Winter Transfer Window Scouting Thread 23/24

[funkycoldmedina]

Yeah for every bentacur there’s an average cheap player or a flopp. How many cheap forwards have we signed and how many have worked out?

How many expensive players have we bought that have flopped?

 

[ukdy]

Money was never the issue. It's spending it right. Hopefully with Fabio's dark magic + our new management team + new, properly implemented data analysis, we'll be on a better path.

 

[Spursberg]

Money was never the issue. It's spending it right. Hopefully with Fabio's dark magic + our new management team + new, properly implemented data analysis, we'll be on a better path.

Well it has been an issue in some way and spending it "right" have guaranteed been stopped by Levy.
evy has never accepted spending a budget on 2 top top players. Yes he could spend 150 in a transfer window, but that would be 5-7 players and not 2

there are several times we would benefit more from a Van Djik / Allison purchase, but Levy want the faboulus seven to try and make a profit.
Arsenal needed a central midfielder, they went out and got one of the best in PL for 100 mil, would you ever see Levy do that? Absouluetly not.

And people in here can say, spending much on one player does not guarantee he is good, but it is different spending much on a one season wonder in the French league that was in the 3rd division 2 years before, and spending it on a player that has smashed for 3-4 years. And sometimes when they are available, Levy just need to say feck it, i will spend 80 one player this window, because he is our target!

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Well it has been an issue in some way and spending it "right" have guaranteed been stopped by Levy.
evy has never accepted spending a budget on 2 top top players. Yes he could spend 150 in a transfer window, but that would be 5-7 players and not 2

there are several times we would benefit more from a Van Djik / Allison purchase, but Levy want the faboulus seven to try and make a profit.
Arsenal needed a central midfielder, they went out and got one of the best in PL for 100 mil, would you ever see Levy do that? Absouluetly not.

And people in here can say, spending much on one player does not guarantee he is good, but it is different spending much on a one season wonder in the French league that was in the 3rd division 2 years before, and spending it on a player that has smashed for 3-4 years. And sometimes when they are available, Levy just need to say feck it, i will spend 80 one player this window, because he is our target!

I don't want to derail this thread but when have we been a position that one or two £80m+ would add the finishing touches. We've been in squad building mode for 5 years.

 

[Spursberg]

I don't want to derail this thread but when have we been a position that one or two £80m+ would add the finishing touches. We've been in squad building mode for 5 years.

The 80 was just an example, the point was that we never spend big on one or 2 players, but instead spend the same amount on 5+, there is no denying that?

We have had ITK say in here several tims that x player would be available if Levy stumped up the cash, but that we ahve gone for seccond or third option instead.

but i will let this rest here, we do not need to derail as you said

 

[ukdy]

Well it has been an issue in some way and spending it "right" have guaranteed been stopped by Levy.
evy has never accepted spending a budget on 2 top top players. Yes he could spend 150 in a transfer window, but that would be 5-7 players and not 2

there are several times we would benefit more from a Van Djik / Allison purchase, but Levy want the faboulus seven to try and make a profit.
Arsenal needed a central midfielder, they went out and got one of the best in PL for 100 mil, would you ever see Levy do that? Absouluetly not.

And people in here can say, spending much on one player does not guarantee he is good, but it is different spending much on a one season wonder in the French league that was in the 3rd division 2 years before, and spending it on a player that has smashed for 3-4 years. And sometimes when they are available, Levy just need to say feck it, i will spend 80 one player this window, because he is our target!

Your bias is showing!!!

Tottenham are not in the place to be signing top top players as you put it. Our wage structure isn't capable of it right now, the same goes for transfer fees. We're not Man Utd, Liverpool, City or Chelsea with the bottomless pits of money and overpaying on wages and fees. If you're a player and one of those 4 come along... you're going to have your agent on standby. That's before you talk about the European superclubs who ignore FFP etc.

Pick a club, and I'll show you an example of buying players to stop others getting them, overpaying transfer fees and wages. That's not Tottenham. Not now at least. So for your 2 top top players, do you want all our eggs in 1 basket, a Gio, a anchez, a nDom, a Richy...? or 5-7 where the risk is less and more chance of a gem?

We can identify whoever we want, but if their head is turned elsewhere - it always comes down to wages!!

 

[Locotoro]

Obviously we're all expecting players to be brought in but let's not forget we still have the option of recalling Rodon or Tanganga for added cover. Even if we only bring in 1 really good squad CB and go with one of the two loanees until the summer with Dier leaving that wouldn't be a bad situation.
As for the rest of the squad I think we need another wing option to allow us to move Kulu inside when necessary - what with Perisic, Sess and Solomon being out and Gil really not convincing. Johnson also need much more time to develop and I think he'll end up a central option

 

[bbunc]

Well it has been an issue in some way and spending it "right" have guaranteed been stopped by Levy.
evy has never accepted spending a budget on 2 top top players. Yes he could spend 150 in a transfer window, but that would be 5-7 players and not 2

there are several times we would benefit more from a Van Djik / Allison purchase, but Levy want the faboulus seven to try and make a profit.
Arsenal needed a central midfielder, they went out and got one of the best in PL for 100 mil, would you ever see Levy do that? Absouluetly not.

And people in here can say, spending much on one player does not guarantee he is good, but it is different spending much on a one season wonder in the French league that was in the 3rd division 2 years before, and spending it on a player that has smashed for 3-4 years. And sometimes when they are available, Levy just need to say feck it, i will spend 80 one player this window, because he is our target!

Close to 250M on Tanguy, GLC, Richarlison and Johnson. Imagine if that had gotten us 4 actual 60-70M players.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Another name for the list




5 names supposedly on the shortlist per the article are…

Scalvini
Morato
Zabaryni
Adarabioyo
Guehi

Scalvini best name on the list by a long way imo..

 

[felmani26]

Another name for the list

It would be interesting to know why we didn’t pursue him more rigorously in the first place.

Was it down to management overruling Paratici and the scouting network or was it simply a case of we needed to shift the likes of Sanchez, Tanganga et al out first which we couldn’t ultimately do?

 

[Tucker]

It would be interesting to know why we didn’t pursue him more rigorously in the first place.

Was it down to management overruling Paratici and the scouting network or was it simply a case of we needed to shift the likes of Sanchez, Tanganga et al out first which we couldn’t ultimately do?

The home grown balance of the squad probably had a bit to do with it too.

 

[FloridaSpur]

Both Iling Junior and Soule coming in would be ideal, and seems like a do-able January double deal with Juve. That's around £30m for two excellent players, one of which will count as HG.

Add a new CB, someone like Caeceres for a reasonable fee and we could very easily looking at an excellent window without an outlay of more than say £35m.

If we can shift Dier, Lloris & Perisic out the door then we start saving around £500k per week in wages.

That also means going into the summer we'd have a squad of:

Vicario, Forster, Whiteman
Porro, Emerson, Romero, Caeceres, Phillips, VDV, Davies, Udogie, Illing-Junior
Bissouma, Bentancur, Sarr, Lo Celso, Maddison, Skipp
Deki, Soule, Johnson, Solomon
Son, Richarlison, Veliz

If Richi proves himself up to the task before the end of this season now he's had surgery on his injury then great. If in the more likely case he doesn't then really the only transfer activity we need to do in the summer is sell Richi and replace him, and possibly get someone else in for the AM role, but it's possible Donley could have earned that spot by then.

Jan Activity:
Ins - Iling Junior, Soule and Caeceres
Outs - Lloris, Dier and Perisic

Likely Summer Activity:
Ins - New ST, maybe a new AM
Outs - Richi, PEH, Sessegnon, Spence, Reguilon, Ndombele, Gil, Rodon & Tanganga

So that's quite a few outs needed in the summer yet again. That being said Rodon and PEH will be easy to sell. I think Tanganga can find a move too.

Ideally Gil gets a good amount of playing time and if we bring in IJ and Soule in Jan we can look to ship Gil out then, if not I think we'll find a taker in the summer.

Spence, Sess, Reguilon & Ndombele are as usual going to be the tough ones to shift.

If we can shift Dier, Lloris & Perisic out the door then we start saving around £500k per week in wages.

Dier and Lloris will see out their contracts and isn't Perisic done for the season?

Ange likes Sess so i can't see him going either?

Wait and see another few weeks I guess?

 

[FloridaSpur]

Not really a fan of Vlahovic to be honest. I used to be but feel like he's gone backwards since Fiorentina.

Guess we might at least expect him to score more than Richy though.

5 in 13 this season carrying a back injury, and 28 in 76 while at Juve.

If he's gone backwards since his time at Fiorentina (49 in 108) then I'd take that decline any day of the week.

 

[fecka]

5 in 13 this season carrying a back injury, and 28 in 76 while at Juve.

If he's gone backwards since his time at Fiorentina (49 in 108) then I'd take that decline any day of the week.

He’s gone from 0.45 goals/game to 0.36 goals/game in a far superior side, and looks to have picked up a long-term back issue as well as a chronic groin issue from what I’ve read. If we remove his first two seasons at Fiorentina as a teenager (6 in 40 games) he was at 38 goals in 58 games, or 0.65 goals/game, across two seasons in the league.

For Forentina he scored 21 in 37 (20/21) and 17 in 21 (21/22) before leaving for Juventus in the winter window.
Since going to Juventus he’s gone 7 in 15 and 10 in 27 games.

How isn’t that regressing? How does that inspire confidence that he would be the guy for us?

 

[GetKaned]

He’s gone from 0.45 goals/game to 0.36 goals/game in a far superior side, and looks to have picked up a long-term back issue as well as a chronic groin issue from what I’ve read. If we remove his first two seasons at Fiorentina as a teenager (6 in 40 games) he was at 38 goals in 58 games, or 0.65 goals/game, across two seasons in the league.

For Forentina he scored 21 in 37 (20/21) and 17 in 21 (21/22) before leaving for Juventus in the winter window.
Since going to Juventus he’s gone 7 in 15 and 10 in 27 games.

How isn’t that regressing? How does that inspire confidence that he would be the guy for us?

He has a cool name

 

[dontcallme]

The 80 was just an example, the point was that we never spend big on one or 2 players, but instead spend the same amount on 5+, there is no denying that?

We have had ITK say in here several tims that x player would be available if Levy stumped up the cash, but that we ahve gone for seccond or third option instead.

but i will let this rest here, we do not need to derail as you said

The genuine top players won't come to us.

There's a reason why when we spend big we get Richarlison instead of Haaland. It's because Haaland wouldn't sign for us.

The current player being touted at £80m is Toney. Another player we could get depending on the competition for his signing but is unlikely to be a world class player.

Our signings over the last 3 seasons include Johnson, Maddison, Porro, VDV, Kulusevski, Vicario, Bissouma, Udogie, Romero, Bentancur and Sarr.

Some were good deals but many included a high but not extortionate fee. If we continue to sign players at their level, I'll be very happy.

 

[King of the Lane]

He’s gone from 0.45 goals/game to 0.36 goals/game in a far superior side, and looks to have picked up a long-term back issue as well as a chronic groin issue from what I’ve read. If we remove his first two seasons at Fiorentina as a teenager (6 in 40 games) he was at 38 goals in 58 games, or 0.65 goals/game, across two seasons in the league.

For Forentina he scored 21 in 37 (20/21) and 17 in 21 (21/22) before leaving for Juventus in the winter window.
Since going to Juventus he’s gone 7 in 15 and 10 in 27 games.

How isn’t that regressing? How does that inspire confidence that he would be the guy for us?

To be fair and add a bit more context to this - Allegri plays very dull defensive football (remind you of anyone?) and many Juve fans think his style has severely affected certain players performances. It sounds similar to what we saw of Bissouma under Conte. Another player we have been linked with Illing Jr - same fans have said he looked really good but gave a pen away so Allegri stopped playing him as punishment, he also did this with another midfielder of theirs who previously had been a regular starter. Look at Kulu and Bentancur at Juve vs how they perform for us. Yes Vlahovic's numbers have dropped but I dont think you can look at that and decide he wouldnt be good for us. I would wager that in Ange's team he would look a totally different player.

 

[knowlespurs]

Obviously we're all expecting players to be brought in but let's not forget we still have the option of recalling Rodon or Tanganga for added cover. Even if we only bring in 1 really good squad CB and go with one of the two loanees until the summer with Dier leaving that wouldn't be a bad situation.
As for the rest of the squad I think we need another wing option to allow us to move Kulu inside when necessary - what with Perisic, Sess and Solomon being out and Gil really not convincing. Johnson also need much more time to develop and I think he'll end up a central option

Don’t think we have an option to recall rodon

 

[fecka]

To be fair and add a bit more context to this - Allegri plays very dull defensive football (remind you of anyone?) and many Juve fans think his style has severely affected certain players performances. It sounds similar to what we saw of Bissouma under Conte. Another player we have been linked with Illing Jr - same fans have said he looked really good but gave a pen away so Allegri stopped playing him as punishment, he also did this with another midfielder of theirs who previously had been a regular starter. Look at Kulu and Bentancur at Juve vs how they perform for us. Yes Vlahovic's numbers have dropped but I dont think you can look at that and decide he wouldnt be good for us. I would wager that in Ange's team he would look a totally different player.

If it only were the numbers, sure. My big concern is that it’s the injury issues that are impacting him the most. IIRC, Juve doesn’t play that dissimilar to how Fiorentina played when he was doing well there.
I hadn’t even mentioned the numbers before it was brought up, as I agree that numbers alone don’t tell the whole story.

Vlahovic directly from Fiorentina would have been interesting, but the current Vlahovic has red flags all over IMO. Just way too big of a risk at likely big money.

 

[HarryKane]

He’s gone from 0.45 goals/game to 0.36 goals/game in a far superior side, and looks to have picked up a long-term back issue as well as a chronic groin issue from what I’ve read. If we remove his first two seasons at Fiorentina as a teenager (6 in 40 games) he was at 38 goals in 58 games, or 0.65 goals/game, across two seasons in the league.

For Forentina he scored 21 in 37 (20/21) and 17 in 21 (21/22) before leaving for Juventus in the winter window.
Since going to Juventus he’s gone 7 in 15 and 10 in 27 games.

How isn’t that regressing? How does that inspire confidence that he would be the guy for us?

While I'm still not convinced about Vlahovic (whether or not he has enough about his overall game), from what I've read Juventus supporters make it sound like Allegri is doing what Conte did here in his second season. Last season Juve's top scorer was Vlahovic with 10 goals in the league and 14 goals all comps. That's 22 starts, 5 subs in the league (1931 minutes), 42 apps/2945 minutes total all comps. It was under Allegri that they didn't rate Deki or Bentancur and look how they turned out, they've been some of the best players in the team the last 2 years they've been here

We all know first hand how much of a difference a change in style of play, going from a bad to great attitude and general feeling can make on players. Another example being Villa, they were near relegation form under Gerrard and in a year are now in CL spots and have won 15 home games in a row, which is the 4th highest ever in the Prem (behind Liverpool (24), Man U and Man City (both 20)). Stats don't mean a thing without context - take into account the situation, manager, style of play etc. If you look at last season you'd think that Bissouma wasn't good because Conte never played him right? Porro hardly set the world on fire, Deki regressed significantly, Sarr barely played, Son went downhill etc etc. Now in a year they're quality, are they completely different players or are they playing a style of football that suits them in a great environment that allows them to express themselves?

Since we are mentioning Juve I'd like to again say go all out for Chiesa because that guy is top class and would help take the team to another level, even if it'll never happen