then all the other expenses etc can enjoy themselves for one game for the experience etc.
It's like Americans who go to Paris for the first time having to take their cases up three flights of narrow stairs when the elevator breaks down think its quaint.
It's not quaint when you do this every day

I get behind who the fuck I want to get behind, and she better be a genuine brunette.

Load of bollocks.

Atmosphere was pretty good considering the state of the fan base going into Saturday's game. East upper was fine. A couple of Park Lane/Shelfside's, a rousing Oh when the Spurs or two, plenty of COYS, and a few nice loud He's Magic you know songs in the second half. And of course lots of yelling, ranting and old men grumbling about Eriksen... which is exactly the same as it was in the old Lane. A flat game at the old ground would be utterly silent.

This sounds like people who can't handle the away supporters singing lazy, identikit chants at us, that they will sing at every other ground in the league.

And I really don't like this idea that people "belong" in anywhere other than where they would like to be.

iddebu52 said:

So for you I am a day tripper coming all the way from Malta on purposes for the game!!! Don't generalise when posting such comments!!

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Sorry think you’ve missunderstood, I mean people who are not that into football or into spurs at all, and just go to the football for a day out because they’re in London

dontcallme said:

But tbf it is a cause for lack of home atmosphere.

It is not to say casual fans aren’t dedicated but having the singing fans dotted around the ground does result in a worse atmosphere.

It is not having a go at anyone.

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I think his point was more that just because you're not there week in week out doesn't mean you're only a "casual fan". There are plenty of loud and fanatical supporters who can't go to games often due to finances, family/work, living far away etc. There are people who go to one game a season who are more passionate and sing louder than some people who go every week just to sit there and moan.

People can compare us to the likes of Dortmund all they want but teams like that have large organised groups who dedicate a considerable amount of their free time to organising the fans and banners, writing songs and all that jazz so if what people what people want is a Dortmund style atnosphere (personally I don't) then they need to get on with it instead of moaning as bout everyone else. Repeatedly in these sorts of threads you have the same faces moaning about how poor a fan everyone else is while doing absolutely fuck all about it themselves.

As for blaming it on tourists. That's just complete and utter bollocks. Given the amount of season tickets and members the percentage of the crowd who are tourists/day trippers with no interest in Spurs must be tiny. If having e.g. 5% of the crowd that are tourists is enough to stop the 95% from creating an atmosphere then it's not the 5% that are the problem IMO

One of the problems is we don't have many decent songs anymore, I can count those that are sung on one hand.

Gassin's finest said:

Well this couldn't have gone in one of the threads dedicated to the fans singing, the manager, or indeed the actual match in question, could it?

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I swear a variation of this is almost always the response to any new thread.

It’s a bit weird tbh.

King of Otters said:

I swear a variation of this is almost always the response to any new thread.

It’s a bit weird tbh.

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Not really, when the exact same conversation exists in each of those threads...

Gassin's finest said:

Not really, when the exact same conversation exists in each of those threads...

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Which are often buried beneath multiple other discussions and arguments.

Not aimed at you particularly, but it’s just something I’ve noticed on SC over the years. It comes across as a bit school prefecty, particularly when 99% of those types of comments come from non-mods...

wrd said:

Fucking Tourists

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Wait- are there match and travel arrangements that- in addition to the footie- also include that?!? Because if so then I'll simply hire a babysitter for a couple of nights and engage in some post (or pre)-game "Daddy"-fun!

Wow-- they really do it right in the U.K.! That's awesome!!!

Only thing is that if/when I'm partaking in that particular aspect of the trip there likely will be plenty of moaning, groaning, whining, cursing and whathaveyou going on; I hope this doesn't render me a hypocrite in the eyes of you people. Also, I'm guessing/assuming that this kind of activity would take place in a more suitable locale than the stadium itself (although the "Cheese Room" could be interesting, but I digress)...anyway so yeah- I'll just contact the club directly and ask them for help/info regarding these sorts of "all-inclusive Spurs game-day packages." Indeed, I'd better "hop on it" (pardon the pun) pretty quickly as I imagine these will sell out in no time.

Man, that Levy thinks of everything!

Atmospheres not helped by the fact spurs have somehow employed every jobsworth steward in fucking London. Was good when we first moved in last year. Think tourists, family’s and stewards getting a power trip and genuinely enforcing rules has pushed a lot of the old crew away. My dads mates won’t come back till the standing law changes. Said they’ve had enough only do away games.

Tomorrow will be rocking if we get an early goal. CL always lifts everyone and won’t be many tourist tickets sold on.

Off topic but anyone see them trying to sell donuts in the stands on Saturday?

JR1994 said:

Atmospheres not helped by the fact spurs have somehow employed every jobsworth steward in fucking London. Was good when we first moved in last year. Think tourists, family’s and stewards getting a power trip and genuinely enforcing rules has pushed a lot of the old crew away. My dads mates won’t come back till the standing law changes. Said they’ve had enough only do away games.

Tomorrow will be rocking if we get an early goal. CL always lifts everyone and won’t be many tourist tickets sold on.

Off topic but anyone see them trying to sell donuts in the stands on Saturday?

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The club only recruit in the Tottenham area iirc?

White Hart lane wasn’t that great at times against Arsenal was the only game you could guarantee 4 sides singing. Evening games also tended to have a better atmosphere.
Unless I couldn’t hear all the singing and encouragement over all that tutting, i dunno possibly
Not sure why the new place would be any different I guess when it’s good it’s louder but when it’s bad that will be amplified as well

Wasting your time

Oh fuck off. I go, I sing, so do others. Saturday wasn’t that bad.

Easy to have a go at the fans though isn’t it.

JR1994 said:

Atmospheres not helped by the fact spurs have somehow employed every jobsworth steward in fucking London. Was good when we first moved in last year. Think tourists, family’s and stewards getting a power trip and genuinely enforcing rules has pushed a lot of the old crew away. My dads mates won’t come back till the standing law changes. Said they’ve had enough only do away games.

Tomorrow will be rocking if we get an early goal. CL always lifts everyone and won’t be many tourist tickets sold on.

Off topic but anyone see them trying to sell donuts in the stands on Saturday?

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Selling donuts in the stands???? Sacrilege!!

It should only ever be peanuts

......PEANUTS, ROASTEEEED PEANUTS!!!

I was on the tube going to WHL Saturday and a group of 9 got on at Kings Cross

All Bengali. 3 woman and 3 girls and 3 boys

One of the little boys had a Tottenham shirt on and they were all going to the match

I’ve been going to football since 1974 and found this both fascinating and unbelievable
The changing makeup of the matchday supporters has come a very very long way in a short space of time

That amazing group of supporters would (I’d hazard a guess) a.never have dreamt of going to a football match before and b.been able to go to WHL before due to availability of tickets

Another big reason to the undoubted change in the feel and atmosphere these days at games

% of corporates/women/families/day trippers has changed the atmosphere of our game forever (or until the money dries up and the game isn’t fashionable anymore)

southlondonyiddo said:

I was on the tube going to WHL Saturday and a group of 9 got on at Kings Cross

All Bengali. 3 woman and 3 girls and 3 boys

One of the little boys had a Tottenham shirt on and they were all going to the match

I’ve been going to football since 1974 and found this both fascinating and unbelievable
The changing makeup of the matchday supporters has come a very very long way in a short space of time

That amazing group of supporters would (I’d hazard a guess) a.never have dreamt of going to a football match before and b.been able to go to WHL before due to availability of tickets

Another big reason to the undoubted change in the feel and atmosphere these days at games

% of corporates/women/families/day trippers has changed the atmosphere of our game forever (or until the money dries up and the game isn’t fashionable anymore)

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Now, I'm not picking up on this post and its content specifically. I'm just using it as a framework for my thoughts. I think that you're saying its good thing.

This whole concept of women/kids/casuals being a negative thing for the atmosphere and "our" game. What we're talking about is just that 70s/80s hooligan thing, aren't we? A period of genuinely negative and regressive culture in the game, that resulted in a series of disasters, and English teams being banned from European football. A culture that still hangs over our heads today.

Now how many people on this site started going to Spurs as kids? Taken with their families to the game back in the 50s and 60s? How was a football match then? Why, it was a friendly community thing, wasn't it? A time before replica shirts, and tribalism... when everyone went along to just enjoy a good football match, catch up etc. Good clean fun.

If you ask me we're getting back to that. kids want to go see their heroes, so their mum's are taking them. I've got all sorts sat around me at matches now, instead of grumpy old gits moaning at everything like they did in the old shelf. There's an old guy with his son in front of me, who's been going since the 60s. I've got an Indian chap to my left, and another bloke my age with his two lads. There's a scattering of Korean fans, couples, whole families... and they all sing or chat or whatever, and just watch and enjoy the game.

It's far better than seeing grown men, screaming obscenities, red in their spittle flecked faces; seats getting ripped up and fighting in the street... which is the 70s and 80s scene.

As Bill Nicholson said himself, when he saw the hooliganism in Rotterdam, "What have they done to my game?"

I'm going to digress, and pick out Bradford City as an example. Valley Parade sits on the side of a hill, and is in the middle of long terraced streets. In the 60s and 70s these became heavily populated with multicultural families, Bradford being one of the most culturally diverse cities in the country. Pakistani, Indian, African, Chinese etc kids all grew up on those streets, playing football and staring up at that stadium looming over them up the hill. And every other Saturday, hoards of white football hooligans would swarm up their streets and trash them, urinate up the walls of homes, and shout at anyone who dared venture outside their doors to "go home" and call them pakis/wogs/niggers and other vile stuff. So even though those kids wanted to play football, they couldn't go see it.

Thankfully those awful days of hooliganism has gone, and football is inclusive now. Those kids now take their families to the Valley.

As for us, and the frustrated old man moan in the OP, I hear plenty of noise from that South stand, its volume when the songs roll out is immense, no matter the game. No one is stopping those who want to sing, from singing. And no one should ever stop anyone from going to watch a game they enjoy. Football is universal, its why its the most popular sport in the world. Anyone can play it, and anyone can watch it.