The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Knee Trembler Edition 9th July 2013

Blackcanary · Jul 9, 2013

dagraham said:
It wouldn't surprise me at all if we ending up signing Torres, whom I'm sure Chelsea will end up selling at a massive loss. I think he would actually fit our system very well.

We have a bit of a problem with the fact that Arse, Chelsea, City and Liverpool are all in the market for a striker. All of them can and will outspend us so we may have to wait for them to show their hand unless we can target strikers under the radar who are unproven.

I doubt AVB would be very pleased to have Fernando 'The Albatross' Torres turn up again: He had trouble getting him scoring at Chelsea, why would it be different at ours?

King of Otters · Jul 9, 2013

Hoopspur said:
Thank Christ for that! What with the Paulinho deal and the mooted Benteke one you were looking to be not a very happy King tbh...

Ha, I've come to terms with Paulinho. I don't think he's quite what we need, he's definitely more sow than silk and I've seen him have more than a few 'Jenas moments' where he underhits a simple pass or the ball bounces off his shins when he should control it, but I recognize that he'll add another dimension to what was already a pretty strong and dynamic midfield.

I'm not sold on Benteke, not by a long stretch. At £10 mill he'd be expensive, at £20mill I'd hope that Levy would run a mile. The problem is, as we find every window, top class no.9's are thin on the ground. Look at money bags Citeh for example, bullied out of the bidding for Cavani by oil rich PSG (oh irony, how you please me) and they now look like they're going to end up with Negredo, a prospect their fans, understandably, don't seem particularly enthused by.

I'd rather we just hedge our bets slightly. Leave Benteke alone, sign the cheaper, older version in Ba, and go back into the market for a £20mill+ no.9 next summer.

EnfieldYiddo · Jul 9, 2013

Worry with letting Dinamo keep them for a year is they will most likely be dropped for the season as they would be blocking the next young prodigy's development by keeping them in the first team.

Ghost Hardware · Jul 9, 2013

So if we buy Benteke, if he does well, is he going to place a transfer request next summer so he can move to RM,PSG,Monaco, Man City etc. He's done it twice before, why wouldn't he do it again with us, he is clearly a very ambitious player. For me £18 mil for Benteke yes, £20+ mil... no,no,no. All in all there are other strikers i would prefer.

carpediem991 · Jul 9, 2013

$hoguN said:
JJ and LLM, both didn't comment much on the Villa deal, but both have said this deal is getting closer and that it is just some of what I guess we should call the finer points that are holding it up currently. I guess we just have to hope for a good outcome.

It does seem that we have a good relationship with Mamic though, so hopefully that works in our favour.

I honestly believe we are doing our business here, but even JJ and LLM can't really say what the genious Mamic is going to do. He could troll us. We could have a good relationship but what it is worth? If anyone comes across and will bid 2 millions more nothing. Zagreb want to do their business and normally they don't like to have players around who don't belong to Zagreb. That is common in Croatia and so I am wondering if the really want to sell them now.

I may be a bit negative with all the bad news around, but I would never trust anything of eastern europe clubs. They are so hard to deal with.

CJMurray · Jul 9, 2013

Babylon22 said:
Paulinho is a good player, but wasn't a priority. That 17 million could have been topped up to fund the Leandro,saldado or benteke signings. Does anyone believe we'll spend more than 20 million on a striker now?

Paulinho was a priority. We've two central midfielders in Sandro (returning from an awful injury) and Dembele (recurring hip injuries) and without one we look a fraction of the side. Then we've got Parker who really should not be starting for us and is probably off this summer, Huddlestone who (hopefully) is off, and we're left with Holtby, Gylfi and Carroll. Holtby's still settling in and we've not found his best position yet, Gylfi's been played off the left a lot and Carroll (who should have been played more last season) if still relatively unproven.

We're probably going to play 4-3-3 this season, so going into it with Sandro, Dembele, Holtby, Gylfi and Carroll is not enough. Paulinho was very much necessary.

$hoguN · Jul 9, 2013

EnfieldYiddo said:
Worry with letting Dinamo keep them for a year is they will most likely be dropped for the season as they would be blocking the next young prodigy's development by keeping them in the first team.

They are two of Dinamo's better players, so not playing them could bit a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

vonn · Jul 9, 2013

Indisguise said:
LLM said that Levy met with Higuain a few months ago. I'd love to know how that meeting went!

I would put money on the following :

DL : Would you like to come and play for us?
GH : No.

dagraham · Jul 9, 2013

Blackcanary said:
I doubt AVB would be very pleased to have Fernando 'The Albatross' Torres turn up again: He had trouble getting him scoring at Chelsea, why would it be different at ours?

Yeah, maybe your right. AVB did persevere with him though, even though his confidence was shot, although that was probably at the behest of Abramovich. I'm buggered if I know. Carlton Cole anyone?

carpediem991 · Jul 9, 2013

$hoguN said:
They are two of Dinamo's better players, so not playing them could bit a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Zagreb is full of young prospects. Zagreb wants to make money, there is no value in playing players who don't belong them anymore. That is there philosophy....but maybe it is not like this in that deal...hopefully

Blackcanary · Jul 9, 2013

King of Otters said:
Ha, I've come to terms with Paulinho. I don't think he's quite what we need, he's definitely more sow than silk and I've seen him have more than a few 'Jenas moments' where he underhits a simple pass or the ball bounces of his shins when he should control it, but I recognize that he'll add another dimension to what was already a pretty strong and dynamic midfield.

I'm not sold on Benteke, not by a long stretch. At £10 mill he'd be expensive, at £20mill I'd hope that Levy would run a mile. The problem is, as we find every window, top class no.9's are thin on the ground. Look at money bags Citeh for example, bullied out of the bidding for Cavani by oil rich PSG (oh irony, how you please me) and they now look like they're going to end up with Negredo, a prospect their fans, understandably, don't seem particularly enthused by.

I'd rather we just hedge our bets slightly. Leave Benteke alone, sign the cheaper, older version in Ba, and go back into the market for a £20mill+ no.9 next summer.

What's even more pleasing is that seem to be getting absolutely bent over a barrel for the Negredo deal, because everyone knows they're rolling in it. What with that and what they paid for Fernandinho....Yeesh.

King of Otters · Jul 9, 2013

Ghost Hardware said:
So if we buy Benteke, if he does well, is he going to place a transfer request next summer so he can move to RM,PSG,Monaco, Man City etc. He's done it twice before, why wouldn't he do it again with us, he is clearly a very ambitious player. For me £18 mil for Benteke yes, £20+ mil... no,no,no. All in all there are other strikers i would prefer.

I don't think we'd have to worry too much about that. I think with Benteke we'd see the Jenas/Defoe/Dawson syndrome rear its head again, whereby a players status and overall potential is matched or exceeded by that of his present club.

Gb160 · Jul 9, 2013

Francis Gibbs said:
seriously given the 'anyone but Spurs' vibe on H&V I would love us to sign him simply to watch the meltdown there

I just had a butchers on H&V just to see the reaction ...whilst most seem(or are claiming to be ) not that bothered about losing Benteke with some even suggesting cash plus Dempsey,they seem to have taken to Indykaila !!
One even posted "how can he be a wum? He has 68000 followers !" I shit u not!

Legend10 · Jul 9, 2013

Ba isn't an older version of Benteke, the latter has far more to his game than the former.

GutBucket · Jul 9, 2013

EnfieldYiddo said:
Worry with letting Dinamo keep them for a year is they will most likely be dropped for the season as they would be blocking the next young prodigy's development by keeping them in the first team.

Dinamo has feeder club that plays in the same league Lokomotiva, maybe they'll loan them there.

Babylon22 · Jul 9, 2013

RamsesV said:
Paulinho was a priority because AVB would like to put a 4-3-3 in action. We have seen reports saying we have 50 million to spend. 17+20 = 37 + 20 on the two croatians = 57 - 7 in selling the deadwood and we are in. Don't worry i'm sure we will have a new striker. The problem is that all big clubs are searching for strikers.

How about giving Holtby a chance? If we don't buy a striker because "the fee is too high" , the Paulinho signing can't be justified.

EnfieldYiddo · Jul 9, 2013

$hoguN said:
They are two of Dinamo's better players, so not playing them could bit a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

IIRC from the Jedvaj thread, people were saying Jedvaj wasn't meant to be fast-tracked this quickly and there were players ahead of him in the production line, it just happened that he was chanced one game and impressed so much he was kept in amongst the first team. Not sure about the situation with Halilovic if he's an integral part of their team or not.

beats1 · Jul 9, 2013

mpickard2087 said:
Dunno about Coutinho, I think there is a spot open now for a creative player at left forward, he'd be ideal.

Talking of left side... Don't seem to be much ITK about targets for Left forward or Left back. I want a new player in both positions personally. I think that side is definitely in need of a signing or two.

I'm convinced he wouldn't of started just because he is killing it ATM forr liverpool, doesnt mean he would do it with us

Falque and Townsend weren't even given game time ahead of siggy or Dempsey in their natural position out wide and those were very poor on the wing in the first half of the season

Also in Italy I felt he would be a great signing but ever body were talking about how he was a huge disappoint and didn't live to the hype. Falque was a creative lw and he wasn't given a chance either despite us being desperate for one and siggy looking uncomfortable there

Our squad is position heavy its insane if they are surplus to requirements, then let them go now. Falque is not for sale according to almeria yet we still have Townsend, Dempsey, sig(who is thinking where do I fit in) and Lennon for one position or two if bale is missing

carpediem991 · Jul 9, 2013

I simply guess Zagreb is testing their values. In the next season Jedvaj and Halilovic could break through and join Croatias national team. Why sign something now? I doubt Zagreb is that stupid honestly...

Blackcanary · Jul 9, 2013

Babylon22 said:
How about giving Holtby a chance? If we don't buy a striker because "the fee is too high" , the Paulinho signing can't be justified.

If a striker is overvalued, then we're not going to overpay for them. Zilch to do with other players we may have bought.

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