Harry Winks - Leicester City
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AnotherSpursFan
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hes playing like hes got imaginary marker, against Aston Villa, 10 yards of space and his first instint is to instanty play a one touch backpass to the central defenders.
Not once, not twice...
Not once, not twice...
Ditto
Shadydan
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Funny that, just last week we were told he was average
theShiznit
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He plays well when teams attack us. He has good technique can take the ball under pressure and use it cleverly making forward passes when they are available and can carry the ball with intent..
We (Spurs) play poorly when teams sit narrow against us. now that is a team problem that needs addressing and is very little to do with Winks.
fishhhandaricecake
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Very true like Real Madrid a few season ago home and away he was world class. I think certain games suit him, others we need a proper CDM like dier / wanyana etc
Timberwolf
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Thought he was brilliant today, particularly in the first half - one of his best performances in a Spurs shirt.
That said, I'm starting to think that maybe he shouldn't be an automatic starter but should be picked depending on the opponent. As @theShiznit mentioned, he can be great against teams that attack and is actually vital to us beating the press and starting moves. However, against defensive teams who have no intention of pressing us, his best traits are nullified and he's got neither the creativity to break teams down nor the defensive ability to stop them breaking against us. This is why so there was such a backlash against him after the Newcastle game - he made a billion passes but none of them really did anything and his role seemed a bit pointless, exacerbated further by having an even more conservative passer alongside him in Sissoko.
In games like that we don't need someone with Winks' skillset and would be better served playing a straight up DM alongside someone more progressive like Ndombele. On paper it might look more negative, but in having an extra player in the middle who takes risks and has a bit more creativity, we're vastly increasing our chances of breaking down a stubborn defence, while a proper DM (whoever that might be - it's looking increasingly like we need to sign one) would be able to cut out moves in a way that neither Winks nor Sissoko are capable. Horses for courses n all that.
That said, I'm starting to think that maybe he shouldn't be an automatic starter but should be picked depending on the opponent. As @theShiznit mentioned, he can be great against teams that attack and is actually vital to us beating the press and starting moves. However, against defensive teams who have no intention of pressing us, his best traits are nullified and he's got neither the creativity to break teams down nor the defensive ability to stop them breaking against us. This is why so there was such a backlash against him after the Newcastle game - he made a billion passes but none of them really did anything and his role seemed a bit pointless, exacerbated further by having an even more conservative passer alongside him in Sissoko.
In games like that we don't need someone with Winks' skillset and would be better served playing a straight up DM alongside someone more progressive like Ndombele. On paper it might look more negative, but in having an extra player in the middle who takes risks and has a bit more creativity, we're vastly increasing our chances of breaking down a stubborn defence, while a proper DM (whoever that might be - it's looking increasingly like we need to sign one) would be able to cut out moves in a way that neither Winks nor Sissoko are capable. Horses for courses n all that.
JKendall13
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Think this is spot on. The nice thing is with the depth we have this year on paper (please stay healthy), we really don’t have to have a set in stone best 11. We have a nice variety of skill sets in the squad where we can put out an 11 best tailored to the opposition.
It’s clear that Winks and Sissoko aren’t really a great pairing, unfortunately due to unavailable players it’s what we’ve had to rely on the first few games. Hopefully it’s something we won’t have to see too often going forward.
Timberwolf
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Agreed, although my fear is that Poch will refuse to leave one of them out for Ndombele, preferring instead to sacrifice one of our forward players and playing the 3 of them together in the diamond like he did against Villa. Surprise surprise it took substitutions and a formation change for us to start creating chances in that match.
JKendall13
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I think eventually Winks, NDombele, and Lo Celso will solidify themselves as our best midfield 3 for big games. Some combination of Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Son, and Moura in front of them further up the pitch.
Was better today going forward today driving forward but he's still limited with what he can do with the ball, although defensively I still think he's quite shocking.
We just don't have any decent protection in front of the back four. I think our midfield should Ndombele, GLC and a specialist DM.
We just don't have any decent protection in front of the back four. I think our midfield should Ndombele, GLC and a specialist DM.
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Better going forward but I still think he was invisible when we really needed a CM to calm the game down and "dictate tempo". Going to rewatch the game tomorrow but I swear there was a 25 minute stretch where we were getting over run where he didn't touch the ball more than 2 times.
JKendall13
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Winks had the most tackles won of any midfielder in the EPL this weekend with 6, only Wan-Bissaka had more in the league with 10. And yet, still gets slated defensively. People see what they want to see.
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And he didn’t make a single tackle versus City?
There’s more to being a DM than tackling. Any CM is expected to make tackles and I did see him get stuck in at times, I don’t see anyone here saying he had a poor game. Just that he isn’t the answer in that position long term.
He does not offer the defence adequate protection, anyone that says he does is seeing something that just isn’t there.
Last week he failed
on your definition of forward passing.
This week because he made 6 effective tackles
it's not about tackling.
Step away from the goalposts friend.
worcestersauce
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Definitely had a good game yesterday so what was different to last week, well where he played and the duties he had to perform for a start. The question last week was whether he can make something happen against ten man defences around the opposition box and that remains unanswered.
Shadydan
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So predictable yet hilarious and quite sad.
