The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Gassin's finest · Sep 25, 2019

SpartanSpur said:
Happens at big clubs all the time. Plenty of players have gone on record as signing for a particular manager only to truly flourish under a successor.

The fact your list is now down to Lloris and Lamela when 2 years ago it would have been 7-8 players including Kane and Dele says it all really.

I think a lot of our players have lost faith in Poch tactically. To be honest I'd love to see what a proven winner like Allegri, Jose or even Benitez could do with this squad. I think our players are in a similar boat, including Kane if ITK and media are to be believed. Feels dirty even thinking it after everything Poch has done, but I can't shake it.

Kane is Spurs. He'd be here if Steve Bruce were in charge.

Gassin's finest · Sep 25, 2019

felmani26 said:
But that's complete and utter supposition isn't it?

The legacy of Pochettino is nowhere near as much of a burden to the next incumbent as it was post Ferguson. Howe may not be the answer but let's be honest, who believed 100% that Pochettino was the right call post Redknapp/Sherwood?

No more so than at least half the bollocks written in here?

Cambridge Spur · Sep 25, 2019

I’ve thought long and hard about our current situation and I’m afraid to say I want a change now. If Poch of a few years ago was going through this run of form I’d be all for giving him time however his demeanour over the last year means it’s too little too late. I can’t accept that the squad needs a major overhaul, I actually believe we have a better squad than Liverpool. If we want to be a big club we need to believe and act like one. No more projects, no more potentially good managers like Howe. I want a winner. Mourinho, Allegri....someone of that ilk. We’ve got a great squad and I’d be excited to see what Mourinho could do with it. I’ve read that he plays shit football and is poisonous....well I think that description could very well apply to our current manager.

Gassin's finest · Sep 25, 2019

freeeki said:
The squad are part of that infrastructure...

Not really.

Hakkz · Sep 25, 2019

Seafordian Spurs said:
Would love TT but why would he come here when he's at PSG...?

"Tuchel fails to win the CL with PSG and gets fired, steps smoothly into the Spurs job."

thecook · Sep 25, 2019

Hey here's an idea, let's get Bielsa. I mean if the student isn't up to the job then maybe the master will be

freeeki · Sep 25, 2019

SE Spurs said:
Poch ain't going anywhere soon.
He's built enough credit at the club, to buy him plenty of time, and Levy and co are not gonna be freaking out after 6 games in the PL, and going out of the LC. Unless we're bottom half in January, and out of the CL, it's not even a conversation.
Besides, the club wont want to pay him off, its too much money. And Poch wont quit, no managers quit and give up the cash. Unless Madrid or Utd (maybe!), are prepared to pay up, he'll be here trying to get things back on track for the foreseeable future imo.

After 6 games in the PL?

We've netted 19 points from our last 18 PL games. That's one game shy of half a season. That puts us on course for 40 points a season, which is not a recent phenomenon, this takes us back to the start of 2019.

I don't want to hear any more about "but we got to the CL final". Yes we did, yes it was lovely, yes it was the best day many of us have ever had, etc. But we all know we didn't deserve to be there, and without two massive VAR decisions saving our arse, we never would have been.

We can claim it's harsh to judge on this season's form alone, in which we've already lost to Newcastle, Leicester, Colchester, and thrown away 2-0 leads against Arsenal and Olympiacos, but these problems go back much much further.

- 19 points from 18 league games
- No away win in the PL since January 20th (2-1 away at Fulham)
- Two away wins in the PL in 2019 (Fulham and Cardiff, both now relegated)
- 16 wins from 37 games in 2019

The squad is rotten. Our *long term* form is abysmal. We are going backwards at a rate of knots.

Please shelve the sentimentality and the "he's earned the chance to turn this around" thing. This has now gone on since the start of last season, where the go-to excuse was England reaching a World Cup semi final.

This rotten period has now lasted for around a quarter of Pochettino's tenure as manager. It is not a minor blip. I can't stress that enough.

He's done. We're done. The project's done.

Time to consolidate losses and move on.

cjsimba · Sep 25, 2019

bubble07 said:
I need to know why the squad dont want to play for him as many of you are saying.

It can only be his lack of perceived loyalty in interviews. But can it just be that? Is that sufficient enough??

Which interviews? I can only think of Monday's when he mentioned maybe he would like to manage Real Madrid in a few years?

spursfan77 · Sep 25, 2019

freeeki said:
A wise man said recently, after Chelsea were applauded off the pitch following another defeat, that when you start accepting defeats just because your team played well and just because your players did their best, that's when big clubs stop being big clubs.

Let's please stop accepting and applauding mediocrity based solely on sentiment and the fact we were shitter in the 90s.

(That was Jose Mourinho, FYI, and he's spot on)

I've been so guilty of this in the past 2/3 years. Not any more. We arent that same club as we were when Poch arrived. Just have a look round the stadium next time you're all there

Primativ · Sep 25, 2019

freeeki said:
While I don't disagree with you, as I've said elsewhere - Jose is a bell end, but he's a bell end who wins stuff.

If, in theory, things don't improve under Poch rapidly, I would take Mourinho in a heartbeat. He is a proven winner, he's never gone anywhere and not won things; yes he could and probably would put a lot of players' noses out of joint, but with the state of our current dressing room - demotivated, lackluster, disinterested, and in definite need of a revamp - I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing at this point.

If Mourinho came in for 2-3 years, won us 2-3 trophies, and buggered off, with the downside being that he upsets a load of players who look like they're on their way out regardless, I'd take it.

We'd all like to find our Sir Alex, and we've all thought for a while we'd found it in Poch. In reality, we probably haven't, and probably never will, because there aren't many of them out there. So give me the dickhead who gets the job done instead.

Exactly this. Do you think Kane and Son etc want another 5 year project before we start winning stuff?

Do the fans even want this? What exactly do we get out of hiring young managers with long plans?

Bloody hell. The game is about winning. Chelsea haven’t done too badly by changing manager every other year. I’m not saying we’d have to go to that extreme, but fuck me. I’ve seen us win one league cup in decades. Just give me a manager who wins us trophies or at least is more likely to.

In my opinion, with where we are as a squad, we need an elite manager with proven experience in moulding trophy winning sides who can have us going for major trophies imminently.

People using Mourinho’s United spell as a stick to beat him with, but we have very little of the same problems as they did. They have a shit squad we have an excellent one. Ask any united fan now and they will say it’s even worse under Ole than it was under Mourinho, minus the trophies.

We need to hire a manager that shows players like Kane we mean business. If Levy went for Howe I will have had enough of ENIC. It will show he just wants a yes man. Please don’t hire another manager with no experience of winning trophies Levy.

danielneeds · Sep 25, 2019

Cambridge Spur said:
I’ve thought long and hard about our current situation and I’m afraid to say I want a change now. If Poch of a few years ago was going through this run of form I’d be all for giving him time however his demeanour over the last year means it’s too little too late. I can’t accept that the squad needs a major overhaul, I actually believe we have a better squad than Liverpool. If we want to be a big club we need to believe and act like one. No more projects, no more potentially good managers like Howe. I want a winner. Mourinho, Allegri....someone of that ilk. We’ve got a great squad and I’d be excited to see what Mourinho could do with it. I’ve read that he plays shit football and is poisonous....well I think that description could very well apply to our current manager.

You can't accept the squad needs a major overall? It's getting one next summer whether you think so or not. Toby, Eriksen, Jan, Rose, the're all gone.

Mourino and Allegri are winners because they've had access to clubs with the most resources in the divisions they were in. Juve, Porto, Chelsea, Real... These are all very different jobs to Spurs. We're not gonna be outspending City or United, and probably can't attract the players Liverpool can under Klopp and the aura they've built.

The only slight equivalent was Jose's time at Inter, who like us are a sort of cursed child, but they were spending heavily at the time, and Juve were still reestablishing themselves after Calciopoli.

freeeki · Sep 25, 2019

spursfan77 said:
I've been so guilty of this in the past 2/3 years. Not any more. We arent that same club as we were when Poch arrived. Just have a look round the stadium next time you're all there

The stadium is glorious. And building it was nothing to do with Poch.

It'd look a lot nicer with a few trophies in.

kcmei · Sep 25, 2019

would love to give xavi a chance

danielneeds · Sep 25, 2019

thecook said:
Hey here's an idea, let's get Bielsa. I mean if the student isn't up to the job then maybe the master will be

Players tend to get tired of Bielsa after six month, not six years.

rossdapep · Sep 25, 2019

spursfan77 said:
I've been so guilty of this in the past 2/3 years. Not any more. We arent that same club as we were when Poch arrived. Just have a look round the stadium next time you're all there

Yep. Standards and expectations need to change. We should be proud of what we did but no more 'We got to the final but it wasn't to be'.

By Poch's own admission the mentality needed to change. It now needs to go the final distance to make us winners, not challengers.

Donki · Sep 25, 2019

max cady said:
Poch being sacked or resigning is a non-starter for me. He has worked miracles at our club and had lifted the doom and gloom we have faced for 20yrs+

As much as I love Poch this isn't quite true is it? Jol and Harry had plenty to do with it too.

spursfan77 · Sep 25, 2019

rossdapep said:
Yep. Standards and expectations need to change. We should be proud of what we did but no more 'We got to the final but it wasn't to be'.

By Poch's own admission the mentality needed to change. It now needs to go the final distance to make us winners, not challengers.

The irony of us changing our mentality and it results in him losing his job :sneaky:

WhiteStripe · Sep 25, 2019

He's average, you knowwwww, Mauricio Pochettinooooo.....

Gb160 · Sep 25, 2019

Blackrat1299 said:
I think one the problems MP has for rebuilding is DL. DL wants to sell high and buy low and of course everybody is wise to him now.

This is just a tired, lazy look at it I think.
Selling Trippier for £20m, and buying Sess, GLC and TN for the thick end of £140m suggests thats the case.

Primativ · Sep 25, 2019

Gassin's finest said:
Just to clarify for you all... if Poche were to leave, by push or jump, its not just him that we lose. The entire coaching staff, physios, and players who are intrinsically linked to him leave as well. That means Hugo and Lamela at the very least. Ndombele and Celso were both convinced to join by him as well.

We fans either don't appreciate or won't admit how much Poche is this club in its current era. Losing him will result in a wholesale change of everything. As opposed to just sorting out a few players and stabilising the current form.

Repeating myself, but reset your expectations of the club this season. Accept that we ain't winning anything this season. The times for this squad to win stuff is gone now. It should have won at least one title and the CL final. Man City and Liverpool have made title challenges redundant for anyone else in the league for at least a couple more years.

I'll take a 6th place finish and Poch rebuilding his squad if it means that we're ready to challenge seriously again next year or after. It's a lot less disruptive than the alternative would be.

Why should we let Poch rebuild the squad when you just admitted the time for us to win anything has gone? By definition Poch failed to win anything with the best set of players we’ve had in decades. I don’t know another top 6 club who has had such a top group of players who haven’t won a single trophy. Do you? I think it’s delusional to think Poch will have us challenging again next year when he’s clearly lost the players and also had made some bizarre decisions. He’s ostracised our best RB in Aurier and only played him because of injuries to Foyth who joined as a CB and KWP who just isn’t good enough. That’s just one example of mess he has created himself.

We limped into the top 4 last season. The writing has been on the wall for months that Poch has lost it.

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