why was jenas- tainio partnership ended ?

[dannythomas]

Our best 2 players on the pitch against Ar5e. Tanio doing a superb job in the DM position allowing Jenas freedom to do what he is best at , breaking forward and getting into danger positions. He just does not do that when Zokora plays. Irrespective of what you think about Zokora as a player ( and I have my own views ) there is not the same blend when he plays alongside Jenas. I know you can say he did a job in the Final but even then ( probably his best game of the season ) the individual errors at both ends of the pitch were still there.
But what I'm really saying is what has Tainio done to be discarded ? In the semi final he subdued the best attacking midfielder in the country and Jenas also had his best game of the season . Coincidence ? I don't thnk so.

 

[doubledecker]

Our best 2 players on the pitch against Ar5e. Tanio doing a superb job in the DM position allowing Jenas freedom to do what he is best at , breaking forward and getting into danger positions. He just does not do that when Zokora plays. Irrespective of what you think about Zokora as a player ( and I have my own views ) there is not the same blend when he plays alongside Jenas. I know you can say he did a job in the Final but even then ( probably his best game of the season ) the individual errors at both ends of the pitch were still there.
But what I'm really saying is what has Tainio done to be discarded ? In the semi final he subdued the best attacking midfielder in the country and Jenas also had his best game of the season . Coincidence ? I don't thnk so.

Too bloody right !

I don't care about jumping on the anti Zoko bandwagon. First stats have proved our results are better without Zokora. Second we would have won that final if Tainio had played, maybe more comfortably. We were getting overrun for the first half of the 2nd half and got back on track when Hudd came on. He was lucky a penalty was not given against him tonight and he cannot go through a match without committing stupid fouls in suicidal positions.

Tainio was magnificent against Fiberglass and after that game we were all saying we had solved our CM puzzle. FFS what has Tainio done to be almost sold and then either ignored or played at full back ? And what has Zokora done to apparently be an automatic choice ? I must be missing the finer points of his game. Someone please enlighten me !

 

[eViL]

Truth is, we've just not played very well since Zokora returned. (Cup final doesn't count)

I really cannot for the life of me see why Zokora gets the nod EVER. He must be a fucking training SUPERSTAR!!

 

[doubledecker]

Truth is, we've just not played very well since Zokora returned. (Cup final doesn't count)

I really cannot for the life of me see why Zokora gets the nod EVER. He must be a fucking training SUPERSTAR!!

He makes good runs apparently. I mean they all come to nothing but hey who cares ?

 

[mrboombarrakoomba]

no idea why the Tainio-Jenas partnership has been broken up. We look like a totally different side when those 2 our in tandem.

 

[SpurSince57]

Quien sabe?

 

[dannythomas]

Quien sabe?

Never mind, you'll feel better when you make your 20,000 th post.

 

[General Levy]

I hope that Zokora is sold in the summer.

 

[t79boy]

I was thinking the same thing.....probably the best partnership we have going in the middle of the park...scrapped why ???

Mr Poyet explain pls !

 

[michaelden]

I figure the reason TT shone in that game was he was man marking Cesc. Cescis a huge part of the Arsenal build up and to nullify him aids greatly to stifling the whole team.

PSV and Birmingham etc don't have a single player that stands out and is as influential as Cesc is to Arsenal. That is why TT wasn't played an a more mobile CM was chosen.

 

[Krafty]

Zokora goes missing too often. Its not helped by a total lack of width, that makes us almost a 4-2-2-2 at times.

I'd like to see Tainio back. Problem is who do you play with him now Jenas is out? Playing Zokora means no creativity from the centre of the park, playing Huddlestone means no one supporting the strikers. Its a tough question, but I think whatever we do we still lack a midfield general and a goalscoring/creating midfielder.

 

[ibbz]

Zakora is SH1T, he makes me want to throw up every time I see his stupid face, after making another cock up. He shouldnt even be in the side, he belongs with Stoke, or Orient.

He is useless, GOD!!!! Why is he always played? yesterday I felt like pulling my hair out watching him do nothing all game.

Gilberto made a mistake, but anyone notice how Zakora was involved in almost every Spurs cock up?

He must be giving Ramos some very effective blow jobs to warrant inclusion!

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Whilst i agree with the point that the JJ/TT partnership is a dominating prospect, the number of you who have come on here claiming that Zoko is a pile of shit because of one poor game, where it was hard to pick a decent performance out of any of our team - once again, shut the f*ck up. If you want to be listened to, talk sense. If you want to be ignored as a muggy chump who changed his mind more often than their socks with no real basis for it, you'll be fine keeping this kind of attitude.

As stated further up, Teemu may well have done a better job but, to keep to the "one-match-appraisal" system some of you appear to be obsessed with, the comparisons cannot be drawn because both Brum and PSV play completely different systems to the Woolwich - it's obvious to me that TT is aside now as Ramos' utility man, to either fill in where necessary, or to negate the threat of a playmaker - his tenacious style is great for that job but it was obvious there was a different game plan that didn't work.

Zokora is NOT a pile of shit - he had a poo game yesterday, but i don't see half you muggins shouting the odds in here over having a dig at Gilberto. Yeah, he's not fully fit, but from the game i watched he was barely even a factor, except to give the ball away for the goal. Unlucky? Yes, Careless? Definately. Being ripped to shit on a forum because of one bad game? No, and rightly so.

Before the ANC Zoko was having a good run for us - in my opinion he requires that regularity to keep his mind on the job. Fingers crossed he can get his head together, if not, stop whining about it and just be pleased that we have a coach and a manager savvy enough to give TT a shove in the back, confident that he will go out and "do a job" as it were.

Teemu doesn't get the credit he deserves, Zoko gets too much stick for being average for an hour or so.

 

[michaelden]

Farfan? When PSV counter attacked he shook off Zokora with ease and then ran half the length of the pitch without being picked up by anyone.

If Zoko and Gil couldn't catch him then I doubt TT stood much of a chance either

 

[dannythomas]

Whilst i agree with the point that the JJ/TT partnership is a dominating prospect, the number of you who have come on here claiming that Zoko is a pile of shit because of one poor game, where it was hard to pick a decent performance out of any of our team - once again, shut the f*ck up. If you want to be listened to, talk sense. If you want to be ignored as a muggy chump who changed his mind more often than their socks with no real basis for it, you'll be fine keeping this kind of attitude.

As stated further up, Teemu may well have done a better job but, to keep to the "one-match-appraisal" system some of you appear to be obsessed with, the comparisons cannot be drawn because both Brum and PSV play completely different systems to the Woolwich - it's obvious to me that TT is aside now as Ramos' utility man, to either fill in where necessary, or to negate the threat of a playmaker - his tenacious style is great for that job but it was obvious there was a different game plan that didn't work.

Zokora is NOT a pile of shit - he had a poo game yesterday, but i don't see half you muggins shouting the odds in here over having a dig at Gilberto. Yeah, he's not fully fit, but from the game i watched he was barely even a factor, except to give the ball away for the goal. Unlucky? Yes, Careless? Definately. Being ripped to shit on a forum because of one bad game? No, and rightly so.

Before the ANC Zoko was having a good run for us - in my opinion he requires that regularity to keep his mind on the job. Fingers crossed he can get his head together, if not, stop whining about it and just be pleased that we have a coach and a manager savvy enough to give TT a shove in the back, confident that he will go out and "do a job" as it were.

Teemu doesn't get the credit he deserves, Zoko gets too much stick for being average for an hour or so.

One poor game ??? Then that must have been the only game you have watched in the last 2 seasons.

 

[DC_Boy]

I certainly prefer TT & JJ to JJ & DZ -

 

[spursgirl21]

There are two different JJ's in my opinion the JJ that plays with TT who makes great runs, passes and scores goals with confidence. then there is the what I call 'dipsy' JJ the one the looks confused, hardly creates anything does little running forward and generally makes mistake after mistake and you guessed who he's with DZ.

I personally think the JJ& TT partnership is key to winning matches, I would rather have TT someone who stays calm (no rash tackles) cleans up any mistakes that may have been made (i,e JJ losing the ball, is better than DZ) and what TT gives to JJ is a damn sight more than what DZ give to JJ.

Think that covers my view.

 

[yanno]

There are two different JJ's in my opinion the JJ that plays with TT who makes great runs, passes and scores goals with confidence. then there is the what I call 'dipsy' JJ the one the looks confused, hardly creates anything does little running forward and generally makes mistake after mistake and you guessed who he's with DZ.

I personally think the JJ& TT partnership is key to winning matches, I would rather have TT someone who stays calm (no rash tackles) cleans up any mistakes that may have been made (i,e JJ losing the ball, is better than DZ) and what TT gives to JJ is a damn sight more than what DZ give to JJ.

This is a very important point which has been expressed by some of us for quite some time, but is very well articulated here by spursgirl21.

It's not simply a case of who appears to be the more gifted player of Tainio and Zokora. It's a case of what they bring to the team. Tainio's discipline and excellent positional sense in the C/DM role make our entire midfield relax and play better.

But this debate will be irrelevant come the summer because the two positions where Juande will definitely strengthen are GK and CM.

 

[robin09]

People who agree with me!

TT and JJ are the best pairing we have available to us at the moment.

I've been saying for weeks that I cant understand why, after impressing against Man U and Arsenal, TT's been dropped.

He compliments JJ perfectly, by being everything JJ's not. The Ying and Yang central midfield, what have you done Juande!

 

[Rocksuperstar]

One poor game ??? Then that must have been the only game you have watched in the last 2 seasons.

:doh:

Is this thread referring to the way that Zokora played against PSV? Yes or no will be fine. If yes then, yes, one bad game - you want to set the parameters, you live by them. Zokora, in my opinion, before he went to the ANC was really, really finding his feet in our side looking far more convincing than he had up until that point. He was also a rock standing in at centre back - you want to include them, or do we not count them games?

Just because our whole team played shit on the day, you cannot single out one player as the main culprit simply because you've never rated him. That's lame.

Personally i still rate TT as our most versatile and dangerous midfielder, but only when he's used in the right capacity. Granted he can do a job pretty much anywhere on the pitch, but aside from that, Ramos was looking to play a flat four against a four with a holding midfielder - where would you have had Teemu in that situation? Waiting in front of the defence to intercept the single front man? That's five men to deal with their single striker. Or would you have pushed him up alongside JJ? Personally i think Teemu shines the most when he's given a free role to tear it up in the middle and it just so happens, praise cod, JJ has found his feet for a few games - don't mean to burst your bubble, but if we're talking shit for so long then JJ is your man.

Now he's learning that he's not all about attack and that his tracking back pace is an asset he can't ignore. With that in mind, against a team playing an attacking midfielder i still wonder if Ramos would've played with JJ in the holding role instead.

I dunno, but to write of Zoko is muggins.