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Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

yankspurs

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Yep. And Argentina played him at RB because of Daniel Levy too, right?

You know literally nothing, and yet you're calling me blind haha.
He’s not an RB. He’s a makeshift RB just like Dier was in his first season. I really dont get why you’re fighting this.
 

rossdapep

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Exactly, I find posts like that so weird. Did the guy not see how rubbish we were for 90% of the season? We scraped 4th by virtue of Arsenal and United imploding / being utter shit. We weren't much better. Finishing top 4 and the CL final glossed over what was a team in decline, and the stats back it up completely.

I don't see how weakening our back 4 and gambling on kids in full back positions is progress.
Our poor defensive form wasn't solely down to the defence. It was due to not having the midfield structure or midfielders to help us gain control of games or protect. We then had Trippier getting exposed far too often too.

In the 16/17 season our defence was covered by;

Wanyama/Dier (or both
Dembele

If we get back to something like that with;
Winks
Sissoko - Ndombele

We should protect the defence better and have better control over the midfield.
 

Saoirse

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He’s not an RB. He’s a makeshift RB just like Dier was in his first season. I really dont get why you’re fighting this.
Players change positions sometimes. Going by Argentina's selection, Poch's comments, and reliable journalists saying we won't be directly replacing Trippier, we see Foyth as a long-term RB rather than someone temporarily covering the role.
 

glospur

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He’s not an RB. He’s a makeshift RB just like Dier was in his first season. I really dont get why you’re fighting this.
How do you know he's not a RB? He's played like 30 games of professional football. Look at the actual facts. When he has played RB, like at City last season and for Argentina, he's been really good.

I'm fighting this because you're talking absolute rubbish, even being an utter cliche and shoehorning criticism of Levy into this situation. What if it's simply that Pochettino genuinely believes there's a good full back in Foyth? What say you to that?
 

seppo

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How do you know he's not a RB? He's played like 30 games of professional football. Look at the actual facts. When he has played RB, like at City last season and for Argentina, he's been really good.

I'm fighting this because you're talking absolute rubbish, even being an utter cliche and shoehorning criticism of Levy into this situation. What if it's simply that Pochettino genuinely believes there's a good full back in Foyth? What say you to that
Problem for me is that he's only been good at RB when we've been up against the top teams like City etc where we're kind of expected to sit back a lot more and defend. Against the likes of Burnley etc he's not really good enough going forward. You can see it's a defensive-minded player trying to make quick offensive decisions that more often than not ends up failing.
 

rossdapep

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He’s not an RB. He’s a makeshift RB just like Dier was in his first season. I really dont get why you’re fighting this.
FFS

Young players don't have their positions defined by what it states on the tin, they are given roles within the team based on their strengths, weaknesses and abilities. Poch (and his support staff) is the only person who can determine whether Foyth can operate here and operate well.

Plenty of players have moved into different positions at an early age and made that position their own - Judas Sol Campbell was a striker initially until he was deemed to have better skills for the CB role. You need to start to have an open mind on things yank, instead of just kicking off whenever something isn't what you want it to be.
 

luptic

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All very well but it was no smooth ride and was touch and go. So excuse me if some of us have concerns on the strength and cover in our defence. How many games did we lose? We should be strengthening our squad before we let our so called weaknesses go. It appears we let other clubs do this.
To be perfectly fair, neither you or I know what is going behind the scenes, but if we are getting £25m for Tripper and say £20m for Rose and Poch is happy with this then who are we to question that?
The only thing that annoys me about 'Tottenham' at the moment is actually getting tickets for the games.
 

E17yid

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Really? So you don't trust the managers judgement? I'm sure out of 3 players one of them will be able to find consistency. KWP is 22 ffs we have to give him a chance at some point or what is the point in keeping him?

I'm glad Poch is showing belief in these players rather than taking a gamble on another player that might not actually improve us.

Poch didn’t exactly show much faith in KWP last season, tbf

Losing Trippier is good, it was our, imo, 2nd priority position we needed to upgrade in but to not replace him is poor. Especially assuming Tobi and Rose are off. All of a sudden our back 4 is significantly weaker than last season.

We’ll see I guess.
 

Colonel Dax

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Yep. And Argentina played him at RB because of Daniel Levy too, right?

To be fair the standard in international football isn't always of the highest quality. For example, Trippier looked world class playing for England in the World cup but now he's deemed surplus to requirements.

I'm not saying that Foyth won't end up a great full back, but just that we should temper our expectations. He's only made a handful of appearances in that position so far for club and country.
 

Primativ

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To be fair the standard in international football isn't always of the highest quality. For example, Trippier looked world class playing for England in the World cup but now he's deemed surplus to requirements.

I'm not saying that Foyth won't end up a great full back, but just that we should temper our expectations. He's only made a handful of appearances in that position so far for club and country.


Exactly. I find it a bit rich for some fans to shout down others who are expressing concern about Foyth playing RB. He's literally played one PL game there, and was good, but that's all we have to go on.

How can we not be a bit concerned that we are going into the season with 3 full backs, all of which are either not good enough or unproven. I thought we were supposed to be building a side to win the title? Doesn't look like it if we aren't in the market for a top RB.

Foyth at RB is a massive gamble whichever way you look at it. It may work out well, but until it does, I think we are allowed to express our concern.

Liverpool and City both have top class RBs, and we will be going in with Foyth?! It's clear to see yet again we will be aiming for 3rd/4th at best.
 

Japhet

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Exactly. I find it a bit rich for some fans to shout down others who are expressing concern about Foyth playing RB. He's literally played one PL game there, and was good, but that's all we have to go on.

How can we not be a bit concerned that we are going into the season with 3 full backs, all of which are either not good enough or unproven. I thought we were supposed to be building a side to win the title? Doesn't look like it if we aren't in the market for a top RB.

Foyth at RB is a massive gamble whichever way you look at it. It may work out well, but until it does, I think we are allowed to express our concern.

Liverpool and City both have top class RBs, and we will be going in with Foyth?! It's clear to see yet again we will be aiming for 3rd/4th at best.


Is it a bigger gamble than not buying a DM and moving Dier there from CB? I'd be inclined to trust Poch's judgement, and having said that, we could quite easily bring a couple of fullbacks in in the next 3 weeks.
 

C0YS

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Exactly. I find it a bit rich for some fans to shout down others who are expressing concern about Foyth playing RB. He's literally played one PL game there, and was good, but that's all we have to go on.

How can we not be a bit concerned that we are going into the season with 3 full backs, all of which are either not good enough or unproven. I thought we were supposed to be building a side to win the title? Doesn't look like it if we aren't in the market for a top RB.

Foyth at RB is a massive gamble whichever way you look at it. It may work out well, but until it does, I think we are allowed to express our concern.

Liverpool and City both have top class RBs, and we will be going in with Foyth?! It's clear to see yet again we will be aiming for 3rd/4th at best.
Well, not as much as you think. Liverpool's right backs are great examples. These were not players with massive reputations. Klopp trusted them and they blossomed.

Foyth is Argentina's N1 right back, and the few times he has played there has looked very good indeed. He has the right attributes to be a great RB, and frankly with more experience I think the sky is the limit for him. I think he could be outstanding there, and if we see that in training than even better for it.

Aurier blows hot and cold but he is far from a bad player, KWP is good enough to play more PL games and should. Building a side, is not the same as buying one. We will buy more players but there is bound to be thinking behind it.

It seems likely that we will be moving to a three man midfield. If we do, the fullbacks role will change dramatically. I suspect the front three will be playing further out wide, with the midfield pushing up to help Kane. Fullbacks will be better protected with a three man midfield, less likely to be exposed. While being able to pick the right passes will become more important. Players like foyth are incredibly good at that, and Davies is very competent too. I think with Rose, for example, we just need players with different features to play these positions. Sessignon will fit into that role on the left very well, while Foyth into the right.

We are changing the way we play. I think this is the basis for how we are changing our team.
 
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