The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Teddy Klinsmann · Sep 21, 2019

In many respects, end of this season is the ideal time for change. A lot of players likely to leave (Vertonghen, Toby, Eriksen) - chance for someone to come in and put their stamp on the squad immediately.

shelfboy68 · Sep 21, 2019

SugarRay said:
If he goes, has to be one of Allegri, Ancelotti, Tuchel, Benitez, Mourinho or Simeone. Obviously there’d be an order and if it meant waiting until the summer for one of the top 2/3 from that list then so be it. Simeone and Tuchel might be long shots, Ancelotti too, but no harm in trying.

The problem we have is that our chairman is how you say unique and not many manager could or would work under him.
Because the little baldy wants a lot but doesn't offer much in return coupled with his vision for glory sorry I mean global profit domination which makes the list a very small one.
If poch goes his replacement is likely to be similar to what we currently have and that is a youngish manager who hasn't won fuck all and so won't expect much and who will be conned into the project sorry I meant convinced about the project.

dagraham · Sep 21, 2019

YiddoTom90 said:
I think howe is a good manager personally, look at Bournemouth before he came.

He’s a good manager, but has never managed a big club and his team although playing good football often get trashed.

Unless there’s a player mutiny or we start getting smashed every week then there is no point in replacing Poch with Eddie Howe. We need a proven winner.

Seafordian Spurs · Sep 21, 2019

SugarRay said:
If he goes, has to be one of Allegri, Ancelotti, Tuchel, Benitez, Mourinho or Simeone. Obviously there’d be an order and if it meant waiting until the summer for one of the top 2/3 from that list then so be it. Simeone and Tuchel might be long shots, Ancelotti too, but no harm in trying.

Mate, Herc and Trix (not that I pay tooooo much attention to ITK) have both implied Howe.

As in Eddie Howe (The Fuck You Land The Spurs Gig, Son?!)

SugarRay · Sep 21, 2019

rossdapep said:
Would never happen.

Allegri
Mourinho

As they are both winners and are tactical astute in those big defining moments. Allegri outsmarted Poch when we were panning them 2 years ago.

Nagelsmann
Favre

If we want someone refreshing and to work with the youngsters.

With Mourinho, I worry for Foyth, Sanchez and KWP as he'd prefer experience. But if we win stuff I guess that would be after thoughts.

God, this is all a little depressing and deflating.

It is a little depressing but nothing we haven’t seen before

bat-chain · Sep 21, 2019

Pochettino must be given at least the remainder of this season, look again at the end of the season if form is still woeful.

He deserves that.

rossdapep · Sep 21, 2019

Primativ said:
I don’t get why people are blaming Levy. Everyone knows I’m far from his biggest fan and criticise his transfer policy and ambition often, however he clearly delivered Poch his three top targets and nearly a fourth in dybala who might still come in Jan.

You look at the squad we have and the performances and results just aren’t matching, and there is clearly a drop in motivation levels. Poch has easily a good enough squad to be doing much better than he has been doing.

It isn’t overreaction to say the wheels have fallen off at Spurs. I can sense it and it’s why I’ve lost all enthusiasm for Spurs this season.

What Trix is saying tallies up with what we are seeing on the pitch. Players aren’t as motivated.

I honestly don’t see how Poch turns this around. You don’t change a whole squad of players. You change the coach.

We should be doing far better than we are. Look at the regression in form and performances from practically every single player in the squad. Poch is no longer improving players.

Levy isn’t perfect but you can’t start blaming him for the 2019 performances and results. That falls on Poch. We are easily third best squad in the league but we are playing like a relegation side.

Then you look at all the weird stuff Poch has done, including the book. Yes it was a weird thing to do, you should never do that whilst you’re still at the club. Then his weird public comments about leaving etc plus the fact we always lose key games under him and never win any trophies. That’s a huge failing.

I feel if we get a new manager it has to be a huge name with experience of winning trophies. Ramos being our last trophy winning manager with the team we’ve had for the last 5 years is a disgrace really.

I said after last summer's window that I thought Poch was being too stubborn with his signings.

Whilst he had every right to demand De Jong etc he needed to realise what got him there. He made the likes of Rose, Dier, Walker, Lamela and Dembele into very key players. I highly doubt he'd have picked most of these players out as transfer targets if they hadn't been at the club.

I get he was burnt by Janssen and Njie/Nkodou but you don't just stop scouting under the radar talent because of it. We could have brought a couple in at least to freshen up.

shelfboy68 · Sep 21, 2019

Seafordian Spurs said:
Mate, Herc and Trix (not that I pay tooooo much attention to ITK) have both implied Howe.

As in Eddie Howe (The Fuck You Land The Spurs Gig, Son?!)

Eddie Howe can fuck off rather have Eddie the eagle sums the club up to a tee.

Wick3d · Sep 21, 2019

You can feel the storm clouds gathering over the club, which is a shame. I personally believe Poch is burnt out and has lost faith in himself. He is increasingly indecisive with his in-game management, critical in his interviews, and general all-round demeanour doesn't strike me as a man who is motivated. For his sake, I do hope he can find his rhythm again. If not, he does deserve a break, I would imagine working with a man like Levy would damage anyones mental health temporarily. :ROFLMAO:

DJS · Sep 21, 2019

Trix said:
Not sure why people are blaming a lack of transfers from past windows on the bullshit we are being served up. Every week it's a change of formation/system/tactics. Pnot to mention players playing out of position or out of form just because they are who they are.

Pochs biggest strength as a coach is his player motivation. I can tell you as fact a lot of the senior players are far from motivated and haven't been all season. They don't like the ever changing tactics and roles they are being asked to do. Every week at training it's like starting from scratch, with another bright spark tactical plan for the next opponents.

Why this has all of a sudden become a thing I have no idea, but pochs very clear plan and philosophy all the players believed in so abundantly is very much missing atm. His happy go lucky, cheeky chappy persona has been replaced by a moody, miserable, git!.

As I've said before if Zidane got the boot tomorrow I wouldn't be upset in the slightest if Madrid came in for him now.

Exactly!

Football isn’t exactly a rocket science, play 4-2-3-1 and stick with it!

Stop putting Son up top alongside Kane, play him on the left!

Play Winks and Ndombele as the two engine room midfielders and if we’re still not keeping control in middle stick Dier in there!

Play an actual fucking right back at right back (which Poch did today but he fucked that well up in champions league mid week).

SugarRay · Sep 21, 2019

Seafordian Spurs said:
Mate, Herc and Trix (not that I pay tooooo much attention to ITK) have both implied Howe.

As in Eddie Howe (The Fuck You Land The Spurs Gig, Son?!)

Eddie Howe is a good manager. Would be unacceptable though imo. For the mere suggestion of him being linked I hope Bournemouth lose their next 6 games on the spin so it can’t happen.

£1bn stadium. State of the art training ground. Champions league football. Champions league finalists. Talk of becoming an established European giant. Eddie Howe?

That would be like replacing Heung Min Son with Ryan Fraser...( perhaps something we can actually look forward to under Eddie? )

rossdapep · Sep 21, 2019

bat-chain said:
Pochettino must be given at least the remainder of this season, look again at the end of the season if form is still woeful.

He deserves that.

I tend to agree but what if we're in a real fight for top 4 and we have issues behind the scenes?

It could be seriously damaging to let it fester until the summer. No CL and players wanted the exit door would mean no Allegri or Mourinho IMO

Gb160 · Sep 21, 2019

SugarRay said:
They aren’t absolutely flying imo, but I understand your point.

They've won their last 14 league games mate, and thats with all their front players involved in summer competition as well.

spursfan77 · Sep 21, 2019

SugarRay said:
That’s absolutely pathetic. 2 points more than Newcastle? Below West Ham and Palace? Fucking embarassing

If you’re ever below West Ham you know you’re in trouble

dagraham · Sep 21, 2019

rossdapep said:
The thing is it barely does work. Players spend time getting used to doing a certain thing and being told to do certain things, if two weeks later they get told to do different things they are going to get frustrated and start to question things as soon as we lose - which we are doing more frequently now.

Players will stick with you and be prepared to wait if you give the same/similar message (as long as they see positives) but if you're changing it from week to week they will just get confused and worse, pissed off.

Yeah, as I said, if it works players will go with it. If not, then they will stop listening.

king26 · Sep 21, 2019

time for some youngsters several of our older player are not performing

Deleted member 27995 · Sep 21, 2019

Gb160 said:
They've won their last 14 league games mate, and thats with all their front players involved in summer competition as well.

When you put it like that ...

Ghost Hardware · Sep 21, 2019

rossdapep said:
Would never happen.

Allegri
Mourinho

As they are both winners and are tactical astute in those big defining moments. Allegri outsmarted Poch when we were panning them 2 years ago.

Nagelsmann
Favre

If we want someone refreshing and to work with the youngsters.

With Mourinho, I worry for Foyth, Sanchez and KWP as he'd prefer experience. But if we win stuff I guess that would be after thoughts.

God, this is all a little depressing and deflating.

Oh I agree. I mentioned both Favre and Nagelsmann a few pages back as excellent choices. Unfortunately Nagelsmann only just went to Lipzig. Favre maybe but he's only in his second season. Both won't leave any time soon, at least I don't think so. Wouldn't take Jose, at all. He looks completely burnt out.

yankspurs · Sep 21, 2019

It all falls on 2 men. Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis. We need new ownership

Deleted member 27995 · Sep 21, 2019

yankspurs said:
It all falls on 2 men. Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis. We need new ownership

If Joe would just sell his yacht we could buy some more players to be injured or be on loan somewhere gaining fuck all experience ...

Also, get rid of them and we wouldn't be bring on a clueless fucking Victor Wanyama while Skipp sits there wondering if he'd better off with Jack Roles at Cambridge United getting game time while a player with knees a pensioner would be mortified to call their own runs about on a pitch closing down nothing but air ...

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