which players are top 4 material ?

[ChRiStOpHe]

Sorry but have i missed something in this. Where is HUTTON coming from in all this? Have i missed some world class performance's from him?

Not saying he is a bad player but has he really played that well for us so for to be put in the same league as Berba and King?:shrug:

Apparently so. None in our shirt yet, but yeah, you must have missed a good few of them:

Scotland v Ukraine
Rangers v Stuttgart
Lyon v Rangers
Scotland v Italy

Just a few that instantly spring to mind. The fact that Fergie (reportedly) saw Hutton as Neville's long term replacement speaks volumes for how he's rated within the game.

 

[paul_1979yid]

Apparently so. None in our shirt yet, but yeah, you must have missed a good few of them:

Scotland v Ukraine
Rangers v Stuttgart
Lyon v Rangers
Scotland v Italy

Just a few that instantly spring to mind. The fact that Fergie (reportedly) saw Hutton as Neville's long term replacement speaks volumes for how he's rated within the game.

Well when he starts putting in those kind of performances for us maybe we can add him to this 'Top 4 List'
Thats 4 games out of how many in his carer?

 

[C0YS]

How many of our players are good enough to get us into the top 4 next season ? Looking at the ones who stand out as NOT good enough the following come to mind :

Cerny
Robbo
Chimonda
Lee
Rocha
Zokora
Bent

I have left in most of the young kids who may not be there yet but have undoubted potential:

Gunter
O hara
Kaboul

That leaves the following who are goodenough to form a nucleus of a CL team:

Hutton
Gunter
King
Dawson
Woodgate
Kaboul
Bale
Gilberto ( assuming we ever see him )
Lennon
Jenas
O'hara
Malbranque
Tainio
Hudd
Keane
Berbatov

I would say we still need 2 keepers , 1 central defender, 2 midfielders and 1 striker .7 players out and 6 players in.
Views ?

You are pritty much spot on, on the players who can stay in the squad, NOT first 11

 

[ChRiStOpHe]

Well when he starts putting in those kind of performances for us maybe we can add him to this 'Top 4 List'
Thats 4 games out of how many in his carer?

That wasn't every World class game he's every played. Just 4 off the top of my head :wink:

If you watched him more this year both domestically and Internationally, you'd find that most of Rangers attacking threat came from Hutton - playing from right-back! I can only think of a few full-backs, who in my time of watching football, have been so influential in their team. He also played a pretty big part in a few of Scotland's famous displays.

If were were signing Messi for example, and he had 4 good to average games for us in his first 4 games, you'd still class him as "Top 4 material", right? Well, for that reason alone, I think Hutton's performances throughout this season, no matter who they've been for, warrant his place in the category.

 

[paul_1979yid]

That wasn't every World class game he's every played. Just 4 off the top of my head :wink:

If you watched him more this year both domestically and Internationally, you'd find that most of Rangers attacking threat came from Hutton - playing from right-back! I can only think of a few full-backs, who in my time of watching football, have been so influential in their team. He also played a pretty big part in a few of Scotland's famous displays.

If were were signing Messi for example, and he had 4 good to average games for us in his first 4 games, you'd still class him as "Top 4 material", right? Well, for that reason alone, I think Hutton's performances throughout this season, no matter who they've been for, warrant his place in the category.

Yea i see your point.
But Messi may not be the best example. He has produced the goods with Barca in a tough league week in week out.The Scotish Prem league is not the strongest league in the world right?

But fair point i see what you are saying...:clap:

 

[C0YS]

Everyone but Jenas. He's never shown top4 quality and never will. Teams chasing titles wouldn't play him even if we gave him to them for free.

I think Jenas has pottential, but he is to inconsistent to be top 4 matterial..........

but if ramos adds consistency into Jenas then he could well be top 4. You have to remember hes been are best player for us in the last few months!

 

[C0YS]

Yea i see your point.
But Messi may not be the best example. He has produced the goods with Barca in a tough league week in week out.The Scotish Prem league is not the strongest league in the world right?

But fair point i see what you are saying...:clap:

well in the spanish news papers they did lable him the next Cafu :shrug:

 

[ChRiStOpHe]

Yea i see your point.
But Messi may not be the best example. He has produced the goods with Barca in a tough league week in week out.The Scotish Prem league is not the strongest league in the world right?

But fair point i see what you are saying...:clap:

Ta lad I think the thing that convinced me that Hutton could make it over here was the fact that some of his very best games came against good/top International teams (Ukraine, Italy) and top European sides (Lyon, Barcelona).

well in the spanish news papers they did lable him the next Cafu :shrug:

They do indeed.

I think Jenas has pottential, but he is to inconsistent to be top 4 matterial..........

but if ramos adds consistency into Jenas then he could well be top 4. You have to remember hes been are best player for us in the last few months!

To be honest, I think Ramos has added consistency to Jenas' game. That's why I think there'll be some serious interest in our Jermaine come the summer.

 

[sloth]

Some of you guys are simply not that bright. It's the only conclusion possible to reach when nonesense like "we need seven more" or get rid of everyone but Keane, Woodgate, King and Berbatov is spouted.

Not a clue!

Remind me where Villa finished last season?

Who did O'Neill buy again?

Marlon Harewood and Nigel Reo Coker...

They must be top four quality players musn't they!!!

Or is it that anyone who's got more than a couple of short planks to rub together knows that team building is about development. That snap-shots don't tell the story. And that every season chucking out half the squad is a sure fire way to mediocrity.

If we got no one in this summer I'd feel confident about challenging for the top four.

 

[C0YS]

Some of you guys are simply not that bright. It's the only conclusion possible to reach when nonesense like "we need seven more" or get rid of everyone but Keane, Woodgate, King and Berbatov is spouted.

Not a clue!

Remind me where Villa finished last season?

Who did O'Neill buy again?

Marlon Harewood and Nigel Reo Coker...

They must be top four quality players musn't they!!!

Or is it that anyone who's got more than a couple of short planks to rub together knows that team building is about development. That snap-shots don't tell the story. And that every season chucking out half the squad is a sure fire way to mediocrity.

If we got no one in this summer I'd feel confident about challenging for the top four.

well said :clap::clap::clap:, theirs a lot more then just the players to make a top 4 team, Infact one might argue by buying too many players you are effectivly unsetteling your team!!

 

[tRiKS]

You don't know any fans of the top four teams?

I know plenty and the few that would have a moan and doubt thier squads top 4 ability are a little bit small time who the rest are annoyed by.
My best mate is a Liverpool fan, after the FA humiliation he said " meh! we'll do Inter over two legs"

every player was better than every chelsea player last sunday so by a very base definition all would get in Chelseas team and they are a top 4 club. In reality though some would some wouldn't.

 

[knilly]

Some of you guys are simply not that bright. It's the only conclusion possible to reach when nonesense like "we need seven more" or get rid of everyone but Keane, Woodgate, King and Berbatov is spouted.

Not a clue!

Remind me where Villa finished last season?

Who did O'Neill buy again?

Marlon Harewood and Nigel Reo Coker...

They must be top four quality players musn't they!!!

Or is it that anyone who's got more than a couple of short planks to rub together knows that team building is about development. That snap-shots don't tell the story. And that every season chucking out half the squad is a sure fire way to mediocrity.

If we got no one in this summer I'd feel confident about challenging for the top four.

i agree with that. every transfer window we wheel and deal.

with the squad we have i honestly believe that we've got a squad that can push towards the top 4.

keep improving the players we've got and see where that gets us.

but then we are spurs.

 

[SpurSince57]

Perhaps we could try this game for the Top Four!

 

[yanno]

Some of you guys are simply not that bright. It's the only conclusion possible to reach when nonesense like "we need seven more" or get rid of everyone but Keane, Woodgate, King and Berbatov is spouted.

I think we need five top players to challenge for the EPL and CL - which is Ramos and Levy's ultimate ambition. And mine.

We need: a goalkeeper, a CB (because Ledley & Woodgate will always suffer injuries), a CM, a LM and, if available, a top striker who's good enough to compete with Berba and Keano.
Your point about teambuilding is fair enough. But I believe that currently Ramos has created a team out of the squad he inherited - plus Woodgate & Hutton. In the summer, Ramos will build his own team, and then remain loyal to the August 2008 version for at least two seasons.

 

[tRiKS]

Perhaps we could try this game for the Top Four!

indeed..

a liverpool fan on Scousecommunity is this very moment bemoaning the lack of players from Liverpool that would get in any of the BIG 2 teams.

Gerard, carra and Torres...

humm but would they???

 

[yanno]

Gerard, carra and Torres...

Carragher? :rofl:

Those scousers are so deluded. The only thing Carra'd be doing at a Top Two club is cleaning the boots...

 

[N10toN17]

Some of you guys are simply not that bright. It's the only conclusion possible to reach when nonesense like "we need seven more" or get rid of everyone but Keane, Woodgate, King and Berbatov is spouted.

Not a clue!

Remind me where Villa finished last season?

Who did O'Neill buy again?

Marlon Harewood and Nigel Reo Coker...

They must be top four quality players musn't they!!!

Or is it that anyone who's got more than a couple of short planks to rub together knows that team building is about development. That snap-shots don't tell the story. And that every season chucking out half the squad is a sure fire way to mediocrity.

If we got no one in this summer I'd feel confident about challenging for the top four.

That last sentence screams not a clue. :wink:

I think most people on here realise that massive wholesale changes are not likely and not a great idea if your trying to build something. Danny asked a specific question and many of us named 6, 7, or 8 players playing currently for Spurs who we regard as top four material, thats not to say other players in our side aren't very good players, and some may well become top,top players under Juande's guidence.

Ramos will definitely be buying players in the summer and I'm actually very surprised Sloth that you believe our current squad is capable of top four next year. You might have a slender chance if nobody else strengthened in the summer, but they will and so will we.

 

[paulspur]

Steed is good enough for uefa cup side tops. No better

 

[littleAaronlennon]

Personally i don't think the question asked is actually descisive enough in that the big four has a huge divide but people for one reason or another can't seem to see it. Because despite full credit going to Arsenal this season they've in my full opinion clearly over exceeded, as for Liverpool regardless of weather there supporters want to admit or not they are no nearer chellanging for the title then when Benitez first came to the club some four years ago. So the question asked doesn't give credence to any serious debate remember we are talking the top four here and not the title people.

Therefore in my opinion which of the current Tottenham players would seriously challange Liverpool for that fourth champions league slot and i would answer


we need a new goalie as that fat idiot clearly is not good enough;
Chimbonda yes
Hutton haven't seen enough of him in fact i still don't understand why we payed as much as we did to aquire his services in the first place.
Bale hopefully yes given time.
Huddlestone yeah i like him.
Woodgate/King definitley
Lennon compared to the likes of either Pennant or Wright Phillips what do you think.
Jenas people forget his already played in a champions league team so yes even though it depends on which camp your in.
Berbatov/Keane same answer as Woodgate and Ledley.
Malbranque i used to be one of his biggest critics but if he continues to play as he has under the Ramos reign you got to say yes.

But you see that's where the problem lies because after the first eleven i would say there's not many others i would say merit a place for a team chasing that top four berth however it's exactly the same for Liverpool i'll enjoy the replies people.

 

[fortworthspur]

for those that think Everton or Villa are examples of a top 4 club with 2nd tier players, I disagree. First, Liverpool is on a slide - so there's really a top 3 this year. Despite our results against Chelsea and Arsenal, the top 3 teams are an order of magnitude better than anyone else, largely due to the depth on their roster. So while Villa or Everton may flirt with a top 4 finish from time to time (we did too recently) they wont stay their without spending some cash. Liverpool may fall out longterm or rebound, but you're going to have to spend the money to keep up with ManU, Chelsea and Arsenal.