Willian

brasil_spur · Aug 28, 2012

lol said:
i would love to have a dilemma like this, eg having lennon on bench. that is manu-esque. but the problem really comes down to priority. addressing the right wing starter, isnt a problem. the problem lies with the cover.

like what i said, the priority now for us should really be a CM(mod replacement)->ST(we only have ade)-> GK(brad is not gonna last) -> then to whatever position that we have to cover, or weak in.

if we sanction 17 - 18m, this guy HAS to be an automatic starter, even breaking our 17m bentley record. He is a very very good player, i agree, but it really isnt worth it when lennon is good enough to do a job, then you spend 18m just to get him to the bench.

i wouldnt mind having him as a luxury, but i seriously think that this is a player we should only consider after we clear up the bigger problems

Whilst i agree with most of this we shouldn't have players in any position in our team who are 'good enough to do a job' - we should have great players in all positions.

At the moment i think we can genuinely say this about: RB, 2x CB, LB, DM, AM, LW, ST

I think we still need great players at: GK, RW, CM

Now CM is certainly a priority and another striker is also pretty damn important, but sometimes you have to take what is on offer, we have a really good chance of signing Willian and as such we'd be fools to pass it up, even if that position is perhaps 2 or 3 down the order of positions that we need to fill.

InOffMeLeftShin · Aug 28, 2012

brasil_spur said:
Whilst i agree with most of this we shouldn't have players in any position in our team who are 'good enough to do a job' - we should have great players in all positions.

At the moment i think we can genuinely say this about: RB, 2x CB, LB, DM, AM, LW, ST

I think we still need great players at: GK, RW, CM

Now CM is certainly a priority and another striker is also pretty damn important, but sometimes you have to take what is on offer, we have a really good chance of signing Willian and as such we'd be fools to pass it up, even if that position is perhaps 2 or 3 down the order of positions that we need to fill.

You believe Willian is a real step up on Lennon? From what I've seen I'd have said Willian wouldn't be a huge step up, especially as he looks better on the left but isn't in the class of Bale.

lol · Aug 28, 2012

i would agree with you that we shouldnt just settle for players that 'can do the job'.i should have rephrase myself. lennon is not a player who can just 'do the job'. he represented england and honestly Roy was retarded not to pick him. he can walk into any top 6 clubs and play for them, that is definitely not just 'doing the job'. i understand we have a good chance of signing willian now, but its not like we do not have any other options in striking. if NO strikers wants to come to us, then i'm cool with using that 18 on willian. but if the reason is because we low balled them, thus making the transfer unsuccessful, i would rather use that fund to complete the striker deal first.

if bale or lennon gets injured, at least we can still outlet to the other side, or put VDV or sig or even GDS(i'm just putting this up, i dont really rate him) to cover. we lose a bit of quality here and there but we do not need to change our shape majorly. on the other hand if Ade gets injured, we are basically fucked

lol · Aug 28, 2012

InOffMeLeftShin said:
You believe Willian is a real step up on Lennon? From what I've seen I'd have said Willian wouldn't be a huge step up, especially as he looks better on the left but isn't in the class of Bale.

well said

brasil_spur · Aug 28, 2012

InOffMeLeftShin said:
You believe Willian is a real step up on Lennon? From what I've seen I'd have said Willian wouldn't be a huge step up, especially as he looks better on the left but isn't in the class of Bale.

I do. For me Lennon is quite one dimensional in his play and the game on Saturday showed this up - his off the ball play and positioning was frankly terrible at times. It's clear we're playing a different formation and style this season and for me Lennon is most affective in a standard 4-4-2 formation.

In addition Lennon's main attribute of taking-on and gliding past players seems to have become not so good as of late and whilst his crossing has improved i just don't think he has enough about him to be what i would call a 'great' player.

Also i can't see how being effective from the left as well as the right is a bad thing, it means he can cover for and allow us to rotate Bale, whilst not compromising our quality too much - that has to be a big bonus.

danielneeds · Aug 28, 2012

brasil_spur said:
I do. For me Lennon is quite one dimensional in his play and the game on Saturday showed this up - his off the ball play and positioning was frankly terrible at times. It's clear we're playing a different formation and style this season and for me Lennon is most affective in a standard 4-4-2 formation.

In addition Lennon's main attribute of taking-on and gliding past players seems to have become not so good as of late and whilst his crossing has improved i just don't think he has enough about him to be what i would call a 'great' player.

Also i can't see how being effective from the left as well as the right is a bad thing, it means he can cover for and allow us to rotate Bale, whilst not compromising our quality too much - that has to be a big bonus.

This is very true, there were countless times on Saturday when Bale put quality balls into box and in the system we are playing the other winger has to become a forward getting into the box to support the central striker. Lennon was on his heels too often, and never got inside the fullback. If he had, he would have had an easy tap in.

InOffMeLeftShin · Aug 28, 2012

brasil_spur said:
I do. For me Lennon is quite one dimensional in his play and the game on Saturday showed this up - his off the ball play and positioning was frankly terrible at times. It's clear we're playing a different formation and style this season and for me Lennon is most affective in a standard 4-4-2 formation.

In addition Lennon's main attribute of taking-on and gliding past players seems to have become not so good as of late and whilst his crossing has improved i just don't think he has enough about him to be what i would call a 'great' player.

Also i can't see how being effective from the left as well as the right is a bad thing, it means he can cover for and allow us to rotate Bale, whilst not compromising our quality too much - that has to be a big bonus.

You've probably seen him far more than me, but Willian seems quite one dimensional too. He get's the ball stands up, 5 step overs, beats his man, cuts back, 5 more twiddles of his foot, rinse and repeat. Lennon actually has excellent close control and technique. He works hard defensively too which is critical in an AVB system. He was probably our best player against Newcastle but didn't have a great game against WBA.

Could Lennon be improved, sure. Would Willian be close to first choice? Not based on what I've seen and certainly not for the kind of money Shaktar are asking.

brasil_spur · Aug 28, 2012

InOffMeLeftShin said:
You've probably seen him far more than me, but Willian seems quite one dimensional too. He get's the ball stands up, 5 step overs, beats his man, cuts back, 5 more twiddles of his foot, rinse and repeat. Lennon actually has excellent close control and technique. He works hard defensively too which is critical in an AVB system. He was probably our best player against Newcastle but didn't have a great game against WBA.

Could Lennon be improved, sure. Would Willian be close to first choice? Not based on what I've seen and certainly not for the kind of money Shaktar are asking.

Sorry but don't agree with lots of that.

Willian is far from a one dimensional step-over player.

Lennon does have excellent close control and technique, but he needs more end product and off the ball positioning play.

I don't think a defensively hard working winger is at all critical in an AVB system, players like Hulk certainly aren't like that at all.

Agree Lennon was good against Newcastle, but as AVB stated that's not going to be our formation going forward and i think as we transition into more of a 4-3-3 formation it will become more important to have a player like Willian at RW.

However none of this is massively relevant because as things currently stand we have no cover/rotation options for RW or LW - so bringing in Willian who can play both positions very well would be an ideal solution IMO.

SonicSarr · Aug 28, 2012

Not convinced by Willian and think we have cover to tide us by for now (Townsend/Dos Santos). I think we should address the main areas i.e. CM and goalscorer. Do what we have to to get Falcao and Moutinho then assess and scout until January whilst removing further deadwood and get in some younger back-up, do a job players then including addressing the GK and wing areas.
My 4 would be Lloris, Moutinho, Falcao and Isco.

hellava_tough · Aug 28, 2012

Masamah said:
Not convinced by Willian and think we have cover to tide us by for now (Townsend/Dos Santos). I think we should address the main areas i.e. CM and goalscorer. Do what we have to to get Falcao and Moutinho then assess and scout until January whilst removing further deadwood and get in some younger back-up, do a job players then including addressing the GK and wing areas.
My 4 would be Lloris, Moutinho, Falcao and Isco.

That would cost us £70-odd million and God knows what in wages

Yidiot · Aug 28, 2012

thoroughly looking forward to hearing a commentator talk about spurs pumping those long willian balls up onto adebayor's head.

Mr Pink · Aug 28, 2012

Masamah said:
Not convinced by Willian and think we have cover to tide us by for now (Townsend/Dos Santos). I think we should address the main areas i.e. CM and goalscorer. Do what we have to to get Falcao and Moutinho then assess and scout until January whilst removing further deadwood and get in some younger back-up, do a job players then including addressing the GK and wing areas.
My 4 would be Lloris, Moutinho, Falcao and Isco.

Let me save you the heart ache, you're going to be disappointed if your expectations are that high

EastLondonYid · Aug 28, 2012

Masamah said:
Not convinced by Willian and think we have cover to tide us by for now (Townsend/Dos Santos). I think we should address the main areas i.e. CM and goalscorer. Do what we have to to get Falcao and Moutinho then assess and scout until January whilst removing further deadwood and get in some younger back-up, do a job players then including addressing the GK and wing areas.
My 4 would be Lloris, Moutinho, Falcao and Isco.[/quote]

Fuck that did i miss us being taken over by the Sultan of Brunei? ...

Yidiot · Aug 28, 2012

"tottenham are achieving some good penetration with those willian balls from deep"

DIEHARD · Aug 28, 2012

I love Lennon - he gets me off my seat more so than Bale does. One thing that is seriously underrated in Lennons game is his defensive ability - the guy tracks back and provides support to the RB and that is crucial where you have a RB that isnt that great a defender and attacks a fair bit and thus can get caught out.

Lennons crossing has improved and the reason it tends to look worse than it actually is is because you got either players not putting the chances away or short arses in the box i.e. Defoe.

I would take that 13-15m from Wilian and would rather buy a striker with it a world class striker. I agree though we do need cover for Lennon and Bale and would get someone in but not at 15m if we dont have limitless funds.

JayX2A · Aug 28, 2012

^^ The problem is, World Class Strikers don't want to come to Spurs (IMO).

YiddoBirdy · Aug 28, 2012

There are reports in Ukraine saying that we have had a bid accepted for Willian.

King of Otters · Aug 28, 2012

Could you provide us with a link of said reports?

lol · Aug 28, 2012

i'm tired of people saying lennon does not have end product. granted, he is not a hazard, not beckham. but his crosses are not as bad as you guys make out to be. more than half the time is because our strikers suck at off ball movement, thus not reaching the ball in time. his tracking back is also a HUGE bonus. willian is really really good. just that he shouldnt be our priority, thats all

Bofbro · Aug 28, 2012

Apparently a Russian reporter on Talkshit as said we have had a bid accepted for Willian.

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