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What we need is leaders!

loaderspurs

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First off, just to say I'm Delighted with Poch and here's to a season of excitement and optimism!

Now that's done, we can look at the playing staff and what may happen this summer. A big concern for me last season was that we were completely bereft of any leaders either on the pitch, or in the changing room, and this needs to change. We have been lucky to see some great characters come through the club, players who have helped marshall those who need it in the tough times, and give a kick up the arse to others, the likes of king, gallas, Parker, Davids, etc. the problem I see is we have very few of these players now, and that is attributable to our collapses imo. The only ones I see who have these characteristics are Dawson and kaboul, (who people are saying we should sell this summer!) and possibly Walker.

I am vehemently against selling Dawson, yes he is slow on the turn, yes I tire of seeing him lump his 60 yard passes, but he is the club captain, a born leader and has shown he wants to fight for it by staying last summer. He doesn't have to be a starter, but he can still do a job, both in the changing room and on the pitch against the likes of west ham and stoke. I also wouldn't be averse to getting someone like Ferdinand warranting the salary isn't obscene. He is a born winner and leader, and would be great to have in and around the club, maybe even looking to put him on coaching courses?

So I pose to you, in our transfers this summer should we be looking to bring in 1 or 2 players who can lead this squad if ours which undoubtedly has ability, but lacks the drive to do anything with it? Or should we just be looking at improving the squad ability, which imo works fine on Fifa, less so in the real world.
 

danielneeds

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The Dawson as a leader thing doesn't cut it for me. He's been a liability on the pitch for the last 12 months, nobody in the dressing room can respect someone playing so poorly. When he came on at Anfield and put Suarez through wiith his first touch just about sums it up for me.
 

loaderspurs

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The Dawson as a leader thing doesn't cut it for me. He's been a liability on the pitch for the last 12 months, nobody in the dressing room can respect someone playing so poorly. When he came on at Anfield and put Suarez through wiith his first touch just about sums it up for me.
My point is if we sell him, we absolutely must bring someone who can lead in to replace him, not just on the pitch but as a voice as well. Yes Dawson has made errors, but our whole backline has been littered with mistakes all season. He is the only one I see getting called out for it. IMO, he'd be much more reliable in a confident back 4, which we just haven't had this year.
 

dk-yid

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Agree on the need for leaders. We need players who can lead on the pitch though which is why neither Kaboul or Dawson are much help.
 

Black

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We don't need leaders, we need players with passion and character players who are willing to give 100% every game.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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As has been pointed out numerous times, many of our players are captains for their countries or have been for their previous clubs. So I don't think we lack leaders.

I am certainly not in favour of signing some over the hill ex-England international on the premise they might have sway in the changing room. Especially if they can't contribute on the pitch to a high standard any longer.

I feel if the players fully buy-in to the managers ethos then natural leaders will come to the fore.
 

SandroClegane

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Is Daws actually a leader though? I've seen nothing over the last year to show that he had what it takes to motivate the team. Nor do I think anyone on the team would be rallied to do well by Daws.
 

danielneeds

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Is Daws actually a leader though? I've seen nothing over the last year to show that he had what it takes to motivate the team. Nor do I think anyone on the team would be rallied to do well by Daws.
Yeah, he's obviously a lovely guy but he shows no ability to marshal the troops on the pitch.
 

Geyzer Soze

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Dawson = Captain of Tottenham
Lloris = Captian of France
Chiriches = Captain of Romania
Verts = ex Captain of Ajax
Adebayor = Togo captain
Sandro = ex Captain of Brazil Under 20
Kaboul = ex France under 21 Captain
Khumalo = Captain of South Africa (but maybe he has gone now, and anyway i don't think that he has ever pulled on a Spurs shirt)

and I am sure that i have missed a few. Brad Friedel for eg, not sure he's ever Captained, but he is certainly a leader.

Are you sure that it is not a question of too many Chiefs and not enough Indians?
 

Mullers

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Dawson = Captain of Tottenham
Lloris = Captian of France
Chiriches = Captain of Romania
Verts = ex Captain of Ajax
Adebayor = Togo captain
Sandro = ex Captain of Brazil Under 20
Kaboul = ex France under 21 Captain
Khumalo = Captain of South Africa (but maybe he has gone now, and anyway i don't think that he has ever pulled on a Spurs shirt)

and I am sure that i have missed a few. Brad Friedel for eg, not sure he's ever Captained, but he is certainly a leader.

Are you sure that it is not a question of too many Chiefs and not enough Indians?
They are all captains but how many of them are good ones? I certainly wouldn't say someone who is in a wall and runs away when the ball is about to hit him and blames the other person when the ball goes through the gap, a good captain.
 

Ledleys Knee

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Individual/charismatic leadership is a very outdated model.

Collective/distributive leadership is where it's at now.

I don't think we should even have a captain. 11 captains under the direction of the coach.
 

dondo

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Dawson = Captain of Tottenham
Lloris = Captian of France
Chiriches = Captain of Romania
Verts = ex Captain of Ajax
Adebayor = Togo captain
Sandro = ex Captain of Brazil Under 20
Kaboul = ex France under 21 Captain
Khumalo = Captain of South Africa (but maybe he has gone now, and anyway i don't think that he has ever pulled on a Spurs shirt)

and I am sure that i have missed a few. Brad Friedel for eg, not sure he's ever Captained, but he is certainly a leader.

Are you sure that it is not a question of too many Chiefs and not enough Indians?


Out of that list I would argue only daws kaboul and sandro have shown any leadership on the pitch for us
 

Yid-ol

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Jan 16, 2006
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Ledley was a great player but I never thought he was captain material tbh

We have enough players who can lead, we don't have enough players who will be followed. King is one that could tell players what they had to do as well as the respect of the players to do as he said.

You don't have to be loud to be a captain/leader.
 

Japhet

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We've certainly missed the input of players like Gallas, Parker and Van Der Vaart. Our only real talisman this season was Adebayor who only turns up when he feels like it. I hope to see Vertonghen and Capoue get into it a whole lot more next season.
 

Geyzer Soze

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Out of that list I would argue only daws kaboul and sandro have shown any leadership on the pitch for us
Lloris I think. Although he's a goalie, & I'm not a fan of goalie captains, and he's French and all... I think he's the man
 

dondo

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We have enough players who can lead, we don't have enough players who will be followed. King is one that could tell players what they had to do as well as the respect of the players to do as he said.

You don't have to be loud to be a captain/leader.

I think it does help to be loud on the pitch, to constantly organise and talk to your fellow players to help them through if and when they need it. I dont think king did or most of our players do this.
perfect example for me is lloris. He is our best player, captain of his national team and been here for a 2 years now surely the players would respect him enough if he was to organise the defence and be more vocal and act like a leader, but does he? Not in the slightest
 
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