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RichieS said:
His CL wins with Porto and Inter are his crowning achievements and you can hardly claim that they were budget related.

He's a **** and I hate the way his teams play, but he would win things with our squad as it is now.
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I couldn't disagree more with that last sentence. Winning the CL with Porto was an immense achievement but that was 15 years ago. And his win with Inter, while still impressive, was helped by the fact that Inter was a team filled with quality back then. And that was nearly a decade ago.

Football has progressed and evolved a lot since then but Mourinho hasn't evolved with it. His style of play is no longer as effective as it used to be.

Couple that with the fact that he alienates players, destroys confidence and attacking flair and throws a strip when the board don't sign the exact players he demands, he would be an absolute disaster at this club.
 
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Shadydan said:
Hypothetically speaking If Jose did come to Spurs he'd have to get on with Levy - no chance of that happening, he'd have to bring through players - nope he doesn't do that, he'd have to get the best out of players - doesn't do that these days either and the fans would want him to play a decent brand of football - nah.

Jose and Spurs are a bad match, he only manages money teams and teams with the highest budgets in their respective leagues.

He wouldn't win shit here and he'd be out the door within 6 months.
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ITK in the past has said Levy and Jose have apparently got on well with each other. Apparently they have been always on good speaking terms

Again I didnt say I would like him here hence why the style of play is irrelevant

He would manage one of the best teams in the league not a huge budget but he has more than he had at Man Utd when he took over. Yea he spends a lot of money he has done well on low budgets as well.

He won the CL against all odds twice with teams that shouldn't have been there.

Also he has won trophies at every job he has been at, even at united he has won the Europa League and Carling cup, which if we achieved that I would be over the moon
 
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Legacy said:
I couldn't disagree more with that last sentence. Winning the CL with Porto was an immense achievement but that was 15 years ago. And his win with Inter, while still impressive, was helped by the fact that Inter was a team filled with quality back then. And that was nearly a decade ago.

Football has progressed and evolved a lot since then but Mourinho hasn't evolved with it. His style of play is no longer as effective as it used to be.

Couple that with the fact that he alienates players, destroys confidence and attacking flair and throws a strip when the board don't sign the exact players he demands, he would be an absolute disaster at this club.
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That inter team was pretty much destroyed by us at WHL, it was a very old team as well
 
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RichieS said:
His CL wins with Porto and Inter are his crowning achievements and you can hardly claim that they were budget related.

He's a **** and I hate the way his teams play, but he would win things with our squad as it is now.
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Both Inter and Porto had the biggest budgets in their respective domestic leagues, I didn't say anything about him winning the CL in which he won in 2004 and 2009, 10 and 15 years ago.

If you're using a hypothetical scenario of him taking over today from Poch then he may probably come in and win something but that's not a realistic argument and highly debatable anyway, I personally don't think that these players would respond very well to his negative tactics, his public outbursts at his players, his miserable misdemeanor and childish behavior especially when these players have been nurtured in a philosophy that is the total opposite to his .
 
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ITK in the past has said Levy and Jose have apparently got on well with each other. Apparently they have been always on good speaking terms

Again I didnt say I would like him here hence why the style of play is irrelevant

He would manage one of the best teams in the league not a huge budget but he has more than he had at Man Utd when he took over. Yea he spends a lot of money he has done well on low budgets as well.

He won the CL against all odds twice with teams that shouldn't have been there.

Also he has won trophies at every job he has been at, even at united he has won the Europa League and Carling cup, which if we achieved that I would be over the moon
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Haha ITK really? Let's see how they get on in a professional and working relationship, that's what I was getting at, they may be friends or whatever but you know how Levy operates and you know that Jose would want funds to strengthen his team and he wouldn't fully utilise the academy properly which is something that Levy has spent years investing in.

I wasn't talking about you when I mentioned style of play, I was talking about the fans - the majority of fans would be pissed off with the football being played.

He also 'managed' one of the best teams in the league in Man Utd and ended up getting sacked, their last four games and how they're playing under OGS tells you what you need to know, also what teams has he done well on low budgets?

He won the CL once with Porto which was an amazing achievement although they had a lot of luck, one of the easiest runs to the final and Utd had a legit goal disallowed in their match. The Inter were amongst the best teams in the CL that year considering Real went out in the last 16 there was only Barca, Bayern and Man Utd only teams who were clearly better than them.

Yeah I'd be ecstatic with winning those trophies, I just don't think we would win them under Jose.
 
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Shadydan said:
Haha ITK really? Let's see how they get on in a professional and working relationship, that's what I was getting at, they may be friends or whatever but you know how Levy operates and you know that Jose would want funds to strengthen his team and he wouldn't fully utilise the academy properly which is something that Levy has spent years investing in.

I wasn't talking about you when I mentioned style of play, I was talking about the fans - the majority of fans would be pissed off with the football being played.

He also 'managed' one of the best teams in the league in Man Utd and ended up getting sacked, their last four games and how they're playing under OGS tells you what you need to know, also what teams has he done well on low budgets?

He won the CL once with Porto which was an amazing achievement although they had a lot of luck, one of the easiest runs to the final and Utd had a legit goal disallowed in their match. The Inter were amongst the best teams in the CL that year considering Real went out in the last 16 there was only Barca, Bayern and Man Utd only teams who were clearly better than them.

Yeah I'd be ecstatic with winning those trophies, I just don't think we would win them under Jose.
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Mourinho also wants the finished article and they come at a premium.

Who on the right mind thinks Levy and Mourinho would make a good working relationship!
 
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Why do some posters keep mentioning that we "punching above our weight"

We are not punching above our weight. We have been in the top 4 spots for 4 yrs now. That isn't punching above our weight.

Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton etc etc are teams who we could consider as punching above their weight.

We have been in the PL for close to 30 yrs... if after all those yrs and you consider us as punching above our weight, then I give up. Please dont tell me about wages as a reason. We the 11th richest club in the world , I believe, we compete in an unequal league with City and Chelsea but we are not punching above our weight.

We then complain that pundits dont recognize us but want to concede that we punch above our weight.
 
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piedpiper said:
Why do some posters keep mentioning that we "punching above our weight"

We are not punching above our weight. We have been in the top 4 spots for 4 yrs now. That isn't punching above our weight.

Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton etc etc are teams who we could consider as punching above their weight.

We have been in the PL for close to 30 yrs... if after all those yrs and you consider us as punching above our weight, then I give up. Please dont tell me about wages as a reason. We the 11th richest club in the world , I believe, we compete in an unequal league with City and Chelsea but we are not punching above our weight.

We then complain that pundits dont recognize us but want to concede that we punch above our weight.
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We are punching above our weight based on resources and finances. We have the 6th highest wage budget and we are closer to Everton who are 7th than Liverpool who are 5th.

Being 11th richest in the world is irrelevant if there are 5 teams richer than you in the same league by quite a distance.
 
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Shadydan said:
We are punching above our weight based on resources and finances. We have the 6th highest wage budget and we are closer to Everton who are 7th than Liverpool who are 5th.

Being 11th richest in the world is irrelevant if there are 5 teams richer than you in the same league by quite a distance.
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The fact you have to explain this to some is a worry lol
 
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Shadydan said:
We are punching above our weight based on resources and finances. We have the 6th highest wage budget and we are closer to Everton who are 7th than Liverpool who are 5th.

Being 11th richest in the world is irrelevant if there are 5 teams richer than you in the same league by quite a distance.
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I dont agree ... its tantamount to conceding that we making up the numbers.

In my books Everton and Us cannot use that excuse. We may not have the same resources but we are able to compete with wise investment in players.

Liverpool do not have the same means as United,Chelsea and City are they punching above their weight.

I just never understand or can bring myself to accept that term.
 
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Shadydan said:
We are punching above our weight based on resources and finances. We have the 6th highest wage budget and we are closer to Everton who are 7th than Liverpool who are 5th.

Being 11th richest in the world is irrelevant if there are 5 teams richer than you in the same league by quite a distance.
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Turnover wise we are a lot closer to Liverpool than we were a few years ago. Projected to be £400m + for the next financial year.

Unfortunately we have a stadium to pay for so we don’t spend any of the profits ?
 
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piedpiper said:
I dont agree ... its tantamount to conceding that we making up the numbers.

In my books Everton and Us cannot use that excuse. We may not have the same resources but we are able to compete with wise investment in players.

Liverpool do not have the same means as United,Chelsea and City are they punching above their weight.

I just never understand or can bring myself to accept that term.
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But it's a fact I'm afraid. We're the 6th biggest Club in the league in terms of financial muscle, yet we continually finish above 6th.

Where the fuck are Everton, if we're in the same bracket? Nowhere near us.

We punch above our weight, Everton don't.

We make up those gains by being a well run Club, and improved further from being well coached.
 
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piedpiper said:
I dont agree ... its tantamount to conceding that we making up the numbers.

In my books Everton and Us cannot use that excuse. We may not have the same resources but we are able to compete with wise investment in players.

Liverpool do not have the same means as United,Chelsea and City are they punching above their weight.

I just never understand or can bring myself to accept that term.
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Why have you included Everton with us, the last time they finished 4th was 2005 and the last time they finished above us (5th) was 2014? We have constantly (recently) been finishing top 4 quite comfortably.

The point is that we shouldn't have to compete with wise investment of players, if it was a level playing field we'd be able to compete for the same players that Utd and City are buying.

Yes Liverpool are punching above their weight, that's how it works.
 
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But it's a fact I'm afraid. We're the 6th biggest Club in the league in terms of financial muscle, yet we continually finish above 6th.

Where the fuck are Everton, if we're in the same bracket? Nowhere near us.

We punch above our weight, Everton don't.

We make up those gains by being a well run Club, and improved further from being well coached.
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Was that so hard... then would we say Liveroool/Arsenal are punching above their weight ? They too dont have the resources of City/Chelsea and United.

On Everton I'm referring to them and us being in this league for 28 yrs. I dont consider that as punching above our weight. Sure financially we not as doped but we have shown in the last few yrs that with proper player recruitment and a good manager we can compete.

Sorry not trying to be argumentative.... I just cant accept that term.
 
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Was that so hard... then would we say Liveroool/Arsenal are punching above their weight ? They too dont have the resources of City/Chelsea and United.

On Everton I'm referring to them and us being in this league for 28 yrs. I dont consider that as punching above our weight. Sure financially we not as doped but we have shown in the last few yrs that with proper player recruitment and a good manager we can compete.

Sorry not trying to be argumentative.... I just cant accept that term.
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Seriously?

We've been finishing around or above liverpool and Arsenal for a few seasons now, and they're financially bigger than us.

We are punching above our weight, and it's been great.

Eventually, we'll be closer when we reap the benefits of a new stadium - which is ultimately why we're building it.
 
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