World Cup Qualifiers Qatar 2022

[Ossie85]

The Argentina team is going back to Argentina now. There's a game against Bolivia next week, but a reporter just said the 4 PL players could be allowed to go back earlier

 

[taidgh]

Quite the day for FIFA. Match between Morocco and Guinea off amidst an attempted coup.

Morocco escorted out of Guinea after apparent coup

Morocco are escorted out of Guinea after an apparent coup postpones game, while on the pitch Namibia stun Togo.

www.bbc.com

 

[Caco]

The brazlian players from UK didn't travel because their clubs or the PL didn't let them, not because of restrictions in Brazil. CBF wanted them to go and they complained about it. I just mentioned 2 cases of players that traveled to Brazil from the UK in the last days and had no quarantine
Cavani didn't go to Uruguay either, and that country has no restrictions

Brazilian authorities are not allowing travellers from UK, Northern Ireland, South Africa and India into Brazil. Yeah they're clubs were against them going and the travel laws in each country changes quite regularly, but that's been the law in Brazil since before they arrived.

 

[beats1]

We shouldn't have let them go but the club has historically been fair to their players and always let them go on intl duty think we should have put our foot down this time though.

TBF the Argentinian FA made everyone go

 

[chrissivad]

The Argentina team is going back to Argentina now. There's a game against Bolivia next week, but a reported just said the 4 PL players could be allowed to go back earlier

Villa had agreed to let their players go for the first 2 matches, I wouldn't be surprised if we did the same.

 

[Shadydan]

TBF the Argentinian FA made everyone go

We pay their wages though so we could have said no, they belong to us, not them. I guess though we are willing to placate our players especially the South American players, football is more like a religion over there and they wouldn't be too happy to miss out.

I think now going forward of this shit show isn't sorted then we have every right to hold them back purely for safety reasons.

 

[beats1]

We pay their wages though so we could have said no, they belong to us, not them. I guess though we are willing to placate our players especially the South American players, football is more like a religion over there and they wouldn't be too happy to miss out.

I think now going forward of this shit show isn't sorted then we have every right to hold them back purely for safety reasons.

As far as Im aware other FA's told their players to go until clubs stepped in whereas Argentinian FA told everyone if they dont go this will be held against them in the World Cup

The Copa America squad is all there

 

[Shadydan]

As far as Im aware other FA's told their players to go until clubs stepped in whereas Argentinian FA told everyone if they dont go this will be held against them in the World Cup

The Copa America squad is all there

That's not our problem.

 

[fortworthspur]

its a bit daft to schedule a qualifier between two teams full of players from Europe and then enforce quarantine. Its beyond silly, to be honest. 22 Argentines arent going to make a lick of difference in the big picture of a country that has almost 600,000 dead from covid. its like putting a band-aid on a guy thats been shot 12 times.

 

[beats1]

That's not our problem.

It isnt but I guess we felt we had to keep them happy

 

[Shadydan]

It isnt but I guess we felt we had to keep them happy

Yeah that's what I said lol

 

[taidgh]

That's not our problem.

Pithy reply aside, it quite obviously is our problem.

 

[beats1]

Yeah that's what I said lol

I know but I was just highlighting the other FA's didn't put as much pressure, most South American players come from Brazil in the PL

Whereas there are literally like 6 Argentinian players in the PL 2 at us, 2 at villa, 2 at West Ham and 1 at Brighton, with the last 3 not making the squad.

Worth noting that Emerson was in the Copa America squad but didn't go to this international

 

[taidgh]

Pithy reply aside, it quite obviously is our problem.

@Shadydan You don't think the it's a problem for Spurs that Argentinian FA told their players it would be held against them if they missed qualifiers? Strange as it directly led to those players travelling for said qualifiers.

 

[luRRka]

We pay their wages though so we could have said no, they belong to us, not them. I guess though we are willing to placate our players especially the South American players, football is more like a religion over there and they wouldn't be too happy to miss out.

I think now going forward of this shit show isn't sorted then we have every right to hold them back purely for safety reasons.

Genuine question, does FIFA rules not apply here?

Principle 1.1. says: "Clubs are obliged to release their registered players to the representative teams of the country for which the player is eligible to play on the basis of his nationality if they are called up by the association concerned. Any agreement between a player and a club to the contrary is prohibited."

 

[taidgh]

all speculation

@Bluto Blutarsky Yeah, I'll wait for a more reputable news outlet than EiF soccer on Twitter to report the facts of what actually went down and how.

 

[Col_M]

Genuine question, does FIFA rules not apply here?

Principle 1.1. says: "Clubs are obliged to release their registered players to the representative teams of the country for which the player is eligible to play on the basis of his nationality if they are called up by the association concerned. Any agreement between a player and a club to the contrary is prohibited."

Did the clubs just make a request and it was up to the players? If that’s the case, it’s not an agreement.

edit. Reading the Guardian story it does say Liverpool wrote to the various National FAs to say they would not release their players.

so what powers to FIFA have now? Is it purely to ban all said club’s players from international football?

 

[luRRka]

Did the clubs just make a request and it was up to the players? If that’s the case, it’s not an agreement.

It was aimed more at the post I was replying to which said effectively we pay the players and they belong to us so we should have said no.

I was asking (because I don't know) if we can say no as unless there is another rule, that says we can't

 

[Col_M]

Here’s what FIFA can do if the clubs have not reached an agreement with the national FAs (this is in relation to the first 4 clubs that refused)

Unless the four clubs strike a deal with the relevant national associations for their players to remain in the UK, Fifa regulations state they will be banned from fielding them for five days after the current international window.

 

[luRRka]

Here’s what FIFA can do if the clubs have not reached an agreement with the national FAs (this is in relation to the first 4 clubs that refused)

Unless the four clubs strike a deal with the relevant national associations for their players to remain in the UK, Fifa regulations state they will be banned from fielding them for five days after the current international window.

So less of a punishment than letting them go and then have to isolate.

I guess like everyone is saying, it's not in our interest to piss off our players and lose them the opportunity for a place in the world Cup squad