The Harry Effect

gibbs131 said:

37. Why? How old are you?

And also do you think that SKILL on the ball has something to do with us getting the op sent off?

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Eek

37, you must be kidding. Your posts and way of discussion would suggest 13-14

What can i say more than.....i feel a little bit sorry for you. Well, hang in there....you might get there in the end.

No not really....cause i think we've lacked the skills and speed in our performances. Lennon had fun with a young debutant against Blackburn......but other than that - No.

Wow. At some point this thread stopped being about Harry and turned into two middle-aged men angrily showing each other their penises.

I was showing my penis calmly.

Bus-Conductor said:

Of Redknapp's six EPL (on which those figures are based) games we have been behind in 4 of them. In fact Redkanpp had nothing to do with the Bolton game so technically he's been behind in 4 out of 5.

looks like I've taken repossession of you.

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Lol. I said we were often in the lead compared to Ramos. Since we have won most of our games with Harry, it suggest a lead right?

Since we lost ALL under Ramos bar 2 draws it suggests more chasey chasey. You know it, because you saw the games.

Michey said:

Eek

37, you must be kidding. Your posts and way of discussion would suggest 13-14

What can i say more than.....i feel a little bit sorry for you. Well, hang in there....you might get there in the end.

No not really....cause i think we've lacked the skills and speed in our performances. Lennon had fun with a young debutant against Blackburn......but other than that - No.

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You feel sorry for me? Why?

I am on a Spurs website. Supporting Harry Redknapp and giving my opinion on BC's stats.

You are the one questioning Redknapp after he turned us around, not only on paper in all of the cups and the league but in the dressing room.

Why do you pity me?

gibbs131 said:

You are the one questioning Redknapp after he turned us around, not only on paper in all of the cups and the league but in the dressing room.

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What i've been saying in a few threads is;

A few wins, good but our performances (apart from first half aginst Pool in the cup and a shitty Zagreb) hasn't been impressive. So i'll be looking at coming games with an critical eye and see if we can (im my eyes) play some good football against teams playing with 11 men for 90 mins.

That's all, let's leave it at that. I'll be looking with a critical eye and want to see improvement on the way we play.....you're happy as it is.

So.....let's have one of these :beer: and watch some Champs League...who knows L'arse might loose :up:

Michey said:

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What i've been saying in a few threads is;

A few wins, good but our performances (apart from first half aginst Pool in the cup and a shitty Zagreb) hasn't been impressive. So i'll be looking at coming games with an critical eye and see if we can (im my eyes) play some good football against teams playing with 11 men for 90 mins.

That's all, let's leave it at that. I'll be looking with a critical eye and want to see improvement on the way we play.....you're happy as it is.

So.....let's have one of these :beer: and watch some Champs League...who knows L'arse might loose :up:

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No spoilers. I am in Florida and taping them all.

Not in my moms basement.

Michey said:

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What i've been saying in a few threads is;

A few wins, good but our performances (apart from first half aginst Pool in the cup and a shitty Zagreb) hasn't been impressive. So i'll be looking at coming games with an critical eye and see if we can (im my eyes) play some good football against teams playing with 11 men for 90 mins.

That's all, let's leave it at that. I'll be looking with a critical eye and want to see improvement on the way we play.....you're happy as it is.

So.....let's have one of these :beer: and watch some Champs League...who knows L'arse might loose :up:

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What I don't understand is this: Redknapp inherited a squad had suffered Spurs's worst ever start. The players were desperately low on confidence. We had a goalie who looked like he was having a nervous breakdown. We had a strike-force of three players, two of whom had never scored a Premiership goal. When Harry took over, I wasn't expecting us to suddenly play amazing football, scoring 5 every time. I was simply expecting an improvement.

Given all that, I think our performances have been hugely impressive, particularly considering the teams we played against: Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal in particular. We've shown creativity, we've scored goals and we've created chances. On three occasions we've scored 4 goals. Of course we haven't suddenly become a top 4 team capable of consistently dominating teams in midfield. But who thought we would? No-one. Given everything that has happened this season, I can't possibly imagine us putting in better performances than we've enjoyed under Redknapp.

Yes, we've had opposing players sent off in a few games. But that's not luck. That's the fact that we have good attacking players now playing with confidence and drawing loads of fouls. Can you argue with any of the sendings off?

There's nothing wrong with casting a critical eye over Redknapp or thinking that the hype around him is a bit much, but honestly, I can't think of anyone sane who could name a manager who would have gotten better performances from the team than Harry has done.

gibbs131 said:

Was that supposed to be a comeback? You contradicted yourself. You know that right?

You know I owned you with the "rarely in the lead under Ramos this season so we had to chase the game as we were losing hence your stats" type thing. And Arry's sats reflect him PROTECTING a lead and not throwing everything forward. haha.

You know I owned your face. You didn't see it, you could not look at the big picture could you? Haha. Awwwwwww.

You are sitting there, humiliated, upset and thinking crazy ways to dispute my claim. How about some more name calling?

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Talk about a childish post.

B-C is trying to make a point, their is no need to try and intimidate him into giving an agressive response by typing such things as "you know I owned you" and "awwwwww"..

If you want to prove him wrong, do so by giving factual information or stating your opinion in a constructive way.

Not like this at all. You will just lose any credibility that you might have very quickly, you'r not doing yourself ANY favours by making such posts.

Since Redknapp has been in charge we have faced; two of the top four. Man city who are brillant at home, Fulham who are brillant at home and hard to score against, and Blackburn. Now B-C why do you think those stats would not be as good as Ramos's. Think just for a moment without looking at Redknapp as manager would any manager done that well in stats with those 5 games.

Redknapp is a good manager, he has through out his career managed to do very well against the big 4 sides. He has also taken teams to play above their level apart from 1 season at West Ham. He has promoted youth and helped produce some of Englands best players in the last decade. Considering that he has never managed a big club he has been an outstanding manager with the resources he has had to use. Admitedly he has made bad signings in his time, so has evrey manager. He is apart from Fergusion and Frenchie the most experanced prem manager out there.

Now considering this one trick pony thing, just bull, I remember his West Ham team they did play good football. I have several pompey mates and do watch them play a bit even been down to Fratton with a free bee. They were entertaining at times, you have to remember though that with limited resources unless you have had ages to build a team it is difficult to play attractive football and win. It takes time, Harry will come good and eventually you will be obvously suprised at the nice football we will play. at the mo though its about winning, so please give the man a chance, very disappointed in a narrow view.:duh:

Felt sorry for Ramos too, but he had to go. The point at which I knew we had problems was when I heard him speak English, his accent was so heavy he was unintelligable to me. This is coming from someone who from 10 grew up in Scotland so I know about odd accents and think I am good at understanding them. That was a big problem and I think you could tell with the team, that they had the same problem. I also have a odd thought on his deitery regime, do you think his fitness coach would have taken in to account the tempeture differance between Sevilla and London. I am sure he did, but could that possibly be the reason they were running out of energy and seemed lathergic.

There are many good, and several puerile, posts in this thread.

Having reflected on it, my take on Ramos is that he tried to do too much too quickly. He knew he was being paid silly money to get us into the CL. Jol had achieved 5th place. Whatever Levy may have said publicly, Ramos was hired to crack the top four.

I strongly suspect that the early ITK that Ramos thought none of our midfield four (Lennon, Jenas, Zokora, Steed) were any better than squad players was correct. He was very stubborn in his judgement of players: eg he didn't rate Lee so he played the right-footed Chimbonda at LB, despite the fact that Chimbo offered us nothing going forwards from LB and was by all accounts often a disgrace in training. (Roy Keane has completely lost interest in Chimbo at Sunderland.)

I believe Ramos wanted to build a fluent passing team with Arshavin playing off Pavlyuchenko up front, and technically gifted players like Bentley, Modric & Gio supplying the bullets. However, once we failed to sign Arshavin, he didn't have a clear idea about our shape, and remained unconvinced that Darren Bent was a striker to build a team around. Hence the constant chopping of changing of players and formations early on this season.

In man-management terms, Ramos appears to share Hoddle's fatal flaw of letting players know that he didn't rate them or their efforts. The refusal to grant the likes of Rocha, Taarabt & Boateng squad numbers, and to make them train with the reserves, was presumably intended to motivate the entire squad and let them know that it was Juande's way or the highway. Instead, the entire first team squad ended up looking nervous and, frankly, clueless.

I think Juande did intend to upgrade the entire team - and had almost achieved this defensively. However, if the likes of Lennon, JJ, Zokora, Huddlestone & Steed knew that Ramos wanted to sign "better" players, then they would always be looking over their shoulders. And their performances often reflected this.

'Arry has come in and removed that cloud of fear and lack of confidence. All the players are involved in training. 'Arry does the simple things like telling them that they're outstanding players, and giving uncomplicated instructions like "just run around a lot".

Like B-C, I think historically Redknapp has not got the best out of some very talented footballers. He played Kanoute as a right-winger for much of his Spammers' career. And given the calibre of midfield players he had at Pompey last season, they should have played better quality football.

In short, imo Ramos tried to change too much too quickly at Spurs. At the beginning of this season he ended up having no clear idea of what our best formation was - due in large part to the failure to sign Arshavin. Juande's persona of a somewhat aloof disciplinarian does not appear to have inspired trust and confidence in our players.

Meanwhile, we've achieved some excelllent results under 'Arry, and certain players are beginning to thrive - eg Huddlestone & Lennon. Long may it continue.

Deep down, I don't see Redknapp, Bond, Jordan and Sherwood as the dream team. I hope I'm proved wrong.

yanno said:

There are many good, and several puerile, posts in this thread.

Having reflected on it, my take on Ramos is that he tried to do too much too quickly. He knew he was being paid silly money to get us into the CL. Jol had achieved 5th place. Whatever Levy may have said publicly, Ramos was hired to crack the top four.

I strongly suspect that the early ITK that Ramos thought none of our midfield four (Lennon, Jenas, Zokora, Steed) were any better than squad players was correct. He was very stubborn in his judgement of players: eg he didn't rate Lee so he played the right-footed Chimbonda at LB, despite the fact that Chimbo offered us nothing going forwards from LB and was by all accounts often a disgrace in training. (Roy Keane has completely lost interest in Chimbo at Sunderland.)

I believe Ramos wanted to build a fluent passing team with Arshavin playing off Pavlyuchenko up front, and technically gifted players like Bentley, Modric & Gio supplying the bullets. However, once we failed to sign Arshavin, he didn't have a clear idea about our shape, and remained unconvinced that Darren Bent was a striker to build a team around. Hence the constant chopping of changing of players and formations early on this season.

In man-management terms, Ramos appears to share Hoddle's fatal flaw of letting players know that he didn't rate them or their efforts. The refusal to grant the likes of Rocha, Taarabt & Boateng squad numbers, and to make them train with the reserves, was presumably intended to motivate the entire squad and let them know that it was Juande's way or the highway. Instead, the entire first team squad ended up looking nervous and, frankly, clueless.

I think Juande did intend to upgrade the entire team - and had almost achieved this defensively. However, if the likes of Lennon, JJ, Zokora, Huddlestone & Steed knew that Ramos wanted to sign "better" players, then they would always be looking over their shoulders. And their performances often reflected this.

'Arry has come in and removed that cloud of fear and lack of confidence. All the players are involved in training. 'Arry does the simple things like telling them that they're outstanding players, and giving uncomplicated instructions like "just run around a lot".

Like B-C, I think historically Redknapp has not got the best out of some very talented footballers. He played Kanoute as a right-winger for much of his Spammers' career. And given the calibre of midfield players he had at Pompey last season, they should have played better quality football.

In short, imo Ramos tried to change too much too quickly at Spurs. At the beginning of this season he ended up having no clear idea of what our best formation was - due in large part to the failure to sign Arshavin. Juande's persona of a somewhat aloof disciplinarian does not appear to have inspired trust and confidence in our players.

Meanwhile, we've achieved some excelllent results under 'Arry, and certain players are beginning to thrive - eg Huddlestone & Lennon. Long may it continue.

Deep down, I don't see Redknapp, Bond, Jordan and Sherwood as the dream team. I hope I'm proved wrong.

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Fucking excellent post.

The trouble with saying Arshavin didnt come so Ramos didnt know his best formation is that Harry did straight away when he came here. Which actually shows with your point, bad tactical awareness by Ramos. I am a big Ramos fan, but if you cannot communicate with your players, you will not inspire confidence, if you do not inspire confidence your teams fucked. I did feel sorry for him he did try to change to much to soon, was unable to get players he felt we really needed etc....

The other thing though Harry Redknapp a bad trainer, funny cause in the month he has been here I could swear Lennon has got a LOT better at crossing and desicion making, Hudd seems to be passing better than ever. Owe well must be me and my imagination.

leonspurs said:

The trouble with saying Arshavin didnt come so Ramos didnt know his best formation is that Harry did straight away when he came here.

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I see no evidence that 'Arry knows what his best formation is yet. Against Bolton, Clive Allen provided strong evidence of what our best formation is: Luka in the hole, with JJ & Hud behind. But I don't think Redknapp has played that formation since taking charge.

leonspurs said:

The other thing though Harry Redknapp a bad trainer, funny cause in the month he has been here I could swear Lennon has got a LOT better at crossing and desicion making, Hudd seems to be passing better than ever. Owe well must be me and my imagination.

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Sorry, I don't buy the idea that 'Arry's coaching has improved Lennon's crossing and Hudd's decision making in a month. Lennon had hardly started under Redknapp till the Blackburn game. The Hud is clearly thriving by being told that he is the "quarterback", and it's his job to look up and play the ball around.

However, I've seen little improvement in Bentley's generally woeful crossing from open play, and Gareth Bale still looks totally lacking in confidence.

Harry was with clive for that first game and did input into that team confirmed it himself on radio, Lennons decision making dude not hudds. Lennon played zargreb and was good then esp. crossing that was when I noticed that it had improved you should watch more carefully. Also in a interview stated himself(Lennon) that since Harry has been their the have been working hard on his crosses.

leonspurs said:

Harry was with clive for that first game and did input into that team confirmed it himself on radio, Lennons decision making dude not hudds. Lennon played zargreb and was good then esp. crossing that was when I noticed that it had improved you should watch more carefully. Also in a interview stated himself(Lennon) that since Harry has been their the have been working hard on his crosses.

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Thanks for telling me I should watch more carefully, and calling me dude. :up:

Makes me feel like the Big Lebowski... :wink:

leonspurs said:

Harry was with clive for that first game and did input into that team confirmed it himself on radio, Lennons decision making dude not hudds. Lennon played zargreb and was good then esp. crossing that was when I noticed that it had improved you should watch more carefully. Also in a interview stated himself(Lennon) that since Harry has been their the have been working hard on his crosses.

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But i heard and read - I think it was even in the Liverpool program (but could be wrong) Redknapp state catagorically that Clive Allen picked the team and tactics for the Bolton game.

And do you really believe that Ramos didn't have Lennon practicing crosses ?

This is just the sort of irritating nonsense that encouraged this thread.

On Sunday Lennon was busy and played well. But actually only put in one cross that found it's target and that was not a cross but a short range pass and we scored from it.

lol, one of my favs that one great film. :wink: He stated before the Bolton game that he would have his say in that game and did. was in the dug out and gave the talk at half time with clive, so he did have input with Clive B-C. He did have Clive doing what you said but he did have input.

mil1lion said:

Sorry but you've missed a lot of action in the past month. You must have missed when Harry put Lennon on against Arsenal, and who scored that equaliser? Who set him up for that equalisier? Modric. Where was Modric playing? About 20-30 yards further upfield. Who scored the winner against Liverpool? Pavyluchenko. Who set him up for the goal? Bent. Two players who apparently cant play together, but Harry put Pavyluchenko on and kept Bent on. How about the man of the match on Sunday? Lennon. Where was he playing? On the right. That was a tactical decision from Harry to expose a young fullback who gets little protection from the player in front of him.

These are just a few examples of the great tactical decision that Harry has made. Matchwinning ones at that. Luck is made not given by some greater power. People need to open their eyes.

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Hmmmm thanks for that, but you're mistaken, I've missed hardly any action over the last month. And my eyes have been wide open. Perhaps you might like to engage your brain.

So he threw Lennon on when we were trailing. Genius.

And it was Clive Allen who first played Modric in that position.

So he threw an extra striker on when we were trailing. Genius. His wonderful tactics should have left us dead and buried in that game long before the substitutions btw.

And he finally selected Lennon from the start, well done Harry! Pity you couldn't bring yourself to drop Bentley and instead shoved him over the left, thus making him even more shocking than usual.

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lol, one of my favs that one great film. :wink: He stated before the Bolton game that he would have his say in that game and did. was in the dug out and gave the talk at half time with clive, so he did have input with Clive B-C. He did have Clive doing what you said but he did have input.

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Would he have claimed any input if we had lost?