The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The When Harry Met Shally Edition 13th August 2013

$hoguN · Aug 13, 2013

Maske2g said:
To be fair City bought a shed load of proven PL players as well as your Ageuros and Dzekos. Our spending has not and will not be of that calibre. Our big signings are more of a gamble so far, Soldado being the least so...

We haven't gambled at all. Just because you do not know much about our current signings doesn't make them gambles. Paulinho has consistently been one of the best performers in the Brazilian league, Chadli has been fantastic for Twente for a number of seasons and Soldado has only been out scored by Messi and Ronaldo over the last 3 years in La Liga. They aren't gambles.

They also all fit into the way AVB likes his teams to play.

ryantegan · Aug 13, 2013

Disconosebleed said:
I just posted an update about Parker, forgot to copy and paste it in here - basically my mate has had an update, reckons Parker is done (not sure if he means terms agreed or he's actually signed) and that Redknapp really is trying to convince Defoe to drop down too.

given up I think mate

talkshowhost86 · Aug 13, 2013

Maske2g said:
Don't bring money into it....if we got ourselves in a position of spending 100m and our sale of Bale fell apart,.do you think that matters to Joe Lewis? It goes against our fairly rigid running of the club but we won't be going bankrupt, he is worth 3 billion for Christ's sake. We have the luxury of a 3 yr contract and he will still be worth money in Jan ,or next summer.

You last point is the point we all need to remember. No one knows. It is a gamble. If the new.boys flopped we could finish twelfth or lower. Who in their right mind would want to fund our new stadium then?

What I have said all along is still true now. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Selling Bale now is a short sighted gamble.

Better the devil you know...

Just tryna think of more cliches.....

Do I think that the potential loss of 100m matters to Joe Lewis?

I'm going to go with....yes...yes it does matter to Joe Lewis.

SpartanSpur · Aug 13, 2013

I'm not buying this latest Bale ITK. JJ has been certain he is off and then last night suggests it is still up in the air (a significant change in stance).

Yes he added he still thinks he'll go but that came across as some (albeit informed) onion with a splash of pessimism/realism. I'd be shocked if a deal was done so quickly just as the pendulum started swinging back to us...

I've long accepted either possibility. The only way this will hurt me is if we sell for less than a WR fee and/or the proceeds aren't fully reinvested in the squad before 2nd Sept.

Ghost Hardware · Aug 13, 2013

£85 mil after this long ass summer of tapping up just doesn't sit right with me. It would make Levy and to a certain extent AVB look like mugs to the general public after saying ether he is not for sale or £100 mil at least or bust. My only reading of a £85 mil deal is if Morata or Jese are included, Coentrao we seem to want as a separate deal which makes complete sense as he wants to go and prob would not cost us much. I am also surprised that this would be done when Bale is with the Welsh team and not with Spurs as i would imagine this kind of deal would require everyone being in one room. Not bashing the ITK at all, just sceptical. The Bale saga has been so vague and clouded in secrecy that i have no idea what to make of any bit of info that gets passed on!

yawa · Aug 13, 2013

ryantegan said:
given up I think mate

I admire his optimism for even trying. Defoe is far too good for the Championship.

Spurger King · Aug 13, 2013

Maske2g said:
If Bale is done at 85 million, my season ticket is gonna get paid for 3 times over on stub hub.....I don't care if we're signing William, Tom Jones and that lesbian from Essex....

People settling back into the " well if he's going , let's move on" frame of mind....... Stop letting this board fuck you in the arse!!

What's the alternative? If Bale goes AND we bring in high quality replacements that make sure we have a balanced squad, it's a decent compromise.

However if we sell Bale and don't bring in the best possible replacements, then Levy and everyone else involved in the sale can take the blame for the disappointing season we'll have. Unless we bring in a player like Lamela to replace Bale we'll struggle IMO. We've got no creativity, and only one player (without Bale) in the team likely to score more than 15 goals, and he's never played in the Prem before. We have a team that will be great at breaking up play, but we've not got the brains to do anything with it. We need a player with creativity, a player with goals in them, or ideally both. If we sell Bale and bring in someone like Ince I will officially consider the piss to have been taken out of the Spurs faithful.

talkshowhost86 · Aug 13, 2013

Spurger King said:
What's the alternative? If Bale goes AND we bring in high quality replacements that make sure we have a balanced squad, it's a decent compromise.

However if we sell Bale and don't bring in the best possible replacements, then Levy and everyone else involved in the sale can take the blame for the disappointing season we'll have. Unless we bring in a player like Lamela to replace Bale we'll struggle IMO. We've got no creativity, and only one player (without Bale) in the team likely to score more than 15 goals, and he's never played in the Prem before. We have a team that will be great at breaking up play, but we've not got the brains to do anything with it. We need a player with creativity, a player with goals in them, or ideally both. If we sell Bale and bring in someone like Ince I will officially consider the piss to have been taken out of the Spurs faithful.

Yep I'll say now that, even as a defender of Levy in many cases, if Bale is sold and the majority isn't reinvested into truly class signings, then Levy will have officially fucked us over. He can't afford to do with Bale what he did with Berbatov.

Mr Pink · Aug 13, 2013

talkshowhost86 said:
Without wishing to state the obvious you have no idea what power we have to keep him.

85m is a world record fee....it is a preposterous amount of money. This isn't the same as Modric and Berbatov...this is absolutely shed loads of money and considering the financial position we're in compared to those who we are challenging, we'd be insane not to consider it.

Obviously a lot of it depends on how that money is spent, and if it isn't reinvested then yes it's a bad idea to sell him, but 85m could bring in 3-4 quality players and actually improve us.

Stop making out as if you know exactly what will happen because, like the rest of us, you simply don't.

I totally understand this viewpoint, however, the flip side of the coin is that Bale will still be worth a mind blowing amount of money next season. The fact that there is three years remaining on his contract as opposed to two at this point is hugely significant.

Furthermore, there are no guarantees that spending the Bale money on players who are seen as the ones to fill the void in terms of quality left by Bale will do so.

For me spending a healthy amount of money on new additions around Bale in this side - in the knowledge that he can be sold next season is just so much more appealing in every way.

Although I think your take will probably end up being the more accurate of the two.

Lilbaz · Aug 13, 2013

talkshowhost86 said:
Do I think that the potential loss of 100m matters to Joe Lewis?

I'm going to go with....yes...yes it does matter to Joe Lewis.

He lost over £1bn with bear sterns, to put it into context.

Berbatonghen · Aug 13, 2013

Im still very optimistic for the upcoming season with or without bale.

In AVB i trust.

Maske2g · Aug 13, 2013

$hoguN said:
We haven't gambled at all. Just because you do not know much about our current signings doesn't make them gambles. Paulinho has consistently been one of the best performers in the Brazilian league, Chadli has been fantastic for Twente for a number of seasons and Soldado has only been out scored by Messi and Ronaldo over the last 3 years in La Liga. They aren't gambles.

Behave mate your better than that
Brazilian league? Really? A fat Ronaldinho is running the show in that league. There isn't a defender in sight.

Such world beaters as RVN and Suarez have torn up the PL. But for every one of them there was a Kezman and an Alfonso Alves. Again its a shit league.

They are no guarantees by any stretch.

I hope they bed in quickly. But you need continuity and stability in the squad, and with Bale potentially and Dempseys goals going , we are left with a load of players who.by and large were shit last season in the final third and then newcomers.

SteveH · Aug 13, 2013

$hoguN said:
We haven't gambled at all. Just because you do not know much about our current signings doesn't make them gambles. Paulinho has consistently been one of the best performers in the Brazilian league, Chadli has been fantastic for Twente for a number of seasons and Soldado has only been out scored by Messi and Ronaldo over the last 3 years in La Liga. They aren't gambles.

They also all fit into the way AVB likes his teams to play.

Chadli is interesting but I agree totally with rest.

Spurger King · Aug 13, 2013

talkshowhost86 said:
Yep I'll say now that, even as a defender of Levy in many cases, if Bale is sold and the majority isn't reinvested into truly class signings, then Levy will have officially fucked us over. He can't afford to do with Bale what he did with Berbatov.

Sometimes at night I still wake up screaming at the thought of Frazier Campbell. The fact that we didn't even have an option to buy him in the unlikely chance that he didn't turn out to be rubbish was just the steaming cherry-shaped turd on the top.

TheAmerican · Aug 13, 2013

Wick3d said:
If he goes, I want his replacements within a few days please.

I am thinking against the majority in here when I believe we would have his replacement announced before he leaves. Bring in Lamela, Eriksen, Capoue, Coentrao, and a young striker, or such, who-ever comes in, and then we break the news. The fan base doesn't go too self-destructing as there are already replacements, and we don't have to wonder who/if/when. We would also save the trouble of having Bale money being broad-knowledge.

As for being able to keep a Bale deal secret, I think it would likely be so. ITKs have been every which way in this saga, and you can get a sense that the entire deal has really been behind doors and hush-hush. As we are expecting to bring in replacements for Bale, I would think that the actual sale would be the most sensitive information. I would not expect many to know about it. Levy would not want prices to shoot up on who he wants to purchase with the money.

The fact that we have itk on Lamela coming in as possibly an addition to Bale, instead of a replacement for, makes me believe we are possibly leaking information to increase the belief that we are simply strengthening the squad, and not supplementing the loss of Bale. I realistically do not see us spending an additional 30-50m on the likes of a Lamela and Eriksen, without Bale being sold. I would love it though, and I hope to be proven wrong.

talkshowhost86 · Aug 13, 2013

Mr Pink said:
I totally understand this viewpoint, however, the flip side of the coin is that Bale will still be worth a mind blowing amount of money next season. The fact that there is three years remaining on his contract as opposed to two at this point is hugely significant.

Furthermore, there are no guarantees that spending the Bale money on players who are seen as the ones to fill the void in terms of quality left by Bale will do so.

For me spending a healthy amount of money on new additions around Bale in this side - in the knowledge that he can be sold next season is just so much more appealing in every way.

Although I think your take will probably end up being the more accurate of the two.

I agree that there is a possibility he'll be worth as much next season, but with the contract running down the likelihood is that this wouldn't be the case.

I think there is sense in spending £50m or so based on the fact that we'll make at least that much out of Bale whenever we sell him, but I think that we have to, and will take into serious consideration any world record bid.

Lilbaz said:
He lost over £1bn with bear sterns, to put it into context.

I don't think that means he'd be happy to lose another £100m

marksinthesand · Aug 13, 2013

talkshowhost86 said:
Without wishing to state the obvious you have no idea what power we have to keep him.

85m is a world record fee....it is a preposterous amount of money. This isn't the same as Modric and Berbatov...this is absolutely shed loads of money and considering the financial position we're in compared to those who we are challenging, we'd be insane not to consider it.

Obviously a lot of it depends on how that money is spent, and if it isn't reinvested then yes it's a bad idea to sell him, but 85m could bring in 3-4 quality players and actually improve us.

Stop making out as if you know exactly what will happen because, like the rest of us, you simply don't.

Also we want our team to have a unity and if Bale chooses to be elsewhere then the team needs to move forwards without him. If he is not there to fall back on maybe some players will look to themselves to step up and win games. Like everyone on here I have high hopes and want to see us reach our potential. We have some great players and if they still can't create or put the ball in the net or defend set pieces then I trust AVB to look at his system and change it.

EnfieldYiddo · Aug 13, 2013

If we bring Willian, Lamela in and Coentrao comes too; I wouldn't be distraught to see Bale leave. Still think the better option is to really go for it keep him and attempt to sign Willian or Lamela as well.

HappySpur · Aug 13, 2013

hugrr said:
Looking at the ITK log, Ghostfarmers only previous ITK was once, 2 years ago, via the Scout.

If that's his ITK link, I'm struggling to believe that he's privvy to information that 100% confirms Bale is off when no one else who's ITK on the forums is.

Well via, as in he is the Scout. Rob mentioned this last week.

So for all of you who are reacting as if this doesn't deserve salt, please go to the following and read. Called some right. Called some wrong. But he was equally sure with Arshavin. Salt: It's horrible for your diet but the best thing for ITK

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-scout.73682/

jambreck · Aug 13, 2013

Maske2g said:
If Bale is done at 85 million, my season ticket is gonna get paid for 3 times over on stub hub.....I don't care if we're signing William, Tom Jones and that lesbian from Essex....

People settling back into the " well if he's going , let's move on" frame of mind....... Stop letting this board fuck you in the arse!!

1. You'll not bother going to Spurs games just because Bale won't be playing? Are you a Spurs fan or a Bale fan?

2. You'd try to make a massive profit out of fellow Spurs fans?

Not making a great impression, to be fair, are you?

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