Winter Transfer Window Scouting Thread 23/24

[fecka]

While I'm still not convinced about Vlahovic (whether or not he has enough about his overall game), from what I've read Juventus supporters make it sound like Allegri is doing what Conte did here in his second season. Last season Juve's top scorer was Vlahovic with 10 goals in the league and 14 goals all comps. That's 22 starts, 5 subs in the league (1931 minutes), 42 apps/2945 minutes total all comps. It was under Allegri that they didn't rate Deki or Bentancur and look how they turned out, they've been some of the best players in the team the last 2 years they've been here

We all know first hand how much of a difference a change in style of play, going from a bad to great attitude and general feeling can make on players. Another example being Villa, they were near relegation form under Gerrard and in a year are now in CL spots and have won 15 home games in a row, which is the 4th highest ever in the Prem (behind Liverpool (24), Man U and Man City (both 20)). Stats don't mean a thing without context - take into account the situation, manager, style of play etc. If you look at last season you'd think that Bissouma wasn't good because Conte never played him right? Porro hardly set the world on fire, Deki regressed significantly, Sarr barely played, Son went downhill etc etc. Now in a year they're quality, are they completely different players or are they playing a style of football that suits them in a great environment that allows them to express themselves?

Since we are mentioning Juve I'd like to again say go all out for Chiesa because that guy is top class and would help take the team to another level, even if it'll never happen

I was all for Kulusevski at the time in contrast to most on here because I could see how he would fit in. With Vlahovic I believe we’re running a significant risk of doing another Ndombele & Richarlison.

Allegri’s football may well be a big reason for his drop off, but my personal belief is the injuries might be the biggest culprit as his performance in the NT has been equally impacted.

Groin issues are notoriously difficult to recover from and from my limited knowledge I’d honestly have more faith in 100% recovery from an ACL tear.

 

[Guntz]

Solanke?

It finally looks like he’s realising his potential.

 

[dontcallme]

Solanke?

It finally looks like he’s realising his potential.

Very recently signed a new contract to 2027.

Puts his availability in the unlikely column.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

Solanke?

It finally looks like he’s realising his potential.

I think he's at the right club as it stands.

 

[FloridaSpur]

He’s gone from 0.45 goals/game to 0.36 goals/game in a far superior side, and looks to have picked up a long-term back issue as well as a chronic groin issue from what I’ve read. If we remove his first two seasons at Fiorentina as a teenager (6 in 40 games) he was at 38 goals in 58 games, or 0.65 goals/game, across two seasons in the league.

For Forentina he scored 21 in 37 (20/21) and 17 in 21 (21/22) before leaving for Juventus in the winter window.
Since going to Juventus he’s gone 7 in 15 and 10 in 27 games.

How isn’t that regressing? How does that inspire confidence that he would be the guy for us?

Fucks sake mate, he's a far a better player than Richy who i guess has scored o.ooooooooooooooooooooooo.1 goals per game since we signed him.

All players get injured and some worse than others but he would add quality to the squad and certainly more than the Pidgeon boy has since joining us.

 

[fecka]

Fucks sake mate, he's a far a better player than Richy who i guess has scored o.ooooooooooooooooooooooo.1 goals per game since we signed him.

All players get injured and some worse than others but he would add quality to the squad and certainly more than the Pidgeon boy has since joining us.

He is.
My point is there are IMO better replacements for the same, or even less, money that can actually be counted on to play.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

He is.
My point is there are IMO better replacements for the same, or even less, money that can actually be counted on to play.

Interested in who. It feels like me that Juventus have scouted well but haven't had managers that want to build a team. Vlahovic was sensational at Fiorentina and could be another who has underperformed because if Juve not because of quality.

 

[dontcallme]

Interested in who. It feels like me that Juventus have scouted well but haven't had managers that want to build a team. Vlahovic was sensational at Fiorentina and could be another who has underperformed because if Juve not because of quality.

I think his point is more about a decline after a few injuries, possibly long-term.

 

[fecka]

Interested in who. It feels like me that Juventus have scouted well but haven't had managers that want to build a team. Vlahovic was sensational at Fiorentina and could be another who has underperformed because if Juve not because of quality.

I'll reiterate that I don't believe he's a bad player. I'm worried that his chronic groin issue and long-term back issue will continue to haunt him which it clearly has at both Juve & in the NT. A healthy Vlahovic would likely have been phenomenal under Conte. I don't have the same confidence in a half-crocked Vlahovic under Ange where he won't get nearly as much space to run.

But as an answer to your question, I'd have equal or more faith in Gyökeres or Gimenez. Even Marcos Leonardo might do very well in Ange's system. Or Victor Boniface, Serhou Guirassy, Lois Openda to name a few. If Vlahovic is on Ange's wish list, so be it. I just feel he'd be another that won't match expectations and we wouldn't be able to shift down the road.

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

He is.
My point is there are IMO better replacements for the same, or even less, money that can actually be counted on to play.

Don’t agree at all. He’s top notch and still only 23.

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

I think his point is more about a decline after a few injuries, possibly long-term.

He’s still only 23.

 

[dontcallme]

He’s still only 23.

A long-term injury can still derail his career.

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

I'll reiterate that I don't believe he's a bad player. I'm worried that his chronic groin issue and long-term back issue will continue to haunt him which it clearly has at both Juve & in the NT. A healthy Vlahovic would likely have been phenomenal under Conte. I don't have the same confidence in a half-crocked Vlahovic under Ange where he won't get nearly as much space to run.

But as an answer to your question, I'd have equal or more faith in Gyökeres or Gimenez. Even Marcos Leonardo might do very well in Ange's system. Or Victor Boniface, Serhou Guirassy, Lois Openda to name a few. If Vlahovic is on Ange's wish list, so be it. I just feel he'd be another that won't match expectations and we wouldn't be able to shift down the road.

None of those players are in Vlahovic’s league imvho. Also he’s only had one out and out groin injury and the other is a sports hernia which is reasonably straightforward surgery.

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

A long-term injury can still derail his career.

He hasn’t got a long term injury though. Two different injuries in the same area. He’s had surgery which is straight forward and there’s nothing to suggest it’s a chronic injury.

 

[dontcallme]

He hasn’t got a long term injury though. Two different injuries in the same area. He’s had surgery which is straight forward and there’s nothing to suggest it’s a chronic injury.

The post I was responding to, suggests he potentially does.

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

The post I was responding to, suggests he potentially does.

Fair enough but I’m responding to the fact that nothing I’ve seen remotely suggests it’s a chronic injury. I’m happy to be corrected if that’s definitely not true.

 

[fecka]

None of those players are in Vlahovic’s league imvho. Also he’s only had one out and out groin injury and the other is a sports hernia which is reasonably straightforward surgery.

One out-and-out groin injury and one pubalgia (or sports hernia if you will) with back injuries at two separate occasions. Pubalgia is a chronic groin lesion and despite being called sports hernia, it is in fact not a hernia. It is not uncommon for pain to continue after surgery and to have recurring issues afterward. A friend of mine who's a bit of a fitness freak suffered a groin injury a while ago and has had to do three surgeries in 18 months at one of the better hospitals in Europe for sports injuries and can still barely do any fitness work at all apart from rehab.

While Dusan is 23 and could get back to 100%, I think it would be daft to risk it with the amount of question marks hanging over his head regarding muscle injuries and performances. Has he regressed because of Allegri? Is it the injuries? Is it the pressure?
I remember similar discussions around Ndombele and his lack of application (different issues, but plenty of question marks) back in the day. Juve have been trying to shift Dusan actively to replace with Lukaku. The cynic in me tells me that's because they'd like to get as high a fee as possible before his value plummets further.

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

One out-and-out groin injury and one pubalgia (or sports hernia if you will) with back injuries at two separate occasions. Pubalgia is a chronic groin lesion and despite being called sports hernia, it is in fact not a hernia. It is not uncommon for pain to continue after surgery and to have recurring issues afterward. A friend of mine who's a bit of a fitness freak suffered a groin injury a while ago and has had to do three surgeries in 18 months at one of the better hospitals in Europe for sports injuries and can still barely do any fitness work at all apart from rehab.

While Dusan is 23 and could get back to 100%, I think it would be daft to risk it with the amount of question marks hanging over his head regarding muscle injuries and performances. Has he regressed because of Allegri? Is it the injuries? Is it the pressure?
I remember similar discussions around Ndombele and his lack of application (different issues, but plenty of question marks) back in the day. Juve have been trying to shift Dusan actively to replace with Lukaku. The cynic in me tells me that's because they'd like to get as high a fee as possible before his value plummets further.

As far as I’m aware he’s only missed two games this season with a slight back strain, last season was certainly injury hit but players have those. There’s no way we’d sign him anyway if the medical was questionable.
If the medical team were happy imo he’s as good as we could possibly get.
Time will tell.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

One out-and-out groin injury and one pubalgia (or sports hernia if you will) with back injuries at two separate occasions. Pubalgia is a chronic groin lesion and despite being called sports hernia, it is in fact not a hernia. It is not uncommon for pain to continue after surgery and to have recurring issues afterward. A friend of mine who's a bit of a fitness freak suffered a groin injury a while ago and has had to do three surgeries in 18 months at one of the better hospitals in Europe for sports injuries and can still barely do any fitness work at all apart from rehab.

While Dusan is 23 and could get back to 100%, I think it would be daft to risk it with the amount of question marks hanging over his head regarding muscle injuries and performances. Has he regressed because of Allegri? Is it the injuries? Is it the pressure?
I remember similar discussions around Ndombele and his lack of application (different issues, but plenty of question marks) back in the day. Juve have been trying to shift Dusan actively to replace with Lukaku. The cynic in me tells me that's because they'd like to get as high a fee as possible before his value plummets further.

Isn't pubalgia the injury Skipp had which has been resolved by surgery?

 

[fecka]

As far as I’m aware he’s only missed two games this season with a slight back strain, last season was certainly injury hit but players have those. There’s no way we’d sign him anyway if the medical was questionable.
If the medical team were happy imo he’s as good as we could possibly get.
Time will tell.

Some injuries don't make players unavailable but still impact them. Richy & Son both played with groin injuries for more than a season IIRC, and we know how it affected them.